Peter Jackson recommits to Demons

[dee-eee 231]

Great news ................Thanksgiving Thursday ?

[Demon Disciple 10,921]

Jesus Christ, no Schwab wasn't the best CEO and he had some wacky ideas, but he loves the club and his heart is in the right place.

Absurd and completely disrespectful to compare him to Scully.

I disagree completely. Schwab did so much more damage to this footy club towards the end of his tenure than Scully ever could have. Sure T$ left for money after only 2 years, but our culture was so toxic which Schwab had a huge role in developing.

Scully's defection gave us the ability to bring in Hogan. After Schwab got through with running (or is that ruining?) the club, we were in such a bad state that the AFL had to step in and virtually take over.

Schwab did to us off-field, what Prendergast did to us on-field. He was just able to get away with it for longer.

Edited November 19, 2015 by Demon Disciple

[McQueen 17,862]

I disagree completely. Schwab did so much more damage to this footy club towards the end of his tenure than Scully ever could have. Sure T$ left for money after only 2 years, but our culture was so toxic which Schwab had a huge role in developing.

Scully's defection gave us the ability to bring in Hogan. After Schwab got through with running (or is that ruining?) the club, we were in such a bad state that the AFL had to step in and virtually take over.

Schwab did to us off-field, what Prendergast did to us on-field. He was just able to get away with it for longer.

WGAF now anyway.

Look forward.

[stuie 7,374]

Fantastic news, and not even a sniff of it in the press.

I don't understand... Is this how things are meant to be done?

Well done MFC.

You do realize that first link was from The Age right?

[Robot Devil 1,895]

It's a matter of time until a Melbourne fan somewhere decides to get a tattoo of this man's face.

It might be me.

Well, maybe just his initials with a love heart around them. I don't want people to think I'm crazy.

And if you get his full name people might think you love suits or cigarettes.

[deanox 8,564]

I disagree completely. Schwab did so much more damage to this footy club towards the end of his tenure than Scully ever could have. Sure T$ left for money after only 2 years, but our culture was so toxic which Schwab had a huge role in developing.

Scully's defection gave us the ability to bring in Hogan. After Schwab got through with running (or is that ruining?) the club, we were in such a bad state that the AFL had to step in and virtually take over.

Schwab did to us off-field, what Prendergast did to us on-field. He was just able to get away with it for longer.

Schwab may have done a [censored] job, but Schwab is a Melbourne man who did what he thought was best for the club he loves.

For that he deserves to be treated with respect.

The way he exited the club, turning up to training to support the players despite being recently sacked, and never rubbishing the club or the people demonstrates a level a class as well, that deserves respect in turn.

He will be alongside us celebrating our return to glory, and he'll be welcome because of it.

[stuie 7,374]

The thought that pops into my head when seeing this is, who would i welcome back to the club first..............this muppet or T$? Talk about Sophie's Choice.

Or what about that selfish Schwarz who kept doing his knee, Young Simmonds for headbutting Long's knee, Lyon for picking Neeld and Morton for allowing himself to be drafted... All are traitors of the highest order and should be chased with pitch forks should they ever show their faces again.

[P-man 13,168]

And if you get his full name people might think you love suits or cigarettes.

Or films about hobbits.

[Biffen 12,323]

Or what about that selfish Schwarz who kept doing his knee, Young Simmonds for headbutting Long's knee, Lyon for picking Neeld and Morton for allowing himself to be drafted... All are traitors of the highest order and should be chased with pitch forks should they ever show their faces again.

I prefer the dunking stool personally.

[Guest]

I'm no fan of historical revisionism.
Be it 'Neale Daniher's reign is directly responsible for where we are now' or 'Saty was a caring and gentle soul who just wanted to give his training reports so that he could help all of the denizens of Demonland albeit that the horrible, horrible trolls turned on him', I hate it.
Some say here that CS tried his best for the club and try to make out he was some kind of cleanskin whose only sin was not delivering results.
Schwab played the political game as well as anyone and he bought down a lot of people along the way. THAT should also not be forgotten.
I might ask them what blokes like Dean Bailey (if he were still with us) or James McDonald would feel about the supposedly warm reception we need to give CS. I'm sure they felt that they were doing the right thing by the club and were just trying to make it a better place. Did CS extend the same kind of consideration for both of them when he played a very active part in at least one of their sackings (Bailey whom he got sacked via his mate the Gaz Man on Triple M after months of undermining) and an indirect part in the other's (it was the recruiting plan that he and Cuddles formulated that dictated that long term servants of the club were no longer required in the glorious future that the Red and Blueprint was going to bring us). I wonder how Bails might have felt as his coaching reputation was being diminished in his first two years of the club on purpose. I also wonder how he felt when the crunch came and the blokes who told him to recruit that way (Schwab being amongst them) were completely unwilling to take any responsibility for the state the club was in. Apparently it was all Bails' game plan and man management style and had nothing to do with the fact that we had a team of underdeveloped kids who had no senior support.
How about Brad Green, Jared Rivers or Brent Moloney? Granted that Beamer acted like a tool when he was at the club, but I wonder how those blokes might feel about all this love we should have for Schwab?They all got turfed from the leadership group for the crime of calling out CS on his performance. They weren't the greatest leaders but what might have happened had they not spoken out the way they did. Many tried to get their voices heard via the Andrews Report but that was immediately ignored and stored in that rather luxurious desk of CS's.
The problem with this historical revisionism is that, simply put, Schwab's ego outweighed his ability. Even after the absolute disaster of what was the Neeld appointment was laid bare after 148, he said he was still up for the fight. The truth is, if he was able to put his ego to one side, he should have left the club as soon as it was made clear that the football department had turned on him. An honest player would have realized that his position was untenable and would have moved on.However, he stayed on to get 'revenge' on those who had contributed to his sacking.
Sadly, Schwab took a lot of people down before his sacking and refused to take any responsibility for what was the worst incarnation of the MFC that I have ever seen. I have said in previous posts as well that Jimmy and Don also have to take responsibility for not providing the oversight required and for habitually hiring their mates instead of the best candidates for the job. CS was not the sole culprit behind the club becoming the crash site that it became.
I'm a big believer that we should not remain bitter about his time at the club as quite frankly hate and bitterness will do more harm to the hater than the hated in the end. I think a lot of these conversations about him are navel gazing of the worst kind and just lead to unnecessary aggro. However, to say that he was some kind of misunderstood soul is disingenuous.

Edited November 19, 2015 by Colin B. Flaubert

[Biffen 12,323]

I'm no fan of historical revisionism.

Be it 'Neale Daniher's reign is directly responsible for where we are now' to 'Saty was a caring and gentle soul who just wanted to give his training reports so that he could help all of the denizens of Demonland albeit that the horrible, horrible trolls turned on him', I hate it.

Some say here that CS tried his best for the club and try to make out he was some kind of cleanskin whose only sin was not delivering results.

Schwab played the political game as well as anyone and he bought down a lot of people along the way. THAT should also not be forgotten.

I might ask them what blokes like Dean Bailey (if he were still with us) or James McDonald would feel about the supposedly warm reception we need to give CS. I'm sure they felt that they were doing the right thing by the club and were just trying to make it a better place. Did CS extend the same kind of consideration for both of them when he played a very active part in at least one of their sackings (Bailey whom he got sacked via his mate the Gaz Man on Triple M after months of undermining) and an indirect part in the other's (it was the recruiting plan that he and Cuddles formulated that dictated that long term servants of the club were no longer required in the glorious future that the Red and Blueprint was going to bring us). I wonder how Bails might have felt as his coaching reputation was being diminished in his first two years of the club on purpose. I also wonder how he felt when the crunch came and the blokes who told him to recruit that way (Schwab being amongst them) were completely unwilling to take any responsibility for the state the club was in. Apparently it was all Bails' game plan and man management style and had nothing to do with the fact that we had a team of underdeveloped kids who had no senior support.

How about Brad Green, Jared Rivers or Brent Moloney? Granted that Beamer acted like a tool when he was at the club, but I wonder how those blokes might feel about all this love we should have for Schwab?They all got turfed from the leadership group for the crime of calling out CS on his performance. They weren't the greatest leaders but what might have happened had they not spoken out the way they did. Many tried to get their voices heard via the Andrews Report but that was immediately ignored and stored in that rather luxurious desk of CS's.

The problem with this historical revisionism is that, simply put, Schwab's ego outweighed his ability. Even after the absolute disaster of what was the Neeld appointment was laid bare after 148, he said he was still up for the fight. The truth is, if he was able to put his ego to one side, he should have left the club as soon as it was made clear that the football department had turned on him. An honest player would have realized that his position was untenable and would have moved on.However, he stayed on to get 'revenge' on those who had contributed to his sacking.

Sadly, Schwab took a lot of people down before his sacking and refused to take any responsibility for what was the worst incarnation of the MFC that I have ever seen. I have said in previous posts as well that Jimmy and Don also have to take responsibility for not providing the oversight required and for habitually hiring their mates instead of the best candidates for the job. CS was not the sole culprit behind the club becoming the crash site that it became.

I'm a big believer that we should not remain bitter about his time at the club as quite frankly hate and bitterness will do more harm to the hated than the hater in the end. I think a lot of these conversations about him are navel gazing of the worst kind and just lead to unnecessary aggro. However, to say that he was some kind of misunderstood soul is disingenuous.

Yesterday is history

and tomorrow is payback time.

[Carlos Danger 380]

I wasn't a fan of Demetriou during his time but this is certainly the gift that keeps giving.

PJ is the goods, I'm more than happy to see him extend contracts for as long as he wants.

[ding 5,126]

Im one of the (likely) many who have never really given a [censored] about the Board/Pres/CEo, and have barely even cared to research who was running the show, but this bloke is a different kettle of fish. To me this is almost as important a contract extension as Hogan or Brayshaw.

For someone who has no MFC blood inside him, he seems to honestly give a rats about our success in the future. Not to mention the fact he appears to be the consummate Pro.

Massive news for the club.

Cheers Pete. *raises cheap red wine

Edited November 19, 2015 by ding

[monoccular 16,042]

FCS - this is a thread celebrating Peter Jackson's commitment to the future of our club.

Yet, somehow, it has in inevitable style, been hijacked and become bogged down in history.

Can't some of you just enjoy something good for a welcome change?

[Biffen 12,323]

Im one of the (likely) many who have never really given a [censored] about the Board/Pres/CEo, and have barely even cared to research who was running the show, but this bloke is a different kettle of fish. To me this is almost as important a contract extension as Hogan or Brayshaw.

For someone who has no MFC blood inside him, he seems to honestly give a rats about out success in the future. Not to mention the fact he appears to be the consummate Pro.

Massive news for the club.

Cheers Pete. *raises cheap red wine

I get the same feeling.

A straight shooter with integrity is a formidable force in the long run.

His ego doesn't exist until called on.

Like a hero should be.

[Guest]

FCS - this is a thread celebrating Peter Jackson's commitment to the future of our club.

Yet, somehow, it has in inevitable style, been hijacked and become bogged down in history.

Can't some of you just enjoy something good for a welcome change?

I agree monoccular. The lack of talk about pre 2014 on these boards has been refreshing.

That being said, some on here do have short, or shall we say convenient, memories (and not just in regards to the topic previously raised).

[faultydet 7,593]

Im one of the (likely) many who have never really given a [censored] about the Board/Pres/CEo, and have barely even cared to research who was running the show, but this bloke is a different kettle of fish. To me this is almost as important a contract extension as Hogan or Brayshaw.

For someone who has no MFC blood inside him, he seems to honestly give a rats about out success in the future. Not to mention the fact he appears to be the consummate Pro.

Massive news for the club.

Cheers Pete. *raises cheap red wine

I would like to add a thank you to the invisible one, Glen Bartlett. I have seen him bagged several times on here, but the good decisions just keep rolling since he has been here.

If Glen was the controlling hand in this, he has my eternal thanks for a job well done..

Jacko, thanks again, and I second dings comments. Thanks for sticking around. I hope you can taste ultimate success with us in the near future..

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Professionalism, consistency and stability in administration of a football club won't guarantee on field success but you can't have success without it.

Inch by inch we are looking more and more like a proper footy club

it really does seem like a world away from the day Neeld was sacked, in all aspects of the club

fingers crossed it's not another false dawn

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Best contract extension we have done this preseason.

Just need Hogan's

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I hope they put up his highlights package soon...

A montage of phone calls and paperwork

I'd watch it :D

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Fantastic news, and not even a sniff of it in the press.

I don't understand... Is this how things are meant to be done?

Well done MFC.

It's almost like we're a real club or something

[Deestroy All 14,261]

I used to talk to Cameron Schwab at the the footy, and while he undoubtedly left us in a very bad state, I doubt I've met a more passionate MFC person, apart from Jimmy.

So yes he [censored] up, we know it, I'm sure he knows it and I'm willing to bet he was as upset about it all as we were.

We're in a better place now, we should probably enjoy that and move on.

[dee-luded 2,958]

The good thing is that it tells us that Jackson wants to see it through. He has not taken the opportunity to jump ship. It tells us a lot about the man and the direction of the club.

Reassuring to the club and supporters.

also I wonder, as it appears he is renewing 2 at a time, that he makes sure we still have the afl backing, before he re-signs on ?. IMO, we need the afl training wheels on, at this stage of things.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Jesus Christ, no Schwab wasn't the best CEO and he had some wacky ideas, but he loves the club and his heart is in the right place.

Absurd and completely disrespectful to compare him to Scully.

Schwab'y has done more good for this club, than bad... & he tries to do the best he can. he is a demon. & we should let this go by now, as we move forward. he didn't cause the poor culture, but tried to do the best from within it.

not many coaches have the ability to remove/exise a soft cosy culture from a club... most don't try, but paper mache` over the cracks, hoping confidence with cover all.

[dee-luded 2,958]

FCS - this is a thread celebrating Peter Jackson's commitment to the future of our club.

Yet, somehow, it has in inevitable style, been hijacked and become bogged down in history.

Can't some of you just enjoy something good for a welcome change?

your right mono, right up til someone wanted to kick someone whilst they're down. & its now tainted the goodwill in this thread.