Mitch Clark - did we dodge a bullet?

[Moonshadow 17,676]

4 hours ago, stuie said:

If you think you need to be on a high horse to not spread around baseless rumours about footy players' personal lives then that says more about you than me.

 

Settle down ginger, it's not like you haven't encouraged posters to jump off the West Gate Bridge whilst still portraying as a wholesome SJW. No one here is an angel.

Edited September 3, 2016 by Moonshadow

[monoccular 17,427]

On 2 September 2016 at 1:24 AM, DemonOX said:

Did we doge a bullet, IMO we dodged a bloody hand grenade. 

We actually carried the bullet for a couple of years before he thought he could do better at Kardinia Park, which in the end he didn't. 

[What 18,810]

On 03/09/2016 at 7:35 AM, Adzman said:

Reading over this thread has made me worry less about Mitch, and more about trading with Collingwood. 

We have been shafted at the trade table time and time again by this mob...

Pick 20 for Dawes was a great deal.  We really bent them over in that one.

[picket fence 17,151]

On 3/1/2016 at 9:37 PM, Whispering_Jack said:

Sad to see a great talent destroyed by injury and illness. 

I really believe he was on the verge of something great when he came down with that debilitating Lisfranc injury. What followed was a tragedy for the player and the club.

I don't think you can say we ended up "dodging" a bullet because we went to great lengths and invested heavily in Mitch and lost out badly as a result of his long running injury and the mental problems that followed.

I hope he recovers and gets some enjoyment from the tail end of his career. He's had a pretty wretched run.

Not to mention "other Issues"... lets be frank, Bloke shafted us, got good money and up and left. But agree we sure did dodge that bullet!

[Guest]

The bullet has ricocheted around the country after hitting Brisbane, Freo and us before coming to rest in the Cat's rectum.

[daisycutter 29,613]

4 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

The bullet has ricocheted around the country after hitting Brisbane, Freo and us before coming to rest in the Cat's rectum.

i hope essington picks him up

[Redleg 40,907]

Sounding like Clark may be delisted by the Cats.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

On 2 September 2016 at 2:54 PM, hemingway said:

Clark was cruelled by injury and mental health issues. He did not use any club. Clubs bid on him like they do other footballers with apparent cache. They bid on him knowing his background, in particular, Geelong. He went to both MFC and Geeling hoping he would overcome his problems and play regular footy. The fact is that clubs took the risk and paid big bucks. Like venture capital it does not always provide a return on capital. Clark despite the moral judgements being made was just a chattel of the trading system established, encouraged and supported by the AFL and the clubs. Judgements about his character is another thing.

I thought we nailed it by trading pick 12 for Clark. Before he mucked the club around, I really rated him. He was unbelievable before he was injured.

Don't agree with the venture capital metaphor though - VC is spent on the speccy trades for not much outlay and the rookie draft. Higher risk settings on return on investment in that zone, but, if it does, it could pay off royally (albeit unlikely).

Playing a player mega bucks and trading a first round pick attracts the tier one capital, not venture capital - there shouldn't be that much risk at the very top end of the trading spectrum and the return on investment in this zone should be pretty secure/safe.

Ultimately Geelong and we spent tier one capital on an asset with big wrinkles. Not a particularly sound investment strategy.

 

[Adam The God 30,239]

58 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i hope essington picks him up

They may have their own equivalent in O'Meara. More than likely he never plays again.

[hemingway 7,627]

3 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I thought we nailed it by trading pick 12 for Clark. Before he mucked the club around, I really rated him. He was unbelievable before he was injured.

Don't agree with the venture capital metaphor though - VC is spent on the speccy trades for not much outlay and the rookie draft. Higher risk settings on return on investment in that zone, but, if it does, it could pay off royally (albeit unlikely).

Playing a player mega bucks and trading a first round pick attracts the tier one capital, not venture capital - there shouldn't be that much risk at the very top end of the trading spectrum and the return on investment in this zone should be pretty secure/safe.

Ultimately Geelong and we spent tier one capital on an asset with big wrinkles. Not a particularly sound investment strategy.

 

Thank you Ron for the lesson. You obviously have more involvement in the murky investment market than I do. Spoken like a true venture capitalist. 

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

I probably know a bit more about banking and capital allocation than I do about AFL list management.

 

Edited September 6, 2016 by Ron Burgundy

[praha 11,240]

17 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I thought we nailed it by trading pick 12 for Clark. Before he mucked the club around, I really rated him. He was unbelievable before he was injured.

Don't agree with the venture capital metaphor though - VC is spent on the speccy trades for not much outlay and the rookie draft. Higher risk settings on return on investment in that zone, but, if it does, it could pay off royally (albeit unlikely).

Playing a player mega bucks and trading a first round pick attracts the tier one capital, not venture capital - there shouldn't be that much risk at the very top end of the trading spectrum and the return on investment in this zone should be pretty secure/safe.

Ultimately Geelong and we spent tier one capital on an asset with big wrinkles. Not a particularly sound investment strategy.

 

[Gawn-Cam 4]

We should have known something like this was going to happen, he originally requested a trade from Brisbane to 'go home' to WA, then decided that home didn't matter as much as a bigger contract at Melbourne.... we knew the kind of player we were getting into bed with, but ignored that and deserved what we got. 

[stuie 7,374]

3 minutes ago, Gawn-Cam said:

We should have known something like this was going to happen, he originally requested a trade from Brisbane to 'go home' to WA, then decided that home didn't matter as much as a bigger contract at Melbourne.... we knew the kind of player we were getting into bed with, but ignored that and deserved what we got. 

Rubbish post.

Firstly, he wasn't going to take the Melbourne contract but his family convinced him it was the best thing to do for his future.

Secondly, the issues that saw him leave us were either non-existent or unknown to anyone when we first brought him in. Do you even remember his first season?

 

[Ted Lasso 19,514]

On 9/7/2016 at 0:23 PM, stuie said:

Rubbish post.

Firstly, he wasn't going to take the Melbourne contract but his family convinced him it was the best thing to do for his future.

Secondly, the issues that saw him leave us were either non-existent or unknown to anyone when we first brought him in. Do you even remember his first season?

 

But his reason that he gave the Lions when he told them he was leaving was homesickness and he wanted to return to his family, then took a bigger contract in Melbourne, i think his point stands to a point,

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, Abe said:

But his reason that he gave the Lions when he told them he was leaving was homesickness and he wanted to return to his family, then took a bigger contract in Melbourne, i think his point stands to a point,

Which was his intention STILL when the MFC offer was put forward, until his family in WA told him the MFC contract was the best thing to do for his family.

Don't oversimplify the situation to give yourself some false basis to bash a guy you don't know.

 

[Ted Lasso 19,514]

On 9/7/2016 at 1:07 PM, stuie said:

Which was his intention STILL when the MFC offer was put forward, until his family in WA told him the MFC contract was the best thing to do for his family.

Don't oversimplify the situation to give yourself some false basis to bash a guy you don't know.

 

I am saying the Brisbane Lions obviously wouldn't have thought very highly of those actions, and when hiring a new employee the manner of which they leave previous employment can give you a fair indication into their character, from the outside, it doesn't look great. 

Homesickness is a very different thing to going in search of the biggest contract,

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, Abe said:

I am saying the Brisbane Lions obviously wouldn't have thought very highly of those actions, and when hiring a new employee the manner of which they leave previous employment can give you a fair indication into their character, from the outside, it doesn't look great. 

Homesickness is a very different thing to going in search of the biggest contract,

Read my post above again if it didn't sink in the first time.

 

[Ted Lasso 19,514]

On 9/7/2016 at 1:12 PM, stuie said:

Read my post above again if it didn't sink in the first time.

 

you're a nuffy stuie, i haven't bashed him at all, just saying it isn't a great look from the outside, i reckon most would agree with that. 

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, Abe said:

you're a nuffy stuie, i haven't bashed him at all, just saying it isn't a great look from the outside, i reckon most would agree with that. 

I'll make it simple for you: He wanted to do what was best for his family. His family said the best thing to do was to take the big offer for the sake of their future. He did what his family wanted.

He was not "in search of the biggest contract", he was doing what was best for his family.

 

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

2 minutes ago, Abe said:

you're a nuffy stuie, i haven't bashed him at all, just saying it isn't a great look from the outside, i reckon most would agree with that. 

Just ask Michael Voss

[Ted Lasso 19,514]

On 9/7/2016 at 1:17 PM, stuie said:

I'll make it simple for you: He wanted to do what was best for his family. His family said the best thing to do was to take the big offer for the sake of their future. He did what his family wanted.

He was not "in search of the biggest contract", he was doing what was best for his family.

 

Which just happened to be taking the biggest contract offer on the other side of the country from where he told the Lions he was returning because of homesickness. 

i am not saying he's a bad person, just that those actions were always going to look bad from the outside, you just keep missing that point,

How would you feel if Jesse Hogan requested a trade to Perth because he was homesick, and then signed with the Sydney Swans?

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, Abe said:

Which just happened to be taking the biggest contract offer on the other side of the country from where he told the Lions he was returning because of homesickness. 

i am not saying he's a bad person, just that those actions were always going to look bad from the outside, you just keep missing that point,

How would you feel if Jesse Hogan requested a trade to Perth because he was homesick, and then signed with the Sydney Swans?

You're still not grasping the actual context here. It wasn't "homesickness", it was doing the best thing for his family. Securing their financial future is pretty important yes?

Of course they look bad from the outside to social media bogans and footy hacks who want everything black and white, spuds and stars, heroes and villains, but it's not the reality of what actually happened.

 

[Ted Lasso 19,514]

On 9/7/2016 at 1:23 PM, stuie said:

You're still not grasping the actual context here. It wasn't "homesickness", it was doing the best thing for his family. Securing their financial future is pretty important yes?

Of course they look bad from the outside to social media bogans and footy hacks who want everything black and white, spuds and stars, heroes and villains, but it's not the reality of what actually happened.

 

Happy to agree to disagree Stuie, for the sake of not derailing another thread  have a good one. 

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, Abe said:

Happy to agree to disagree Stuie, for the sake of not derailing another thread  have a good one. 

You too Abe. Fair play btw, I think we managed to keep it pretty civil by Demonland standards. Cheers!