The Jack Trengove is BACK Thread

[Sir Why You Little 34,420]

7 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Jones thinks differently and as club Captain I'll accept his view over any sentimentality.

Fine

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Ah, Jack.  You give me such mixed feelings.  On the one hand I'd be stoked to see you make it and cement a spot in our best 22.  If anyone deserves that chance then it's most certainly you.

But the football you played during the middle of last year didn't fill me with confidence.  Yes, you still have the ability to find the footy, use it well and make good decisions.  But you seemed two steps off the pace and didn't last long in the seniors.  I'm glad you've had a great pre-season, but my expectations are low.  

[Pates 9,536]

Love the blokes tenacity and attitude to not give up, but I don't see him being a regular. I think he'll play about 8-10 games at best in the seniors if his body holds up, but make no mistake when he breaks into the 22 it will be fully deserved. As it will be for anyone getting a senior gig this year.

FWIW I see him as a half forward flanker role mainly, he's an excellent kick and has good hands for his size. 

 

[nutbean 8,837]

12 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Ah, Jack.  You give me such mixed feelings.  On the one hand I'd be stoked to see you make it and cement a spot in our best 22.  If anyone deserves that chance then it's most certainly you.

But the football you played during the middle of last year didn't fill me with confidence.  Yes, you still have the ability to find the footy, use it well and make good decisions.  But you seemed two steps off the pace and didn't last long in the seniors.  I'm glad you've had a great pre-season, but my expectations are low.  

I have given up on "mixed feelings"  - actually any feelings. as they mostly get stomped on by players as that is the nature of the game these days. I am passionate about the team  - not about players. Hard and cynical but that's where we are at.

I hope like hell he makes it - I want the 40th player on the list to make it as it puts pressure to perform on the 39 players ahead of him.

Jack had all the attributes to be a very good footballer, not sure if the body is now going to allow him to be that good footballer. Like you WB, low expectations.What will be will be.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

16 hours ago, faultydet said:

I gave up most of the hope I had for him when I read the article where he stated that he had given up trying to regain his speed, and would focus on getting the ball in traffic instead.

If you cant get to a contest, or catch your opponent, you cannot apply defensive pressure.

Very interested to see what role he plays, but will not be at all surprised if he doesn't play. Maybe his best bet is replacing VDB at half forward. His hands have always been his strength.

If it makes you feel any better, a person's view about their own "speed" is a subjective assessment. In a year or two, Usain Bolt will know he has lost his speed, but will probably still be within the ten fastest humans on the planet. Trengove might have wanted more speed, but he might still have enough for what the team needs.

And I accept he might not be quick enough. If that was all he could bring to the table, he wouldn't get another game. Whether the other things he can bring - game sense, marking ability, mental toughness - are enough, we'll know before long. Like, I think, all of us, I wish him well.

[faultydet 7,593]

The bit about Bolt is absolutely pointless. Subjective or not.

If Trengove stayed exactly the same as last year, he might be one of the least agile 10 midfielders to ever play the game.

 

I also mentioned what I see his strengths to be. I just don't see them as making up for his shortcomings, with our flat chat game style. 

[Watts the matter 1,235]

14 hours ago, McQueen said:

Jones thinks differently and as club Captain I'll accept his view over any sentimentality.

Of course a captain is going to say this and so he should.

 

[hemingway 7,583]

14 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Ah, Jack.  You give me such mixed feelings.  On the one hand I'd be stoked to see you make it and cement a spot in our best 22.  If anyone deserves that chance then it's most certainly you.

But the football you played during the middle of last year didn't fill me with confidence.  Yes, you still have the ability to find the footy, use it well and make good decisions.  But you seemed two steps off the pace and didn't last long in the seniors.  I'm glad you've had a great pre-season, but my expectations are low.  

He lacks speed no doubt but he has also had a long time out of the game which would not help his adjustment to the speed of the game at AFL level.  He needs time to regain not only the speed of the game but also to restore his confidence levels. 

One of the problems with fringe players is that they are often not given enough consecutive games at AFL level to build their confidence.  Getting a game or getting a few games and then being sent back to Casey does nothing for their confidence. That will only be worse this year with (hopefully) team improvement and increased competition for spots. 

However, it will make it more difficult for guys like Trengove to get a regular spot. If a fringe player doesn't play a blinder then Casey beckons. Just an OK game is not going to be good enough.

Love Trengove but I am philosophical about his future.

[bandicoot 1,395]

Why on earth was he not given a run tonight? 

[McQueen 17,862]

[censored] that he hasn't got a trot tonight.

It's a fuggin practice game ffs!

[bandicoot 1,395]

1 minute ago, McQueen said:

[censored] that he hasn't got a trot tonight.

It's a fuggin practice game ffs!

So they brought him to Perth to sit on the bench the whole game?

[BrisbaneDemon 1,492]

I would be ropable if I were him, a really shite thing for the coaching group to do, practice match nothing on the line, leaves Harmes out there that can't hit the side of the shed, pathetic from the club, the bloke deserves better

[bandicoot 1,395]

8 minutes ago, BrisbaneDemon said:

I would be ropable if I were him, a really shite thing for the coaching group to do, practice match nothing on the line, leaves Harmes out there that can't hit the side of the shed, pathetic from the club, the bloke deserves better

He must have been injured... makes no sense 

[olisik 4,060]

Anyone else see him storm off away from the team in the rooms afterwards? 

[Deestroy All 14,261]

4 minutes ago, olisik said:

Anyone else see him storm off away from the team in the rooms afterwards? 

Lol stormed off. You sure like to exaggerate. 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Did we play a man short?

[dazzledavey36 48,647]

I would be fuming. Especially when you have spuds like Harmes running around butchering every single kick.

[boydie 653]

West Coast only used 22 players for context, we used 23.

[DeeSpencer 23,061]

1 minute ago, Wrecker45 said:

Did we play a man short?

No we played with 23 and we assume Trenners was the travelling emergency who might've been set to play if there was an injury or if the coaches wanted a different look for round 1. 

At the moment we have injuries to forwards and backs but no spots in the midfield.

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,089]

He will be filthy. Makes no sense at all he didn't at least play a half of footy. We had plenty of passengers tonight he could have replaced for 2 quarters at least.

[Uncle Fester 2,835]

28 minutes ago, bandicoot said:

He must have been injured... makes no sense 

Injured... crook... who knows. I doubt he was flown over just to watch the game

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,150]

Saw him in the warm up before the match embrace Watts, both brimming. Looked ready to play and looked like Watts was expecting home to play too.

 

If his body isn't broken his confidence soon will be.

[rjay 23,867]

18 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

No we played with 23 and we assume Trenners was the travelling emergency who might've been set to play if there was an injury or if the coaches wanted a different look for round 1. 

At the moment we have injuries to forwards and backs but no spots in the midfield.

Trengove would give us more than ANB & Harmes who were both very average forwards tonight...little to no forward pressure and no footy IQ.

[brendan 3,380]

I hope someone asks goody, must have been a backup if someone got injured 

[DeeSpencer 23,061]

4 minutes ago, rjay said:

Trengove would give us more than ANB & Harmes who were both very average forwards tonight...little to no forward pressure and no footy IQ.

More or just something different? ANB and Harmes are quick enough to chase, tackle and find the ball at half forward, they just aren't very good. Trenners would be better with the ball sure, but he'd probably barely touch it and provide just as little if not less pressure. He's not going to play round 1, there's just no spot for him, where as those other 2 are at least options to play half forward.