Gold Coast Drug Culture

[daisycutter 29,613]

once a k.hunt, always a k.hunt

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

once a k.hunt, always a k.hunt

Maybe. But don't be too surprised if we happen to have one or two of those in our team.

Young men + boredom + plenty of cash = trouble. Being a mighty demon does not immunise you from that.

[faultydet 7,594]

Clubs have the ability to set standards of behaviour and have excellent compliance from their players on all manner of issues. Look back to the 60's and 70's and smoking and drinking footballers were not uncommon. I think it was Brent Crosswell who had a tete a tete with Ron Barassi over his mandatory halftime smoke. Gold Coast clearly don't have inside tabs on what their players are doing off the field, but a huge part of this problem is the criminality of the substances they've taken (cocaine, as K.Hunt is spilling the beans over). They're already underground, and thus an industry of concealment already exists.

In this way, I think football clubs show something of society in general. Some people want to take drugs, then do and continue, or stop completely, or with certain drugs become casual users. No drug is exceptional to this. They will ALWAYS be available, and there will ALWAYS be a market for them. Prohibition DOES NOT work, and never will. De-criminalise all drugs, and the problem is approached in a whole new, more realistic, and constructive way. It seems a radical idea only because drugs are associated with criminality/moral breakdown, and none of us have known anything else. The idea provokes such wild reactions of horror from some that it's yet to be seriously discussed in this country. There is a very smart and growing list of people advocating for it now, so it will happen, but not for a while methinks. Most importantly, for young moneyed footballers, drugs will lose the lure of the illicit, the dangers of criminal association, and introduce an acceptance of the reality which clubs can address more openly, such as with alcohol.

An inaccurate, and delusional post.

The fact that such drugs are illegal, is EXACTLY the reason why many young people never go near the stuff.

Of course being illegal wont stop many. There are idiots and losers everywhere.. It still helps to prevent so many young and old from trying the garbage.

Do you include the Greens on your list of the "smart" people advocating legalisation? Lunatics one and all.

And you think it will happen? really? ALL drugs?

Not in your lifetime, or even your grandkids lifetimes.

[rjay 24,919]

Don't be surprised if some of those pontificating on this issue are also involved....

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

They should decriminalise these drugs and have them available from the govt for those who need them. Eg. for medicinal use, recovering addicts, etc. Licence required.

Having a licence from the govt = not cool. Would take away the attraction of the illicit. And heroin addicts would at least know that they are getting consistent quality if it's the govt supplying it instead of crims.

[Guest]

An inaccurate, and delusional post.

The fact that such drugs are illegal, is EXACTLY the reason why many young people never go near the stuff.

Of course being illegal wont stop many. There are idiots and losers everywhere.. It still helps to prevent so many young and old from trying the garbage.

Do you include the Greens on your list of the "smart" people advocating legalisation? Lunatics one and all.

And you think it will happen? really? ALL drugs?

Not in your lifetime, or even your grandkids lifetimes.

Don't agree with all of what Webber says but clearly in the case of some drugs criminalization has worsened the situation. In the cases of recreational drugs like weed, I don't see how punitive measures is helping anyone besides dealers who can then sell it for a price that would be above it's market value if it were in a supervised market and who pay no tax on their product.

Stuff like ice and heroin are different matters altogether. However, I don't believe 'punishing' the users is the way to go there either.

In regards to your observation that keeping drugs illegal keeps kids off them then I would suggest you head out into our regional areas and suburbs and see how accurate that is.

[daisycutter 29,613]

Don't be surprised if some of those pontificating on this issue are also involved....

virtually guaranteed. rjay. it's an old modus operandi

[chook fowler 19,458]

What a piece of work K.hunt is. Takes all that money and then blames the stress of changing codes for his drug use.

Arrogant [censored].

[rjay 24,919]

I can feel on AFL scapegoat coming up here...starting with the GC club and then an expendable player to take the wrap.

[Webber 10,465]

An inaccurate, and delusional post.

The fact that such drugs are illegal, is EXACTLY the reason why many young people never go near the stuff.

Of course being illegal wont stop many. There are idiots and losers everywhere.. It still helps to prevent so many young and old from trying the garbage.

Do you include the Greens on your list of the "smart" people advocating legalisation? Lunatics one and all.

And you think it will happen? really? ALL drugs?

Not in your lifetime, or even your grandkids lifetimes.

That's the kind of reaction I was talking about. There have been numerous studies into legalisation done, whereby certain geographically determined communities have had drugs decriminalised for periods of time. Mostly in Europe, notably in Scandinavia. The knee jerk fears of increased uptake in usage are unfounded. None of them showed increased drug usage. The two findings common to each example were dramatic decreases in crime, and drug related hospitalisation.

My opinion is not based your presumptuous notions of political bias, but on practical evidence. It's unarguable no matter how anathema it seem.

[Webber 10,465]

They should decriminalise these drugs and have them available from the govt for those who need them. Eg. for medicinal use, recovering addicts, etc. Licence required.

Having a licence from the govt = not cool. Would take away the attraction of the illicit. And heroin addicts would at least know that they are getting consistent quality if it's the govt supplying it instead of crims.

Yep. Isolated studies back this up. Reduction in crime is the first social consequence of decriminalisation.

[faultydet 7,594]

Don't agree with all of what Webber says but clearly in the case of some drugs criminalization has worsened the situation. In the cases of recreational drugs like weed, I don't see how punitive measures is helping anyone besides dealers who can then sell it for a price that would be above it's market value if it were in a supervised market and who pay no tax on their product.

Stuff like ice and heroin are different matters altogether. However, I don't believe 'punishing' the users is the way to go there either.

In regards to your observation that keeping drugs illegal keeps kids off them then I would suggest you head out into our regional areas and suburbs and see how accurate that is.

Yeah, sorry, I should have clarified my comments. I get my cranky up whenever I see people advocating the legalization of crystal meth etc...

The weed thing has been done to death, and its all but legal now, unless you have quantities that you cannot use yourself.

The heavy [censored], I would fight against until my last breath.

But as for your other argument, christ, why doesnt anyone read the sentence, and take its meaning? I never said it stops EVERYONE, but it clearly, and definitely stops many young people from using. That makes the law worth having. I will never submit to the "throw the hands in the air" argument, and say, because 1 person still uses, it should be decriminalized.

Why cant you people see that?

Edited June 28, 2015 by faultydet

[faultydet 7,594]

Yep. Isolated studies back this up. Reduction in crime is the first social consequence of decriminalisation.

All of the bad end games of drugs start with USEAGE.

Keep people off it, and the chances of crimes decrease, not increase. You can quote your "isolated" studies all you like, but a non user is always less risk than a user.

Do you really think that cheap, readily available, mind altering drugs are a good thing for our society?

Really?

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Edited June 28, 2015 by faultydet

[faultydet 7,594]

Sorry everyone, I can see that this is turning into a general thread.

Will refrain from posting on this subject here.

faulty

[monoccular 17,427]

Surprised this hasn't been brought up yet. Anyways a big revelation up sunny coast now according to this article.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/cocaine-confession-karmichael-hunt-reveals-footy-party-boy-lifestyle/story-fnpn118l-1227418144608

This club has seriously lost the plot. A big mistake right from the very start and it was always bound to happen when you put a bunch on teenagers up on the gold coast and expect them to be robots. Their mistake also was not getting enough senior heads into their playing group like the Giants did. I respect GAJ highly but he is not a leader and never was.

Still baffled why Gold Coast got a gig before Tasmania.

$$$ !!!

[Biffen 12,943]

Next time I go back to the Goldy I am gonna search out these brothers for a big night.

I think the last time I was there was in the early 90's.

Although,as they would bore me I most likely will not

I see no reason to return.

"Stefan" is a big name up there.

Always was.

[Webber 10,465]

All of the bad end games of drugs start with USEAGE.

Keep people off it, and the chances of crimes decrease, not increase. You can quote your "isolated" studies all you like, but a non user is always less risk than a user.

Do you really think that cheap, readily available, mind altering drugs are a good thing for our society?

Really?

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You can keep talking about non-usage being a consequence of illegality, but that is just not supported by facts. Decriminalisation does NOT increase usage in non users. Put another way, it DOESN'T make people take up drugs. I'm not suggesting that ice is not the most evil of all the reacreational drugs. It is. In a certain percentage of users it creates psychotic episodes which can end in horrific violence. Criminalisation doesn't change that, doesn't make it less available, doesn't stop people using it or taking it up. I wish it did. Decriminalise, regulate, tax, educate, rehabilitate.

[faultydet 7,594]

You can keep talking about non-usage being a consequence of illegality, but that is just not supported by facts. Decriminalisation does NOT increase usage in non users. Put another way, it DOESN'T make people take up drugs. I'm not suggesting that ice is not the most evil of all the reacreational drugs. It is. In a certain percentage of users it creates psychotic episodes which can end in horrific violence. Criminalisation doesn't change that, doesn't make it less available, doesn't stop people using it or taking it up. I wish it did. Decriminalise, regulate, tax, educate, rehabilitate.

I said I would post on this subject again, but what the hell, one last time wont hurt.

Readily available supplies of hard drugs, with no threat of penalty, will of course empower more people to give it a go.

"go on mate, its fine, its all legal. And its on $10 a hit, give it a go, my shout"

Lets say we will never agree, but I appreciate the reasoned reply.

[faultydet 7,594]

You can keep talking about non-usage being a consequence of illegality, but that is just not supported by facts. Decriminalisation does NOT increase usage in non users. Put another way, it DOESN'T make people take up drugs. I'm not suggesting that ice is not the most evil of all the reacreational drugs. It is. In a certain percentage of users it creates psychotic episodes which can end in horrific violence. Criminalisation doesn't change that, doesn't make it less available, doesn't stop people using it or taking it up. I wish it did. Decriminalise, regulate, tax, educate, rehabilitate.

oh, forgot to say. I reside for a large part of every year in Asia, and let me tell you, that the threat of jail, or having a lead pellet shot through my chest, provide me with enough reasons to stay away from the very very available hard drugs that I come across here. Very cheap, available for home delivery, and very potent.

Not for me.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

All of the bad end games of drugs start with USEAGE.

Keep people off it, and the chances of crimes decrease, not increase. You can quote your "isolated" studies all you like, but a non user is always less risk than a user.

Do you really think that cheap, readily available, mind altering drugs are a good thing for our society?

Really?

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1. And yet people keep starting to use drugs. Why is that?

2. Who said that cheap, readily available, mind altering drugs are a good thing for our society? Or any variation of that statement.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

oh, forgot to say. I reside for a large part of every year in Asia, and let me tell you, that the threat of jail, or having a lead pellet shot through my chest, provide me with enough reasons to stay away from the very very available hard drugs that I come across here. Very cheap, available for home delivery, and very potent.

Not for me.

So the strong deterrent obviously hasn't stopped everyone from staying away from hard drugs ... that are very cheap and very potent. Why is that?

[daisycutter 29,613]

So the strong deterrent obviously hasn't stopped everyone from staying away from hard drugs ... that are very cheap and very potent. Why is that?

the deterrent isn't strong enough?

people are dumb?

dealers are smart?

society has degenerated?

no fear of [favourite deity]?

communist plot?

drugs are good?

[Soidee 1,496]

Drug taking culture in Australia is a national shame as is our domestic violence culture, as is our gambling culture, as is our booze culture......now we export the best parts of our culture to places like Bali and Phuket.

Demand for illicit drugs in Australia per head of capita is number one in the western world .....wow what a proud achievement that is NOT!

Meanwhile, those of us who actually pay taxes carry the burden of looking after irresponsible tools who get into trouble and use the health system because the want to be part of the drug culture.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Clubs have the ability to set standards of behaviour and have excellent compliance from their players on all manner of issues. Look back to the 60's and 70's and smoking and drinking footballers were not uncommon. I think it was Brent Crosswell who had a tete a tete with Ron Barassi over his mandatory halftime smoke. Gold Coast clearly don't have inside tabs on what their players are doing off the field, but a huge part of this problem is the criminality of the substances they've taken (cocaine, as K.Hunt is spilling the beans over). They're already underground, and thus an industry of concealment already exists.

In this way, I think football clubs show something of society in general. Some people want to take drugs, then do and continue, or stop completely, or with certain drugs become casual users. No drug is exceptional to this. They will ALWAYS be available, and there will ALWAYS be a market for them. Prohibition DOES NOT work, and never will. De-criminalise all drugs, and the problem is approached in a whole new, more realistic, and constructive way. It seems a radical idea only because drugs are associated with criminality/moral breakdown, and none of us have known anything else. The idea provokes such wild reactions of horror from some that it's yet to be seriously discussed in this country. There is a very smart and growing list of people advocating for it now, so it will happen, but not for a while methinks. Most importantly, for young moneyed footballers, drugs will lose the lure of the illicit, the dangers of criminal association, and introduce an acceptance of the reality which clubs can address more openly, such as with alcohol.

I actually think your on the money here. Portugal decriminalized all drugs in 2001. The results have been outstanding.

http://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening

[faultydet 7,594]

1. And yet people keep starting to use drugs. Why is that?

2. Who said that cheap, readily available, mind altering drugs are a good thing for our society? Or any variation of that statement.

Tell me what part of "decriminalize all drugs" says they are a bad thing? Legal, means not bad. Acceptable, ok.

People do not just take up drugs because they are illegal, and they want to be "bad" All sorts of reasons why people take them up, and turn into druggo losers, who are a burden on society.

Users will always find an argument in support of legalisation.

Are you a user?

Edited June 28, 2015 by faultydet