Training for head high contact

[BAMF 4,351]

Brad Scott is training his players to draw head high contact.

http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/north-melbourne-trains-methods-to-encourage-head-high-contact-in-tackles/news-story/d3259b0f1e45f667c8a6b165155f624d

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/north-melbourne-coach-brad-scott-says-his-players-are-taught-methods-to-encourage-head-high-contact/news-story/abb9eac090239020fd1fd69e55d7203b

This makes me so angry.

[Phadraig 760]

I would be suprised if not every club was.

[M_9 2,082]

25 minutes ago, Rafiki said:

I would be suprised if not every club was.

Well if we're coaching it, Clarry ism't paying attention.

[BAMF 4,351]

32 minutes ago, Rafiki said:

I would be suprised if not every club was.

Are we? It's hard to remain objective with your own team.

I saw Vince get a cheap free a few weeks ago. Jetta try's to slip out of tackles and gets the odd one thats a bit soft because of it, but I would never say he is trying to draw the free.

With concusion such a big issue recenty, surely something must be done.

[Kumamoto_Ken 1,531]

59 minutes ago, Night Crawler said:

Brad Scott is training his players to draw head high contact.

If the B&F is even partially about following coaching instruction we can pencil Linz in now.

PS. Those Scott boys are real [censored].

 

[P-man 13,366]

It's difficult to know whether Scott is saying it in order to spur the AFL into action. It's a brazen admission in either case.

Surely the AFL attempts to arrest this issue now before it becomes even more widespread. Training to draw high tackles coupled with the top handful players in the league for drawing high tackles being first or second year players are major signs that this is getting out of hand fast.

[Lord Travis 10,729]

It's the worst thing I can remember seeing on the field. It goes against everything our great game is meant to be. This knee dropping arm raising rubbish needs to be stamped down on asap.

Serial offenders should be suspended and shamed. Weak sacks of sh*t. 

[Gipsy Danger 1,067]

8 minutes ago, Kumamoto_Ken said:

If the B&F is even partially about following coaching instruction we can pencil Linz in now.

PS. Those Scott boys are real [censored].

 

Go to the stat sheets.  Thomas has won just 4 free kicks for high tackles for the entire season thus far.  I'm no fan of his but he is unfairly the face of is "issue"

footballers have alway been taught to get their arms and the ball up when tackled. If the tackle comes low, your arms are still free to dispose the footy. If the tackle is high you'll get the free.  was taught that as early as under 14's.

Clayton Oliver and Jack Viney do it every time. Only difference is they don't drop the knees like Selwood.

the real problem is players these days are too sloppy in their tackles. They just lunge at the ball carrier with no thought or technique.  They don't pin the arms or wrap up the hips.

a rule change is not the answer or even the problem. The answer is better tackling techniques.

[P-man 13,366]

31 minutes ago, Hellfish said:

Go to the stat sheets.  Thomas has won just 4 free kicks for high tackles for the entire season thus far.  I'm no fan of his but he is unfairly the face of is "issue"

footballers have alway been taught to get their arms and the ball up when tackled. If the tackle comes low, your arms are still free to dispose the footy. If the tackle is high you'll get the free.  was taught that as early as under 14's.

Clayton Oliver and Jack Viney do it every time. Only difference is they don't drop the knees like Selwood.

the real problem is players these days are too sloppy in their tackles. They just lunge at the ball carrier with no thought or technique.  They don't pin the arms or wrap up the hips.

a rule change is not the answer or even the problem. The answer is better tackling techniques.

The onus on the tackler has swung too far. The onus on the player with the ball not to create a free kick through deceptive means should be just as great if not greater.

I don't see how an action like Thomas' who backs into a player, drapes the arm around the shoulder and pins it there can be defended. It doesn't even need to be punished per se. But at the absolute least, if the umpire spots it, it should be play on.

This is a ticking time bomb in so many respects. Potential injuries aside, there aren't many things that genuinely contravene the spirit of the game but this is one. It needs to be addressed.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,048]

We have a couple of players who play for head-high frees as well.  Ben Kennedy in particular is very good at turning back into the tackler and ducking his shoulder. 

[Gorgoroth 12,950]

I agree with Dermie. It needs to change. But that second free where Thomas had a clear out but he went backwards into the tackle to get a free is a disgrace.

[JTR 2,846]

10 hours ago, Hellfish said:

Go to the stat sheets.  Thomas has won just 4 free kicks for high tackles for the entire season thus far.  I'm no fan of his but he is unfairly the face of is "issue"

footballers have alway been taught to get their arms and the ball up when tackled. If the tackle comes low, your arms are still free to dispose the footy. If the tackle is high you'll get the free.  was taught that as early as under 14's.

Clayton Oliver and Jack Viney do it every time. Only difference is they don't drop the knees like Selwood.

the real problem is players these days are too sloppy in their tackles. They just lunge at the ball carrier with no thought or technique.  They don't pin the arms or wrap up the hips.

a rule change is not the answer or even the problem. The answer is better tackling techniques.

It is frustrating that this is the counter argument that Scott and the media lemmings are throwing out there in defense of this little grub.

Thomas drops like he has been shot in almost every tackle. Watch him.

Just because the umpires for the most part are aware of it and only 4 have managed to be sucked in all season doesn't mean he is not one of, if not THE best exponents of this 'skill'

 

[ArtificialWisdom 4,045]

12 hours ago, Night Crawler said:

Are we? It's hard to remain objective with your own team.

I saw Vince get a cheap free a few weeks ago. Jetta try's to slip out of tackles and gets the odd one thats a bit soft because of it, but I would never say he is trying to draw the free.

With concusion such a big issue recenty, surely something must be done.

I think Jetta's technique should be the one all players addopt. Its the same as Selwoods he gets low and attempts to shrug the tackle, as far as im conserned this is good smart play. He does it in a way that either allows him to get a free kick or get away. Viney does it too but he ducks his head a little so doesnt get many frees as a result, needs to keep his head up and his count will jump up. 

The problem I have with Mathieson, Christensen, Mclean and co is that they dont attempt to shrug the tackle.  They just grip the ball tight with 1 arm and use the other to drag the tackler's arm up onto their head. I think that arm wrap action should be treated as prior oppertunity because they could be using that arm to dispose of the ball rather than trying to get a free kick. 

[daisycutter 29,613]

Just now, ArtificialWisdom said:

I think Jetta's technique should be the one all players addopt. Its the same as Selwoods he gets low and attempts to shrug the tackle, as far as im conserned this is good smart play. He does it in a way that either allows him to get a free kick or get away. Viney does it too but he ducks his head a little so doesnt get many frees as a result, needs to keep his head up and his count will jump up. 

The problem I have with Mathieson, Christensen, Mclean and co is that they dont attempt to shrug the tackle.  They just grip the ball tight with 1 arm and use the other to drag the tackler's arm up onto their head. I think that arm wrap action should be treated as prior oppertunity because they could be using that arm to dispose of the ball rather than trying to get a free kick. 

yes, this is the point i've made previously

if you are trying to EVADE or BREAK the tackle this is different to just trying to DRAW  and COMPROMISE the tackle for a free

the difficulty for the ump is trying to make this judgement in a split second when the tackle is obviously above the shoulder

a few years back there were a lot of frees for in the back where tacklers tackled the player from behind and took them to ground. players soon became expert in buckling the knees and exaggerating the forward fall. this is rarely paid now because the ump is more aware of playing for the free, plus tackling players make more attempt to roll the player sideways. so, even though it is difficult for the umps, if they are more alert and aware to it and caution players more it might have the desired effect over time of stopping players training for and executing this technique

[ArtificialWisdom 4,045]

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

yes, this is the point i've made previously

if you are trying to EVADE or BREAK the tackle this is different to just trying to DRAW  and COMPROMISE the tackle for a free

the difficulty for the ump is trying to make this judgement in a split second when the tackle is obviously above the shoulder

a few years back there were a lot of frees for in the back where tacklers tackled the player from behind and took them to ground. players soon became expert in buckling the knees and exaggerating the forward fall. this is rarely paid now because the ump is more aware of playing for the free, plus tackling players make more attempt to roll the player sideways. so, even though it is difficult for the umps, if they are more alert and aware to it and caution players more it might have the desired effect over time of stopping players training for and executing this technique

I think the high raised arm is an easy enough trigger, I saw the matheison one in the 4th qtr of the brissy game from the other side of the MCG, same with the one on the memberswing when he wrapped the arm then pushed right back. Surely the umpire could see the raised arm too. Just ignore those ones and i'll be content.  Failing that, a new tackling technique in order to dislocate sholders when the arm is raised in such a vaulnerable position should discourage it quick smart!

[WERRIDEE 5,478]

2 hours ago, JTR said:

It is frustrating that this is the counter argument that Scott and the media lemmings are throwing out there in defense of this little grub.

Thomas drops like he has been shot in almost every tackle. Watch him.

Just because the umpires for the most part are aware of it and only 4 have managed to be sucked in all season doesn't mean he is not one of, if not THE best exponents of this 'skill'

 

This is the easiest thing to coach out of players. Just go for the hips, everyone wants to grab the arm because it's a certain holding the ball if you can grab that arm. Whelan was a great tackler and nearly always went for the hips.

Why are people attacking Thomas while the inventor of dropping the knees the real grub Selwood gets off scot free? Looks like racism to me.

No surprise that North and Geelong are leading the way in this tactic they are the dodgy brothers after all.

[Fork 'em 6,983]

Those Scott brothers are just , so ....  Distasteful.
And always have been.

[nutbean 8,838]

I asked this question a few weeks ago - do coaches coach drawing high tackles  - and it appears my question has been answered.

My problem is that there has been such a push to protect the head at all costs and coaches are now coaching a technique that makes head more vulnerable to contact ???

[daisycutter 29,613]

1 hour ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

I think the high raised arm is an easy enough trigger, I saw the matheison one in the 4th qtr of the brissy game from the other side of the MCG, same with the one on the memberswing when he wrapped the arm then pushed right back. Surely the umpire could see the raised arm too. Just ignore those ones and i'll be content.  Failing that, a new tackling technique in order to dislocate sholders when the arm is raised in such a vaulnerable position should discourage it quick smart!

it's also the deliberate leaning into the tackle and turning your back to the tackler. Saw both mathieson and thomas do that. shows an intent to milk it.

[JTR 2,846]

48 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

This is the easiest thing to coach out of players. Just go for the hips, everyone wants to grab the arm because it's a certain holding the ball if you can grab that arm. Whelan was a great tackler and nearly always went for the hips.

Why are people attacking Thomas while the inventor of dropping the knees the real grub Selwood gets off scot free? Looks like racism to me.

No surprise that North and Geelong are leading the way in this tactic they are the dodgy brothers after all.

Maybe ask the Sydney crowd who were booing Thomas the entire match. Surely if any crowd should stand as the moral compass of what is and is not acceptable to boo it would be them? 

I'd say they were booing because he was playing like a [censored].

(like Goodes)

[stuie 7,374]

59 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Why are people attacking Thomas while the inventor of dropping the knees the real grub Selwood gets off scot free? Looks like racism to me.

 

7 minutes ago, JTR said:

Maybe ask the Sydney crowd who were booing Thomas the entire match. Surely if any crowd should stand as the moral compass of what is and is not acceptable to boo it would be them? 

I'd say they were booing because he was playing like a [censored].

(like Goodes)

Clearly you both live in the Herald Sun/Andrew Bolt "everything is black and white" world. Pathetic comments.

 

[jnrmac 20,060]

2 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

This is the easiest thing to coach out of players. Just go for the hips, everyone wants to grab the arm because it's a certain holding the ball if you can grab that arm. Whelan was a great tackler and nearly always went for the hips.

Why are people attacking Thomas while the inventor of dropping the knees the real grub Selwood gets off scot free? Looks like racism to me.

No surprise that North and Geelong are leading the way in this tactic they are the dodgy brothers after all.

Good grief. You pathetic grub. Lots of people get slammed for it. Luke Shuey for starters.

 

 

[JTR 2,846]

4 hours ago, stuie said:

 

Clearly you both live in the Herald Sun/Andrew Bolt "everything is black and white" world. Pathetic comments.

 

Sorry stuie, I must have missed the part where the Sydney crowd was booing Thomas before he conned the umpire into paying the head high free....

Feel free to point it out.

[stuie 7,374]

1 hour ago, JTR said:

Sorry stuie, I must have missed the part where the Sydney crowd was booing Thomas before he conned the umpire into paying the head high free....

Feel free to point it out.

It's your Goodes comment that is pathetic, don't try and point things elsewhere.

 

[WERRIDEE 5,478]

On ‎1‎/‎06‎/‎2016 at 1:37 PM, jnrmac said:

On ‎1‎/‎06‎/‎2016 at 1:37 PM, jnrmac said:

Good grief. You pathetic grub. Lots of people get slammed for it. Luke Shuey for starters.

 

 

Liar