Changes v Richmond

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, Goodvibes said:

stuie I'll make this really clear. I will respond to you once and once only. I've seen some people on this site treat you really poorly. I feel you're often misunderstood and have some quality footballing views to offer. I've often been tempted to jump to your defence (not that you'd claim you need it) but find that difficult to do when I then see you adopt such a confrontational, point scoring stance so regularly, rather than simply debating the topic at hand. Whether you agree or not, you involve yourself in regular spats on this site. You've clearly become the common denominator and need to address why this is. I'm guessing many like me have been skirting past the in-fighting on this forum in search of the hidden gold and have grown increasingly frustrated in the process. Today, I reached my limit. I'm asking you, as plainly as I can to stop. Talk footy. It's easy, particularly when you finally have a team to watch that doesn't drive you to want to throw a brick through your tv screen every week.

Sooooooo is that a yes or a no to the footy question I asked.....?

 

[picket fence 15,083]

21 hours ago, DubDee said:

In.  Vince, Garlett

Out, Oliver and Brayshaw

 

Oliver to be dropped/rested, only 11 touches.  still did ok but the two coming in are better.

Brayshaw - dont mess around with concussion with a young mid - bound to get hit a lot 

If correct then Oliver must play, rationale being witrh one "Grunter" out You will still need another "Grunter" to replace

So if Gus misses with concussion  then Oliver definately would stay!

[FireInTheBennelly 4,024]

58 minutes ago, H_T said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-21/tigers-to-name-deledio-plan-to-make-late-call

After reading that article I'm not sure why I didn't find the following anywhere - 'In an act of sheer desperation.....'

[boydie 653]

1 hour ago, Goodvibes said:

stuie I'll make this really clear. I will respond to you once and once only. I've seen some people on this site treat you really poorly. I feel you're often misunderstood and have some quality footballing views to offer. I've often been tempted to jump to your defence (not that you'd claim you need it) but find that difficult to do when I then see you adopt such a confrontational, point scoring stance so regularly, rather than simply debating the topic at hand. Whether you agree or not, you involve yourself in regular spats on this site. You've clearly become the common denominator and need to address why this is. I'm guessing many like me have been skirting past the in-fighting on this forum in search of the hidden gold and have grown increasingly frustrated in the process. Today, I reached my limit. I'm asking you, as plainly as I can to stop. Talk footy. It's easy, particularly when you finally have a team to watch that doesn't drive you to want to throw a brick through your tv screen every week.

Exactly the same sentiments here.

I have no regrets about avoiding all the junk posts and infighting.

[stuie 7,374]

2 minutes ago, boydie said:

Exactly the same sentiments here.

I have no regrets about avoiding all the junk posts and infighting.

TBH I did resolve myself to avoid that a little while ago but got sucked in again.

Will give it a go again.

It's really only 2-3 posters that get to me, might just block them for everyone's sake.

 

[Skuit 9,122]

1 hour ago, H_T said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-21/tigers-to-name-deledio-plan-to-make-late-call

'No.1 ruckman and "spiritual leader" Ivan Maric. . .'

[Gator 16,891]

2 hours ago, stuie said:

So you base the quality of performances purely on stats?

Interesting.

I assume that means you're happy for your whipping boy Matt Jones to stay in ahead of Hogan, Harmes, McDonald, Watts, Brayshaw, Gawn, Hunt, Dunn & Oliver given he had as many or more disposals as them last round?

In this case yes

 

of course.

I watched Petracca 'live' 3 weeks ago in a Casey practice match.  

I watched the first quarter on the club website where he has 9 possessions and two ripping marks.  He looks better in just 3 weeks.  I've also seen him train recently, Stu.

I know the class of player involved and it doesn't take much to realise that Petracca's possessions/minutes/output are superior to Neal-Bullen's possessions/minutes/output, let alone when he has 60 to 55.  They've played a somewhat similar role, with Petracca playing plenty of midfield minutes.

 

Getting back to the point, Stu, Clint's inference was that Neal-Bullen had been in better form than Petracca.  There's no hope in hell that Neal-Bullen has been in better form in 2 games when he's had less stats than the gun in waiting Petracca. 

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[Scipio 5,868]

24 minutes ago, stuie said:

TBH I did resolve myself to avoid that a little while ago but got sucked in again.

Will give it a go again.

It's really only 2-3 posters that get to me, might just block them for everyone's sake.

 

Please just do that.

[stuie 7,374]

51 minutes ago, ProDee said:

In this case yes

 

of course.

I watched Petracca 'live' 3 weeks ago in a Casey practice match.  

I watched the first quarter on the club website where he has 9 possessions and two ripping marks.  He looks better in just 3 weeks.  I've also seen him train recently, Stu.

I know the class of player involved and it doesn't take much to realise that Petracca's possessions/minutes/output are superior to Neal-Bullen's possessions/minutes/output, let alone when he has 60 to 55.  They've played a somewhat similar role, with Petracca playing plenty of midfield minutes.

 

Getting back to the point, Stu, Clint's inference was that Neal-Bullen had been in better form than Petracca.  There's no hope in hell that Neal-Bullen has been in better form in 2 games when he's had less stats than the gun in waiting Petracca. 

You will note "ProDee" I did not use 1 insult in my post to you, says a lot that you felt the need to provide so many in your reply.

There is obviously no argument from anyone about who is the greater talent out of Petracca and ANB, but I still disagree with your assertion that stats = form.

Given the different roles said players would be asked to do, why does it have to be a competition of form? You talked about comparing stats of different roles yet you have done just that. ANB and Petracca are clearly not competing for the same spot in the team.

Without having seen all the games in full it's absolute folly to determine form based purely on stats and talent.

[sue 8,415]

2 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Missons credibility is suspect. He must have known it was a high sprain from the beginning. Should have said so at the time.

It is dangerous around here getting any sort of reputation because everything that happens is always further evidence in support of it regardless of the facts. In fact when it went from 1 week to more, the explanation was that scans had shown the injury was a higher sprain than thought.

[Scipio 5,868]

13 minutes ago, Skuit said:

'No.1 ruckman and "spiritual leader" Ivan Maric. . .'

Wouldn't mind at all if they played both Maric and Deledio. Two underdone players will come back to bite them on the arse.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

15 minutes ago, Django said:

Wouldn't mind at all if they played both Maric and Deledio. Two underdone players will come back to bite them on the arse.

Maric has been playing VFL, he'll be ready.

[In Harmes Way 7,482]

3 hours ago, M_9 said:

Just on Petracca. you'd think if he doesn't get a gig this week, he'd have to play next week. The club would not be so cruel to us as to have him debut at Metricon (would they?).

Me and my boy are making the trip up there for a boys weekend away. If this does happen,we'll just have to cheer even louder.

[Fat Tony 4,386]

51 minutes ago, ProDee said:

In this case yes

 

of course.

I watched Petracca 'live' 3 weeks ago in a Casey practice match.  

I watched the first quarter on the club website where he has 9 possessions and two ripping marks.  He looks better in just 3 weeks.  I've also seen him train recently, Stu.

I know the class of player involved and it doesn't take much to realise that Petracca's possessions/minutes/output are superior to Neal-Bullen's possessions/minutes/output, let alone when he has 60 to 55.  They've played a somewhat similar role, with Petracca playing plenty of midfield minutes.

O

 

Getting back to the point, Stu, Clint's inference was that Neal-Bullen had been in better form than Petracca.  There's no hope in hell that Neal-Bullen has been in better form in 2 games when he's had less stats than the gun in waiting Petracca. 

I watched the first quarter of the Collingwood VFL game on the MFC website and thought Petracca looked a really good prospect. He looks to read the play very well, wins a lot of contested ball at stoppages and takes a great mark. The issue he will struggle with at AFL level is covering the ground. This will obviously improve through time, but I doubt he will ever be a strong runner. Even if he doesn't improve this significantly, I have no doubt he can make it as a forward who pinch hits in the midfield. The other comment I would make on Petracca is that he was a little sloppy at times with his skills in the parts I watched, albeit he had a lot of the ball and looks highly coordinated.

As an aside, I thought Grimes was really good in quarter I saw.

 

[Deespicable 2,539]

Get ready for being a bit deflated tonight. With game being Sunday, it's almost certainly going to be a case of just three ins and we will have to wait until tomorrow at 5pm to find out who is biting the bullet for Vince and maybe CP5 and Jeffy. But the really interesting part will be who is on the extended interchange bench because that will give you a clue as to who's out of favour - I think a lot of you have forgotten that Dunny has won that title hands down this year, so I'll be very surprised if he is named in the 18. But I do agree with everyone that it's always really hard to change a winning line up.

For mine there's only one player who should be out (Matt Jones), but he's been listed in the first 18 every game so far, so he obviously is in with the selection committee and really, at the end of the day, that's all that counts.

[rjay 23,883]

1 hour ago, Django said:

Wouldn't mind at all if they played both Maric and Deledio. Two underdone players will come back to bite them on the arse.

I think with Maric it's more a case of him being undersized than underdone.

This is one game they could do with Hampson to try and nullify Max, and on the underdone side of things I'm not sure Maric will have the match fitness to try and expose Max around the ground.

[jnrmac 18,939]

3 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Missons credibility is suspect. He must have known it was a high sprain from the beginning. Should have said so at the time.

Who cares? If you really believe the club is going to tell us every detail 100% of the time then you will be sorely disappointed. There are many reasons why they can't tell us or don't want to tell us.

[Deeoldfart 7,719]

3 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

FB AFL page has Lids playing.

Lids meet Viney.

My guess is that if an (underdone) Deledio is selected, he will spend a high percentage of his time deep forward, where his strong marking and good kicking can be dangerous, especially given their alternate goal-kicking options.  We will need strong team defense to counter them all.  Who would be our first option to stand Deledio?  Wagner?

[Biffen 12,322]

1 hour ago, stuie said:

TBH I did resolve myself to avoid that a little while ago but got sucked in again.

Will give it a go again.

It's really only 2-3 posters that get to me, might just block them for everyone's sake.

 

You are showing wonderful maturity Stu. One day the racist, mysogenous, atheistic and impure  will bow to your moral superiority.

[Bay Riffin 1,413]

1 hour ago, Deespicable said:

Get ready for being a bit deflated tonight. With game being Sunday, it's almost certainly going to be a case of just three ins and we will have to wait until tomorrow at 5pm to find out who is biting the bullet for Vince and maybe CP5 and Jeffy. But the really interesting part will be who is on the extended interchange bench because that will give you a clue as to who's out of favour - I think a lot of you have forgotten that Dunny has won that title hands down this year, so I'll be very surprised if he is named in the 18. But I do agree with everyone that it's always really hard to change a winning line up.

For mine there's only one player who should be out (Matt Jones), but he's been listed in the first 18 every game so far, so he obviously is in with the selection committee and really, at the end of the day, that's all that counts.

Dunn has been a welcome inclusion with his disposal out of the back half. he hits targets regularly and set up a few runs early that put the pies under the pump. he won't be going anywhere.

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,860]

40 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

My guess is that if an (underdone) Deledio is selected, he will spend a high percentage of his time deep forward, where his strong marking and good kicking can be dangerous, especially given their alternate goal-kicking options.  We will need strong team defense to counter them all.  Who would be our first option to stand Deledio?  Wagner?

Good point, I'm still undecided if he'll play.  

Maybe Vince early, Lids is a smart player, he's clearly not match fit, shut him down early and try and expose him going the other way. Then see how the game pans out and maybe look to make a switch. 

 

 

[hells bells 2,022]

Tigers have moved in the betting. Now Favourites for what it's worth.

[sisso 2,383]

1 minute ago, hells bells said:

Tigers have moved in the betting. Now Favourites for what it's worth.

Good for us, we suck as favourites...need to learn to overcome this of course 

[hemingway 7,587]

Happy to go in as underdogs in this game and every other at least for this season. 

[Skuit 9,122]

49 minutes ago, hells bells said:

Tigers have moved in the betting. Now Favourites for what it's worth.

Deep-pocketed Demons fans plunging the Tigers to save us from favouritism . . ?