Round 1 Team

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Just now, Wiseblood said:

You honestly think Hulett will play Round 1?  Seriously?

I want him to make it, but people are getting excited over nothing more than his size.  The kid hasn't even played in a NAB Cup match yet.  Let's just temper the expectations a touch here and let him do something before we go sticking him in a Round 1 side.

No, probay not, I'm just doodling whilst watching the tennis. To be honest I was just thinking about what Pro Dee said earlier tonight, it got me thinking. I revisited the Hawks/Eagles grand final teams to see how they lined up. 

If Frost is good to go, (I'm probably mistaken) I'm sure I read last year he's earmarked to pair up with TMAC in defense and he won't be playing forward. If that's the case HULETT out, PEDO to CHF and maybe HARMES/KENNEDY/BUGG depending on pre season to the bench. When GAWN has a rest PEDO to the ruck and we just run with a small forward line for a few minutes a qtr to mix it up. 

 

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Are you just ignoring the fact this is a Round 1 side? You offer snide responses and then put up that nonsense. Three players with ZERO games. Another player with ONE game. Another two players with less than 15 games. Another three players with less than 22 games.

Nine players in your Round 1 side who are practically babies to AFL. Almost half the team. 

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Just now, P-man said:

Are you just ignoring the fact this is a Round 1 side? You offer snide responses and then put up that nonsense. Three players with ZERO games. Another player with ONE game. Another two players with less than 15 games. Another three players with less than 22 games.

Nine players in your Round 1 side who are practically babies to AFL. Almost half the team. 

Not to mention that there is no T Mac or Garland in the backline, although I think having Frost in there twice was obviously a mistake.

I agree with your points, although you can hardly be surprised.  It's rare that someone puts up a proper Round 1 side as they factor in their bias as well.  Dawes is a prime example.  People leave him out but we all know that, if fit, he plays.  

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13 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Not to mention that there is no T Mac or Garland in the backline, although I think having Frost in there twice was obviously a mistake.

I agree with your points, although you can hardly be surprised.  It's rare that someone puts up a proper Round 1 side as they factor in their bias as well.  Dawes is a prime example.  People leave him out but we all know that, if fit, he plays.  

It amuses me that someone can reply with "is this serious?"...and then puts up THAT side

I get that some people will put up a side that doesn't include players we know will play. To me it's more logical to throw up the payers we know will play or are highly likely to play, and then fill in the blanks based on preference. But I get it's just a bit of fun.

However that side isn't just unrealistic. It's unwise to have such little experience on the ground in Round 1.

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CHF is going to be one of our biggest proble to date,it is difficukt to choose between Dawes and Pedo,however I wouldn't be surprised to see a less experience player against GWS.

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Jetta  Dunn Garland

Salem T.Mcd  Lamumba

Vince  Viney  Watts

Kent  Dawes  Brayshaw

Gartlett  Hogan Petracca

Gawn Tyson N.Jones

Neal-Bullen Harmes Bugg Kennedy

emerg. JKH Vandenburg Stretch

(Grimes  Frost M White)

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52 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

CHF is going to be one of our biggest proble to date,it is difficukt to choose between Dawes and Pedo,however I wouldn't be surprised to see a less experience player against GWS.

I agree that CHF is a position where there is going to be a few tried this season. Unless Dawes and/or Pedo really grab the spot and play well I could see a few others tried there. Frost, OMac might get a run there along with a couple of Cameos from the new kids. Weed or Hulett anyone?

 

I would like to see Watts given a run there with a stay at home FF, maybe a resting Gawn or a Pedo in the square with both Hogan and Watts given a licence to roam up the ground splitting the position. I could see a setup like that giving a few defences headaches. Garlett, Kent and possibly a Petracca crumbing from a big target. 

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11 hours ago, stuie said:

Lolz... Yeah apart from the fact stats never tell the whole story, it's not exactly a domination is it? Oooooh watch out for those 0.2 more hitouts a game from the guy some posters try to say is a way better ruck option than Dawes....

Fact: Roos has, and will continue to, pick Dawes ahead of Pedo at every opportunity.

 

I think the gap between the two would be pretty close, Dawes' experience probably gives me the edge, but when you have a key forward on the sort of money Dawes is on, who can't even manage 20 goals a season, and struggles to hold his marks, critics are going to come thick and fast.

Personally believe Wiederman will play at some point in the first half of the year also

but my round 1 team

Jetta Mcdonald Dunn

Salem Frost Lumumba

Vince Viney Brayshaw

VDB Hogan Kent

Garlett Dawes Pederson

Gawn Jones Tyson

Petracca Bugg Garland Harmes

 

 

Edited January 22, 2016 by Peter Griffen

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3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

You honestly think Hulett will play Round 1?  Seriously?

The kid hasn't even played in a NAB Cup match yet. 

Not only this, but he's barely played footy in the last 12 months as well. The quickest way to ruin his development would be shoving him into a forwardline, at CHF and expecting him to provide an option up and down the ground. 

 

Happy to to see him play NAB cup and then VFL. But I have an inkling he could well be starting in the vfl 2s for confidence and development reasons. But again who knows. 

Players that people dislike, especially H and Dawes, are locks to start in the team if fit. Especially considering H is our most experienced player on the list and will probably slot back into the half back flank which is more suited to him. 

 

My team is constantly changing but how I see it starting, given no injury list:

Jetta Dunn Garland

Salem TMac Lumumba

Tyson Jones Brayshaw

Watts Dawes Kent

Frost Hogan Gartlett

Gawn Vince Viney 

Bugg, Petracca, vandenBerg, trengove (Harmes or Stretch)

i know Trengove 100% won't play but yeh

 

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Dawes and Pedersen are not the answer and are similar players, in that both are average. One can run all day, provide lots of contests and is a poor mark. The other is a good mark in contested situations but has a poor tank and doesn't get to as many contests. I don't care which one gets pocked, makes no difference. 

agreed but the inconvenient truth is that we must pick one of them because it is likely to be a long time before Weideman can cement his spot.

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13 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

B: Neville Jetta | Lynden Dunn (vc) | Colin Garland
HB: Christian Salem | Tom McDonald | Son of Stretch
C: Dom Tyson | Nathan Jones (c) | Angus Brayshaw
HF: Dean Kent | Chris Dawes | Aaron vandenBerg
F: Jeff Garlett | Jesse Hogan | Christian Petracca
R: Max Gawn | Bernie Vince | Jack Viney
I/C: Oliver | Frost | Bugg | Kennedy
E: Watts | Pedersen | Neal-Bullen

 

Dawes / Pedersen a toss-up as to who gets first crack at CHF.

 

i wouldn't have Lumumba anywhere near my starting 25, let alone following double ankle surgery.

 

This was my first attempt before Bombay air conditioning summarized why I, sadly, wouldn't have Grimes near my side either.

Can't fault his heart, but his skills are poor and I don't think he's actually that good as a defender either, particularly one on one if isolated or in a contest. He also doesn't hold his feet in my opinion.

My own alternative to my own option would be:

B: Neville Jetta | Tom McDonald | Colin Garland
HB: Christian Salem | Sam Frost | Son of Stretch
C: Dom Tyson | Nathan Jones (c) | Angus Brayshaw
HF: Jack Watts | Lynden Dunn | Aaron vandenBerg
F: Jeff Garlett | Jesse Hogan | Dean Kent
R: Max Gawn | Bernie Vince | Jack Viney
I/C: Petracca | Pedersen | Bugg | Kennedy
E: Oliver | Dawes | Neal-Bullen

 

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8 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Not to mention that there is no T Mac or Garland in the backline, although I think having Frost in there twice was obviously a mistake.

I agree with your points, although you can hardly be surprised.  It's rare that someone puts up a proper Round 1 side as they factor in their bias as well.  Dawes is a prime example.  People leave him out but we all know that, if fit, he plays.  

I don't consider Garland a walk up start on last years form. I think TMac and Dunn fill two of the three spots for key defenders. Is Frost is not injured he is and Garland could be fighting it out during the preseason games for the one spot. 

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8 hours ago, Curry & Beer said:

agreed but the inconvenient truth is that we must pick one of them because it is likely to be a long time before Weideman can cement his spot.

True.  Let's thank our lucky stars we have Hogan as Pederen or Dawes are decent second forwards who still command enough respect that they keep a backman away from him.

I do like the crumbers we have down there too.  Garlett, Kent and Kennedy are all capable of multiple goals in a game and they can put on plenty of pressure when the ball gets down there.  Our forward line is really beginning to take shape.

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B :        N.Jetta  -         L.Dunn  -      C.Garland

HB :  H. Lumumba -  T.McDonald  - C.Salem

C  :      B.Vince        -  D.Tyson      - A.Brayshaw

HF :     D.Kent         -   S.Frost         - J.Watts

F  :     J.Garlett       -   J.Hogan         -  A.Vandenberg

R :      M.Gawn       -   J.Viney        -    N.Jones

Bench  -   B.Stretch   -  T.Bugg   -  J.Harmes  -  C.Oliver

 

Emer  -  B.Kennedy   -  J.Grimes   -  C.Pedersen

 

Doubt that Trengrove and Petracca will be ready Round 1.   And how nice is it to not have to worry about that horrible sub thing anymore?

Go Dees

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30 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I don't consider Garland a walk up start on last years form. I think TMac and Dunn fill two of the three spots for key defenders. Is Frost is not injured he is and Garland could be fighting it out during the preseason games for the one spot. 

Frost will play forward IMO.  They see him, at the moment, as a second ruckman.

And Garland will play no matter what.  You might not consider him a walk up start, but the club well and truly does.  He plays.

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12 hours ago, P-man said:

Are you just ignoring the fact this is a Round 1 side? You offer snide responses and then put up that nonsense. Three players with ZERO games. Another player with ONE game. Another two players with less than 15 games. Another three players with less than 22 games.

Nine players in your Round 1 side who are practically babies to AFL. Almost half the team. 

So after all that differences between our sides are as follows :

MY TEAM v YOUR TEAM

WHITE v GRIMES (for half back)

PEDO v DAWES (for CHF)

OLIVER v H (off the bench)

PETRACCA v GARLAND (I dropped Garland and had Frost down back and went for the extra mid, I think your fwd line is to tall)

Harmes/Kennedy/Bug v Bug

 

Your post came after my response to Wiseblood so I'm assuming you read it before posting. White has played one game and showed a lot of promise, if that continues throughout the preseason I would have no problem selecting him ahead of Grimes who's deficiencies are well documented. Pedo and Dawes is the lesser of two evils, both are holding the fort, Dawes is injured....again. H was disappointing last year, if Petracca and Oliver play well during the pre season they should get a look in, if they both have years like Angus did I don't think we'll hear to many complaints.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Frost will play forward IMO.  They see him, at the moment, as a second ruckman.

And Garland will play no matter what.  You might not consider him a walk up start, but the club well and truly does.  He plays.

In that scenario with Frost playing FWD/RUCK I think that Dawes/Pedo should both miss. With Watts as a third tall fwd that's enough height. Garlett, Kent and Vincent/Petracca/VB can rotate through on on a flank.

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9 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

 

This was my first attempt before Bombay air conditioning summarized why I, sadly, wouldn't have Grimes near my side either.

Can't fault his heart, but his skills are poor and I don't think he's actually that good as a defender either, particularly one on one if isolated or in a contest. He also doesn't hold his feet in my opinion.

My own alternative to my own option would be:

B: Neville Jetta | Tom McDonald | Colin Garland
HB: Christian Salem | Sam Frost | Son of Stretch
C: Dom Tyson | Nathan Jones (c) | Angus Brayshaw
HF: Jack Watts | Lynden Dunn | Aaron vandenBerg
F: Jeff Garlett | Jesse Hogan | Dean Kent
R: Max Gawn | Bernie Vince | Jack Viney
I/C: Petracca | Pedersen | Bugg | Kennedy
E: Oliver | Dawes | Neal-Bullen

 

I had Stretch on the wing but don't mind him off half back. I've mentioned before about (especially now Melksham is out) giving him and ANB a run off half back. If Salem gets injured we're stuffed. We need that flexibility.

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18 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I had Stretch on the wing but don't mind him off half back. I've mentioned before about (especially now Melksham is out) giving him and ANB a run off half back. If Salem gets injured we're stuffed. We need that flexibility.

Personally I think ANB is too slow to play off that half back flank, and his disposal is equally as questionable as Grimes. 

Grimes is a much better option off half back than ANB due to his tank, defensive strengths and ability to mark over head. I think ANB has a bright future but it will be through that mid/fwd rotation that he has been doing currently. 

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56 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

In that scenario with Frost playing FWD/RUCK I think that Dawes/Pedo should both miss. With Watts as a third tall fwd that's enough height. Garlett, Kent and Vincent/Petracca/VB can rotate through on on a flank.

That's the exact forward line we had last year Rs 1 vs GC and it worked a treat. Watts was very dangerous with 3 goals, Garlett kicked 2.4, Hogan did his thing, Kent was exciting, VB took a contested mark/goal and Frost was serviceable as the back up second ruck.

Then Dawes came back the next week vs GWS and ruined the chemistry in a poor loss.

According to the latest Bernie Vince article, it's understood that he may spend more time up fwd due to the removal of the sub.

Edited January 23, 2016 by Bring-Back-Powell

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14 hours ago, Mad_Melbourne said:

Not only this, but he's barely played footy in the last 12 months as well. The quickest way to ruin his development would be shoving him into a forwardline, at CHF and expecting him to provide an option up and down the ground. 

 

Happy to to see him play NAB cup and then VFL. But I have an inkling he could well be starting in the vfl 2s for confidence and development reasons. But again who knows. 

Players that people dislike, especially H and Dawes, are locks to start in the team if fit. Especially considering H is our most experienced player on the list and will probably slot back into the half back flank which is more suited to him. 

 

My team is constantly changing but how I see it starting, given no injury list:

Jetta Dunn Garland

Salem TMac Lumumba

Tyson Jones Brayshaw

Watts Dawes Kent

Frost Hogan Gartlett

Gawn Vince Viney 

Bugg, Petracca, vandenBerg, trengove (Harmes or Stretch)

i know Trengove 100% won't play but yeh

 

 

 

 

 

Just to clarify I personally don't dislike anyone on the list I just don't think they bring enough to the table. The club traded away Brodie Grundy for Dawes (and yes I thought it was a good idea at the time), can't remember what we lost for H (2nd rounder?). Besides Dawes game against Adelaide two years ago is there another game that either player has dominated or at least played a great half? For all of the experience two premiership players have brought us I would argue we've gotten more value from Vince and Cross. Being vocal at training is no longer enough, I want to see them influence games on a regular basis. Didn't H acknowledge in an interview late last year that he underachieved? Well when he's back let's bloody see something.

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36 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Just to clarify I personally don't dislike anyone on the list I just don't think they bring enough to the table. The club traded away Brodie Grundy for Dawes (and yes I thought it was a good idea at the time), can't remember what we lost for H (2nd rounder?). Besides Dawes game against Adelaide two years ago is there another game that either player has dominated or at least played a great half? For all of the experience two premiership players have brought us I would argue we've gotten more value from Vince and Cross. Being vocal at training is no longer enough, I want to see them influence games on a regular basis. Didn't H acknowledge in an interview late last year that he underachieved? Well when he's back let's bloody see something.

We got Lumumba in the Mitch Clark/Trav Varcoe three way deal.  Pies are certainly ahead at the moment in that deal, but I still think H has something to offer going forward.

I don't necessarily disagree with your views on Dawes.  There have been other good games outside of the Crows one where he has kicked a few goals and offered plenty (a ripper against the Hawks a few years back springs to mind), but he hasn't done enough.  The club just see him as a more viable option than Pedersen, particularly with his on field leadership, and that plays a part in why he gets a gig ahead of others.

Edited January 23, 2016 by Wiseblood

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5 hours ago, Mad_Melbourne said:

Personally I think ANB is too slow to play off that half back flank, and his disposal is equally as questionable as Grimes. 

Grimes is a much better option off half back than ANB due to his tank, defensive strengths and ability to mark over head. I think ANB has a bright future but it will be through that mid/fwd rotation that he has been doing currently. 

From what I've seen which would be about 5-6 of his 11 games I thought he's showed some promise and has some skill but obviously still a long way to go. I wouldn't of compared his disposal to Grimes. Whether it's back or forward flank we need to start trying of our youngmids in other positions. Some players will be best suited just playing on ball while others will be able to push up or down the ground depending on injuries/structures etc. You might be right he might be best suited rotating between half forward and the midfield but we need to go through the process and find out. We've been too one dimensional in recent years, this is slowly starting to change.

Edited January 23, 2016 by Bombay Airconditioning

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20 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

From what I've seen which would be about 5-6 of his 11 games I thought he's showed some promise and has some skill but obviously still a long way to go. I wouldn't of compared his disposal to Grimes. Whether it's back or forward flank we need to start trying of our youngmids in other positions. Some players will be best suited just playing on ball while others will be able to push up or down the ground depending on injuries/structures etc. You might be right he might be best suited rotating between half forward and the midfield but we need to go through the process and find out. We've been too one dimensional in recent years, this is slowly starting to change.

BA, it's interesting your almost pathological hatred of Grimes and his disposal inefficiencies.

No mention that invariably he has been slotted on the left side of defence because we don't have many (when Salem's out make that any) left footed defenders. He gets slotted there because he is the most disciplined player and always puts the team first. This year we have brought in another left-foot defender/mid in Bugg and we have White progressing and if our coaches ever decide to send Angus down back, that's where I'd play him because he can kick it 50m either foot.

Grimes will never be a long kick, nor will he be an explosively quick runner, but he has been one of the most impressive pre-season and he can play the Crossy-style intercept role and with Melksham out and probably Lumumba initially, I'd be gobsmacked if he didn't get first shot back there in the practice games.

Go back and watch videos of the games late in the season and watch for all the kicking errors made by our players and if Grimes ends up at the top, you have to be watching with Bollywood glasses on.

Please don't confuse this with me being a huge Grimes fan. I realise he will never be a star, but we now have enough players capable of winning games on our list. We also need a handful to be trusty servants and he's one. Cut him some slack and wait and see how he goes with what we know is now a better team. The good thing is that there are six other guys battling for a couple of mid-sized defensive spots back there (Salem is a lock and if my wish happened Brayshaw would be a lock down there as well). The six are Jetta, White, Lumumba, Garland, Bugg and Terlich. JKH should also be given a crack at it as well as he ain't going to get a game as a small forward.

 

[Goodvibes 3,596]

B:               Jetta              Dunn                Garland

CHB:           Salem            McDonald          Bugg

C:               Stretch           Tyson               Vince

CHF:           Watts             Hogan               vandenBerg

FF:              Kent              Pedersen           Garlett

Foll:            Gawn             Jones                Viney

Int:             Brayshaw       Petracca            Neal-Bullen      Oliver

Emerg:        Grimes           Dawes              Kennedy

 

I'm not afraid to play the kids. The future is now. Petracca will be ready. Oliver probably won't play but I'd like to see him. Great to have Kent and Salem back. Bugg wasn't recruited to play at Casey and I'm not sure why there's all this talk about CHF. I'm more worried about who will play closer to goal. Like most, I'm off the Dawes and Lumumba wagon and would love to pick Grimes but can't quite justify it at this point. Trengove obviously a wait and see prospect. Don't really rate Frost forward but very positive about his ability to fill a key defensive post when there's a vacancy for him. Until then Dunn, McDonald and Garland have the runs on the board.