THE SAGA CONTINUES - WADA APPEALS

[beelzebub 22,225]

2 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

Yes a business acquaintance of mine claims to know him very well and says the threat to take the AFL to court was all bluff. The Essendon hierarchy all knew what position they were in and Hird, Reid and co. just tried to bluster their way out of it. And are still doing so.

The whole Windy Hill mob have played the AFL quite well.  The AFL have tangled themselves up totally  in attempting to play this cute.

Both will start coming unstuck quite soon.

[jnrmac 18,948]

maybe but at what cost to the club?

 

Compare that with what some here were advocating when we were charged with tanking. Yuo are unlikely to win when fighting with City Hall. Best to make a strategic withdrawal..and live to fight another day. 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2015 by jnrmac

[Chris 2,892]

11 hours ago, jnrmac said:

So remind me again why the club doctor is still practising medicine let alone be allowed to be near a team of young men??

He has failed so much at so many levels. He is just a Hird fanboi.

That is a mystery to all of us, especially with work cover saying they were running an unsafe workplace that he had responsibility for. Very odd. 

[Chris 2,892]

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

Chris, these young men are tech savvy. ASADA recommends checking with their site. You enter the questionable substance and the site tells you if it is illegal or not then gives you a response number to record that you have obtained the information. Why would none of the 34 have followed recommended procedure and checked if the substance was legal? (Rhetorical) They new they were cheating and chose to stay quiet.  

They may be tech savvy but they may not be too bright. They are also brainwashed by the AFL culture to trust the club, they are explicitly told to do so when they are told to check with the doc about the banned status. ASADA may say one thing but the players are fooled into thinking the club has their best interests at heart. I don't think many of them would have been clever enough to know when to question things, that is no excuse but it would be the case with many of them. 

[beelzebub 22,225]

What is it they say about Ignorance and Excuses !

[ManDee 7,076]

58 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

What is it they say about Ignorance and Excuses !

 

I'll play,

 

Ignorantia juris non excusat

 

[Chris 2,892]

23 minutes ago, ManDee said:

 

I'll play,

 

Ignorantia juris non excusat

 

Not the latin again! We dodged the MJ references yesterday, hopefully we can dodge this today.

[daisycutter 28,485]

17 minutes ago, Chris said:

Not the latin again! We dodged the MJ references yesterday, hopefully we can dodge this today.

ok chris, as you are sick of latin, how about 

η άγνοια του νόμου δεν αποτελεί δικαιολογία

[Chris 2,892]

26 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

ok chris, as you are sick of latin, how about 

 

I prefer my language the way I like my lamb!

Хууль мэдэхгүй ямар ч шалтаг байна

[daisycutter 28,485]

2 minutes ago, Chris said:

I prefer my language the way I like my lamb!

Хууль мэдэхгүй ямар ч шалтаг байна

ah, i can see why you like lamb, Krystofyer or do you prefer-Кристофер 

[beelzebub 22,225]

It's the off season isn't it !! 

[Dees2014 2,377]

22 hours ago, binman said:

Not wanting to pick a fight, honestly, but whilst you may have good sources as far as i can recall nothing that has happened thus far in the EFC supplement saga indicates your sources have been spot on. I mean you certainly have pontificated alot and mentioned your highly placed sources often enough but as far i can tell what has actually transpired thus far has been predictable and in fact has been accurately predicted by many on this thread who have not claimed such sources. 

Happy to be corrected

All I can say there are about a dozen key turning points in this saga all of which were speculated about on here and about which I have written extensively.  Check the record for yourself if you don't believe me. I won't bore you all be listing them, but I am happy to stand on my record.

[binman 37,966]

1 hour ago, Dees2014 said:

All I can say there are about a dozen key turning points in this saga all of which were speculated about on here and about which I have written extensively.  Check the record for yourself if you don't believe me. I won't bore you all be listing them, but I am happy to stand on my record.

Happy to be bored. Perhaps list just one specific example that provides evidence of your sources being 'spot on'. 

I have read a fair bit of what you have written on this subject so don't feel the need to 'check the record'.

 

 

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

3 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

All I can say there are about a dozen key turning points in this saga all of which were speculated about on here and about which I have written extensively.  Check the record for yourself if you don't believe me. I won't bore you all be listing them, but I am happy to stand on my record.

I think you are dodging binman's question.  While you may written extensively on many points, binman was asking about how often the predictions from your sources actually eventuated or were different to predictions made by others on DL.  I have also followed your writings closely and while I can think of a few of those predictions that didn't eventuate I can't think of any that did. 

[Dees2014 2,377]

30 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I think you are dodging binman's question.  While you may written extensively on many points, binman was asking about how often the predictions from your sources actually eventuated or were different to predictions made by others on DL.  I have also followed your writings closely and while I can think of a few of those predictions that didn't eventuate I can't think of any that did. 

Happy to, but frankly have a full day at the office. Will try to when I get time.

[sendoff2014 18]

3 hours ago, binman said:

Happy to be bored. Perhaps list just one specific example that provides evidence of your sources being 'spot on'. 

I have read a fair bit of what you have written on this subject so don't feel the need to 'check the record'.

 

 

Take my word for it. As someone who comes here to speak with Dees2014 and read his stuff, he has predicted everything that has happened, both the predictable things and the unpredictable things. He's reported things that will happen so far in advance that when it actually happens, people have forgotten he said it was happening. 

 

As vague as that sounds, I'm not going to waste time listing everything he's predicted, but if you want something of note that he predicted, find something unexpected that happened in the case, go back to 5-6 months before it actually happened and find Dees2014's posts and it'll be somewhere near there. 

[hemingway 7,589]

23 hours ago, beelzebub said:

You do realise they're cheats. You'd have them prosper?

What about the non-cheaters ?

BBub, I take my hat off to you for your tenacity, persistence and consistency in prosecuting your argument. I ran out of puff a long time ago but you are one to have in the trenches. I have not agreed with all your comments, but your position remains steadfast and for that you have my admiration. 

[monoccular 16,042]

12 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

Yes a business acquaintance of mine claims to know him very well and says the threat to take the AFL to court was all bluff. The Essendon hierarchy all knew what position they were in and Hird, Reid and co. just tried to bluster their way out of it. And are still doing so.

None of that absolves AHPRA from doing their duty and at least interviewing Reid.  They chickened out.  

 

[beelzebub 22,225]

2 minutes ago, monoccular said:

None of that absolves AHPRA from doing their duty and at least interviewing Reid.  They chickened out.  

 

you could throw the RACGP in with them also !

[monoccular 16,042]

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

you could throw the RACGP in with them also !

I din not know that Reid was a FRACGP.  And, they are not the regulatory / registering body.

[hemingway 7,589]

5 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

you could throw the RACGP in with them also !

Not their role BB, in fact many GPs are not members of RACGP. It is AHPRAs role however. In most cases AHPRA will only investigate after a complaint by another member of the medical profession or an aggrieved patient who in this case could be an aggrieved footballer or ex footballer. 

[beelzebub 22,225]

7 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Not their role BB, in fact many GPs are not members of RACGP. It is AHPRAs role however. In most cases AHPRA will only investigate after a complaint by another member of the medical profession or an aggrieved patient who in this case could be an aggrieved footballer or ex footballer. 

Interesting.. I would have thought that since he still maintains a practice that he would still fall( somewhere ) under their umbrella.

I sit corrected.

[Mazer Rackham 14,969]

AHPRA are not the "doctor police". They are the "doctor watchdogpussycat".

[binman 37,966]

4 hours ago, sendoff2014 said:

Take my word for it. As someone who comes here to speak with Dees2014 and read his stuff, he has predicted everything that has happened, both the predictable things and the unpredictable things. He's reported things that will happen so far in advance that when it actually happens, people have forgotten he said it was happening. 

As vague as that sounds, I'm not going to waste time listing everything he's predicted, but if you want something of note that he predicted, find something unexpected that happened in the case, go back to 5-6 months before it actually happened and find Dees2014's posts and it'll be somewhere near there. 

And who said satire is dead.

Brilliant.

[hemingway 7,589]

34 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

AHPRA are not the "doctor police". They are the "doctor watchdogpussycat".

 

34 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

AHPRA are not the "doctor police". They are the "doctor watchdogpussycat".

You are entitled to your opinion Ted but that is not my experience.