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The Macs will get better next year , so will the team. I beleive Roos has got the mix of players right.We still could do with a CHF and a CHB. Another backup ruckman/forward would be nice. 

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Gaining Hurley (which I think is remote) without losing Tom would be massive. But simply swapping one for the other is minimal advancement.

Hopefully Weideman or Hulett will eventually fill the CHF role.

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5 hours ago, johndemons said:

 

I'm inclined to think we're trading like for like on this matter. Vickery and Houli have more currency across the AFL than Dawes, Garland and Trengove which shows you it's not a step backwards. They're not getting what they want out of their players and we're not getting what we want out of ours. Considering our players have no real currency than it would be advantageous to swap them for some players to see if our club CLICKS with Vickery and Houli's style of play and if our players work for them. How are we losing anything or taking a step backwards? Vickery isn't going to infect our club if he tries his [censored] act, i think we will clean him up if anything and Houli's run out of defence and leadership attributes would be beneficial for the club I think. He had a great season last year.

If Garland fits into what they want, maybe something can be done in terms of his contract with Melbourne in the next 2 years. And as for Dawes the 500k man? He'd be better served over at Richmond as he is the only player that might have currency with them and Trengove they showed interest, so perhaps we could have an instant KPF/Ruck for a few years, it would be way more valuable that what Dawes is contributing right now.

There are a few positions in my opinion that are available after this years draft. We should be delisting more than previous years and so it will be an opportunity to try out another clubs discards and the other club trying out ours.

 

I didn't see Hawthorn leaving a spot empty or draft a young kid in their list instead of taking Jack Fitzpatrick

 

 

4 hours ago, mauriesy said:

Putting an old horse in a different paddock still makes it an old horse.

 

4 hours ago, johndemons said:

Cross played the first eight games of 2013 before being dropped from the senior side,[9] where he played for the Bulldogs reserves side,Williamstown, before earning a recall in round 19 against Sydney. In the week leading to the final round clash with Melbourne, it was announced the Bulldogs would not renew Cross' contract, ending his 11-year playing career with the club,[10] 

You can't compare Cross to Vickery or Houli...

Cross was and still is a leader, someone you look up to for getting every ounce of talent plus more out of himself. He didn't leave anything on the track and he still pushes the boys at training.

Compare that to Vickery, one of the dumbest, laziest players in the competition and Houli an outside runner at best. No comparison.

As for trading our discards for theirs

...we're not running a trash and treasure place here...

 

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41 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

Gaining Hurley (which I think is remote) without losing Tom would be massive. But simply swapping one for the other is minimal advancement.

Hopefully Weideman or Hulett will eventually fill the CHF role.

Hogan will be CHF and Weed FF.

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On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 10:57 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Swap MFC 3rd round Pick #46 to GWS for either: 

Jake Barrett. Barrett is tough, skilled, wins clearances, great tackler, only 20. 

Not able to crack Giants midfield due to talented group of Shiel, Greene, Hopper, Ward, Scully, Coniglio, Kelly, Griffen.

Or

James Stewart. 198cms. Versatile tall forward behind Cameron, Patton, Lobb. More tall forwards on Giants incoming group.  Stewart is 22, from Sandringham and would be a very addition ruck, forward or tall back option.

 

Swap MFC 3rd round Pick #46 to GWS for Jake Barrett.

Another BOG 40 possessions game last weekend. Barrett would be a huge addition to the Dees midfield. He is super talented.

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Lachlan Hansen of North? Don't know if it has been mentioned, and obviously out of favour and form at North. Was a strong defender a few years back, ahead of Robbie Tarrant. Don't really know how he has played this year, but thought it was worth a mention on the cheap.

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On 29 July 2016 at 10:29 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Swap MFC 3rd round Pick #46 to GWS for Jake Barrett.

Another BOG 40 possessions game last weekend. Barrett would be a huge addition to the Dees midfield. He is super talented.

sounds interesting, finds the ball a lot, tackles and draft combine results suggest that he has both good pace & stamina. Anyone on the board seen much of him live this year?

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Does Barrett play predominantly inside or outside?

 

What's his pace like?

 

Whilst he goes well at a weak league, what special tricks does he have to help him push thru at AFL legs? 

 

We we have a heap of players dominating at vfl level who are probably not quite good enough for AFL, so what makes Barrett able to go from neafl to AFL?

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Max Gawn said on Thursday night at the Bentleigh  Club that he understood we were looking at two Essendon players. I wonder who they could be?

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Fair bit of news floating around in the media about Hibberd right now. Just got told minor details about his situation. We are offering him 4 years, not sure of the money. Essendon only offering him 2 (on top of the 1 year he has left on his contract), so effectively 3. If Essendon want him, all they need to do is offer one more year, if not Hibberd should (and would be stupid not to) take our deal. Is it wise offering 4? Not sure. But if thats what it takes to get the deal over the line, and we aren't paying him overs, i'm all for it. 

One of my last posts was saying that i'd been told he would re-commit to Esendon. This is still possible, due to his will to stay at Essendon with his mates. But money may sway him over our way, just like in many other cases. Let me re-iterate we will have to trade for him.

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Braysure, it sounds like he doesnt really want to come and is using us as a bargaining chip!  Don't like it at all!  Tell him to stay put!

Like it less if DA is right about 2017 1st rnd.

Can't imagine Mahoney, Taylor and Viney will let that happen, regardless of the mateship between Goodwin and Hibbered.

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There is no way he is worth a first round pick in any year.  Let alone a gamble pick based on where we finish at the end of next year.  What happens if we lose 3-4 critical players for half a season next year and finish bottom 4.  Hibberd for pick 4. That's fanciful. Even if we manage to finish top 8 he isn't worth a pick around 10-12.  

If Josh Mahoney agrees to that he should be marched out of the club.  He is a second round pick at best.  This year it will be low 20's which I still think is too high.  

He is a one-sided half back with good (not amazing) skills that hasn't played a game in 12 months.  Who knows what condition he will come back in?  

Anything better than around pick 25 is too much, he can stay at Essendon. He is a slightly better player than Melksham and it was widely agreed that we paid 'overs' for him.  If that's the case we can pay unders for Hibberd. 

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On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 0:55 PM, Theo said:

Max Gawn said on Thursday night at the Bentleigh  Club that he understood we were looking at two Essendon players. I wonder who they could be?

Hurley and Hibberd?

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Would hate to see a 2017 first rounder put on the table. Personally I think he is worth somewhere between 25-35. Previous to the 12 going overseas they all trained together (plus crameri, melksham) for a good 2 or so months or so. They would all be in good knick and when showing up to preseason training there will be players in worse shape. Not playing the game for a whole season is a worry.. although I guess it isn't any different to a player doing an ACL early in the year and missing the year, eg. Libba last year.. he has played great footy this year. 

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Not worth a 1st round pick at all. 

Particularly if he really doesn't want to move. 

Chris Heffernan ring a bell

No Sir....i just don't like it

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42 minutes ago, braysure said:

Fair bit of news floating around in the media about Hibberd right now. Just got told minor details about his situation. We are offering him 4 years, not sure of the money. Essendon only offering him 2 (on top of the 1 year he has left on his contract), so effectively 3. If Essendon want him, all they need to do is offer one more year, if not Hibberd should (and would be stupid not to) take our deal. Is it wise offering 4? Not sure. But if thats what it takes to get the deal over the line, and we aren't paying him overs, i'm all for it. 

One of my last posts was saying that i'd been told he would re-commit to Esendon. This is still possible, due to his will to stay at Essendon with his mates. But money may sway him over our way, just like in many other cases. Let me re-iterate we will have to trade for him.

If that's Hibberd's motivation, I hope he stays at the Bombers. He's not that important a player to warrant a 4 year deal, as neither was Melksham.

Hurley on the other hand is a different kettle of fish. I'd throw the kitchen sink at him.

For Roos' entire tenure, the club has been spruiking about landing a big fish, and failed. This year is looking no different.

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On 31/07/2016 at 0:55 PM, Theo said:

Max Gawn said on Thursday night at the Bentleigh  Club that he understood we were looking at two Essendon players. I wonder who they could be?

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I suspect this is somewhat fanciful - it would cost us an arm and a leg for starters ...

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On 8/2/2016 at 10:30 PM, Whispering_Jack said:

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I suspect this is somewhat fanciful - it would cost us an arm and a leg for starters ...

2017 first rounder and 2016 second rounder plus a player i'd say not sure which player but it would be a massive deal if it happened

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30 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

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I suspect this is somewhat fanciful - it would cost us an arm and a leg for starters ...

 

WJ, time to open the draft and trade board    :ph34r:

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This would be a massive trade in so many more ways than just Free Enterprise, and Restraint of Trade at work in the AFL. Unity in Strength, and are these blokes taking on the System. The mind boggles.....

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We already have quite a rivalry with the Druggies and this would only increase it. Good for the game, IMO. ;)

Imagine our game against them next year. Three of their former players; their only win for 2016 coming against us; they'd be aiming for the 8; we'd be aiming for the 8. If these two trades eventuate, this has Friday night blockbuster written all over it.

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7 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

We already have quite a rivalry with the Druggies and this would only increase it. Good for the game, IMO. ;)

Imagine our game against them next year. Three of their former players; their only win for 2016 coming against us; they'd be aiming for the 8; we'd be aiming for the 8. If these two trades eventuate, this has Friday night blockbuster written all over it.

Bout time it was a home game too..

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