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The youngest most inexperienced side


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19 hours ago, Elwood 3184 said:

Of course Melksham was already on the list.

Melksham might have been on the list but never played a game. The youngest side reflects who plays that week, of which Melbourne was the youngest side for 14 rounds. 

Adding 260 games, 114 games and 90 games will have a difference to the average. 

The last game of the year vs Geelong our average games was 69 games. I presume this will bump up to 80 with these inclusions. 

 

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On Mon Apr 10 2017 at 5:21 AM, bandicoot said:

Round 3:

average age - 23 years 10 months

average games - 67

With Brisbane the youngest and most inexperienced side for round 3.

inconsistency will likely be the theme this year 

 

Important to remember 

Even quarter by quarter

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Sorry to be the barer of bad (maybe long term good) news here but the more I kept thinking about our performances this year, this kept coming into my head - are we still incredibly young and we are expecting a top 4 side from a bottom 4 experience? 

Rd 5 - 80.5 Games, 24yr 6m, 16 players under 100 games v 104.2, 25y 11m, 13 players 

Rd 4 - 91.5, 25y 1m, 15 players v 107, 26y 1m, 10 players 

Rd 3 - 93.1, 25y 2m, 15 players v 94, 25y 4m, 14 players 

Rd 2 - 92.4, 25y 5m, 15 players v 77.1, 24y 1m, 15 players

Rd 1 - 84.1, 25y 5m, 15 players v 92.6, 25y 3m, 13 players

We were younger and more inexperienced that every side bar Brisbane we have played this year. This round, Carlton and WB played 17 players under 100 games to our 16. Round 4 WB and Carl (17) v 15. If you look at the experience each week we are putting out, we are more similar to Collingwood, St Kilda, Brisbane, than we are to GWS, Rich, Haw. 

But these are some of the names who are our under 100 game players who are also under 25: Hogan, Salem, Tyson, Hunt, Trac, Brayshaw, OMac, Lever, ANB, Frost, Oliver, Weiderman, Harmes, Stretch, Hannan and of course Viney when he comes back. These are players who many of them will play 10 years for the red and the blue and that average games will go to 100 by the end of the year and if (when) we make finals, we should have a team much closer to competing than the one that has dished out the last 2 efforts. 15 games is a long time in football. 

What pleases me about all of this is that for most of the top 8 teams, players are going to come in and out and the average games doesnt move much between Rd 1 and Rd 22 as they bring in debutant etc. Last year 

Round 1 - 74.6 games, 23y 10 months, 11 players under 50, 3 50-100 v Round 23 - 97.9, 25y 1m, 2 players under 50, 10 50-100. 19 players who played in Round 1 played in Round 23. 16 from round 1 2017 played on Tuesday and Viney, McDonald, Lewis, and Hannan are all a good chance to come back in (who played in that game). Watts is gone and Joel Smith is still developing. 

We have a stable team who have shown they can match it with the best, we just need to give them the time to develop that we gave our last guard. I know its been a long time coming, but for this group it hasnt. It's only been 4 years. They are allowed to still grow this year. 

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I think the issue is more about the quality of the older experienced guys - who boost up the average. Jones, Jetta and Hibberd would probably get games with the better teams, but I doubt Vince, Lewis, Pedo, and maybe even Garlett would. Compare this to Sydney, Richmond, Geelong and their oldest players are champions. More clearly for us than perhaps anyone else besides Carlton and Brisbane, our best players (or potential champions) are less 23.

having said all that I’m sick of bloody waiting like everyone else!

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Kids will only play well based on the others around them.

Richmond have a core group of very good experienced leaders topped up with young talent.

Not quite the same situation as is right now.

Oir game winners jave played less then 100 games and the others are injured.

Im not using it as an excuse as a team we've been shown up the past couple of weeks.

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This is NOT why we're playing like shlt.

The style and nature of instruction is.

 

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Expert on board.

You should offer you're wll knowing services to club. Bb

From the..im not using this as an excuse....but im using it as an excuse. 

Other sides with similar ages playing far better. Wonder why . Actually ..I dont.

Our coaching, skills and plan is rubbish.

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Kids will only play well based on the others around them.

Richmond have a core group of very good experienced leaders topped up with young talent.

Not quite the same situation as is right now.

Oir game winners jave played less then 100 games and the others are injured.

Im not using it as an excuse as a team we've been shown up the past couple of weeks.

Look out

Expert on board

 You should offer you're wll knowing services to club. Uh

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From the..im not using this as an excuse....but im using it as an excuse. 

Other sides with similar ages playing far better. Wonder why . Actually ..I dont.

Our coaching, skills and plan is rubbish.

Hahaha

Blind freddy can make your comments on our form.

Sorry for having a discussion you disapprove of.

 

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Expert on board

 You should offer you're wll knowing services to club. Uh

Is experience not a factor in execution of a game style/plan.

Sorry ill just conform to your standards and complain and talk utter rubbish from now on...

But thanks for finally replaying to one of my posts @america de cali

Ive missed u

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Is experience not a factor in execution of a game style/plan.

Sorry ill just conform to your standards and complain and talk utter rubbish from now on...

But thanks for finally replaying to one of my posts @america de cali

Ive missed u

That’s half the issue as well, Vince, Jones and Lewis can’t execute anything. All good and well to rack up cheap stats but they’re meaningless most of the time. Bring back Daniel Cross

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That’s half the issue as well, Vince, Jones and Lewis can’t execute anything. All good and well to rack up cheap stats but they’re meaningless most of the time. Bring back Daniel Cross

Cant argue with that.

But the three you've mentioned are not the majority of the dynamic of the team.

The majority have played less then 100 games.

Are you saying those 3 should be able to carry the side?

The question were asking/discussing here is how long until these guys under 100 games click?

And when do Hogan, Oliver brayshaw and tracc become regular game winners?

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Hahaha

Blind freddy can make your comments on our form.

Sorry for having a discussion you disapprove of.

 

Really. You're an apologist for poor form. Im happy to discuss. YOU want to make snide remarks towards the postet.

Its hardly disapproval is it. Some one disagreeing with your pet subject and YOU get all narky.

The idea that age is the blame is ironically..ageist.

Its in reality their education ( football ) and environment.

But happy not to discuss.

There are pros and and cons to youth. To trot it out as that old chestnut...' this is why we're rubbish ' 

Its more the quality of any abilities, both the student and the teacher.

Id say our 'curirculim' and school far more the reason.

( Btw.. thats called discusion ) try it..

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Really. You're an apologist for poor form. Im happy to discuss. YOU want to make snide remarks towards the postet.

Its hardly disapproval is it. Some one disagreeing with your pet subject and YOU get all narky.

The idea that age is the blame is ironically..ageist.

Its in reality their education ( football ) and environment.

But happy not to discuss.

There are pros and and cons to youth. To trot it out as that old chestnut...' this is why we're rubbish ' 

Its more the quality of any abilities, both the student and the teacher.

Id say our 'curirculim' and school far more the reason.

( Btw.. thats called discusion ) try it..

Im too young to join the old man complaints club. 

Sorry bb

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Age is a bulldust excuse except for maybe tiring late in the season.

I think youll find blokes like malthouse and roos disagree with you.

But you cant beat a demonland expert

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I think youll find blokes like malthouse and roos disagree with you.

But you cant beat a demonland expert

Dunno... you're beating yourself rather well.

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3 hours ago, deebug said:

Jones, Vince and Lewis is not working. I get the club want's to have experience in the side but i think we need to start to give some of the guys like Spargo, Balic games and see if they can play AFL.

 

I think this as well. Jones obviously stays and whilst he has limitations he is still a good player and would be in any teams best 22. Lewis and Vince are good no doubt and are in our best 22, but at what expense? We’ve taken them out of the centre bounce, they aren’t playing forward - we’ve now got them behind the ball playing the same role we want Hibbard, Hunt, Lever and maybe Wagner to play. There was even a time last year where Jets was being criticised for not giving enough drive. 

 

I love what both of them have done for the club and OMac’s development I attribute a lot to Lewis - but is 2 too many? 

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4 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Age is a bulldust excuse except for maybe tiring late in the season.

Incorrect... premiership sides all have very similar games and age makeup. 

Against tigers: 80 games, 24.5 age, 10 players under 50 and 3 over 150.

premiership sides: 

Tigers 2017: 104 games, 25 age, 4 under 50, 8 over 150

crows R/U: 109 games, 26 years, 1 under 50, 7 over 150

The recipe to success is average over 100 games, 26 years, 3/4 of the team over 100 games.

we had 6 players on the weekend over 100 games. Almost 10 short of what we need. 

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@bandicoot great point in here. The dogs were an anomaly at an average age of 24 years 5 months, average games 82, but they had 13 players 100 games or more and only 2 players under 50 games at the time. That got me thinking though what is their Round 1 teams then vs our Round 1 now. 

WB - 24y 7m, 81.5 games, 3 under 50, 8 50-100; 7 100-149; 4 150+

Rich - 25y 1m, 94.2 games, 4 under 50; 6 50-100; 5 100-149; 7 150+

Melb - 25y 5m 84.1games, 11 under 50; 4 50-100; 3 100-149; 4 150+

The big thing to take away from this is that we still have a lot in the under 50 games. Now many of our boys are pushing up from the below 50 to 50-100 bracket before finals - Salem (now there), Harmes, Hunt, Trac, OMac, Oliver, ANB, Gus and Stretch.

So assuming a like for like replacement for Viney, TMac, Lewis, Hannan/Fritch (so lets say for argument Stretch, Weiderman, Wagner, Kent) <doesnt really matter its a theoretical exercise>

5 150+: Lewis, Vince, Jones, Garlett, Melksham 

5 100-150: TMac, Jetta, Hibbard, Tyson, Viney (Gawn on the cusp)

11 50-100: Gawn, Lever, Hogan, Salem, Harmes, Hunt, Trac, OMac, Oliver, ANB, Brayshaw 

1 Under 50: Hannan/Fritch (Hannan could be at 40 games at this stage). 

At this stage, we will have a team with an average games played of over 100 and a lot of experience in here. There is a lot to look forward to and these are some really good players in here (remember ANB and Harmes have started badly but they were really good last year). It is a great list to work with, they just need some time. 

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On 4/18/2016 at 2:12 PM, bandicoot said:

On the weekend we fielded the youngest and most inexperienced side in the comp.

Average age of 23 years and 10 months with 62 games. 

Shows that there is massive upside and also that this year will be a bit of a roller coaster regarding performance. 

I posted this in April 2016.

Last weekend we fielded the second youngest and inexperienced side in the comp. 

Average age 24.3 and 68 games.

17 of our starting 22 had played less than 100 games and more than 1/4 under 10.

collingwood fielded a team with an average age of 27 and 120 games.

These are the facts and a major reason why we are where we are. 

 

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