The Incredible Hulk - Jesse Hogan

[Wiseblood 24,636]

If we were to sign him up to an extension at the end of the year as it was alluded to in the HUN article, well, I think I would shed tears of joy, excitement and relief.

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

If we were to sign him up to an extension at the end of the year as it was alluded to in the HUN article, well, I think I would shed tears of joy, excitement and relief.

...and shed the 'veil of negativity'!?

[jumbo returns 6,484]

We better make sure he has a good sit-down with you before he signs then, and if you're not happy we'll tell him we don't want him

Putting aside your atypical, simplistic sarcastic response, you'd love him running around, not putting in?

And believe me, when a player's gone, he's gone...look at Frawley and Howe.

But if you don't understand that, I can't help you.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

...and shed the 'veil of negativity'!?

I've never really had one LH (even though I know you only brought it up in reference to Roosy). I always believe in some way that we can win any game we play. Ridiculous, yes, but I can't approach our games in any other way.

Hogan signing on until, say, 2019 or 2020 would be one of the biggest shows of faith in our club in a long, long time. I would literally sob tears of joy for hours.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Putting aside your atypical, simplistic sarcastic response, you'd love him running around, not putting in?

And believe me, when a player's gone, he's gone...look at Frawley and Howe.

But if you don't understand that, I can't help you.

It's just a stupid thing to say - why would you question his future level of effort based on absolutely nothing, and even if your point has some merit, what are you actually suggesting we do? Sit him down for some sort of psychological analysis or make him pinky swear..or what? Obviosuly the bloke is in a position to command a huge pay packet and if we want to keep him we will have to match it - I just don't get why you are inventing some sort of concern about him not putting in after he signs, just a thing you made up to throw in the mix for some reason

[KingDingAling 3,589]

I wouldn't sell the house to retain Hogan (as some suggest we do). Instead, I would sell the house to get in Dangerfield, or a player of similar ilk - although there aren't many. The emphasis shouldn't be on Hogan as a savior, but instead, we should concentrate on building a side he wants to be a part of. Hogan isn't going to save the MFC, but a quality midfield supply, and Jesse Hogan, will go along way to improving this football club. If the club is considering locking Hogan in on a massive contract, then my advice would be not to. Instead, we should focus on scouting quality, elite midfielders. If we can do that, Jesse's decision to stay at this club won't be a hard one.

Edited August 29, 2015 by KingDingAling

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I wouldn't sell the house to retain Hogan (as some suggest we do). Instead, I would sell the house to get in Dangerfield, or a player of similar ilk - although there aren't many. The emphasis shouldn't be on Hogan as a savior, but instead, we should concentrate on building a side he wants to be a part of. Hogan isn't going to save the MFC, but a quality midfield supply, and Jesse Hogan, will go along way to improving this football club. If the club is considering locking Hogan in on a massive contract, then my advice would be not to. Instead, we should focus on scouting quality, elite midfielders. If we can do that, Jesse's decision to stay at this club won't be a hard one.

Worst advice ever. If we don't give him a banner deal then someone else will and he will walk. Then we can watch him destroy the comp for a decade in someone else's colours.

[Demon Dynasty 15,211]

I wouldn't sell the house to retain Hogan (as some suggest we do). Instead, I would sell the house to get in Dangerfield, or a player of similar ilk - although there aren't many. The emphasis shouldn't be on Hogan as a savior, but instead, we should concentrate on building a side he wants to be a part of. Hogan isn't going to save the MFC, but a quality midfield supply, and Jesse Hogan, will go along way to improving this football club. If the club is considering locking Hogan in on a massive contract, then my advice would be not to. Instead, we should focus on scouting quality, elite midfielders. If we can do that, Jesse's decision to stay at this club won't be a hard one.

Nice King. But I'm going to disagree with you on one point.

If we get a quality mid field, with grunt, Hogan might go a long way towards saving the MFC. Personally I wld try & do both

Edited August 29, 2015 by Rusty Nails

[dazzledavey36 48,647]

I wouldn't sell the house to retain Hogan (as some suggest we do). Instead, I would sell the house to get in Dangerfield, or a player of similar ilk - although there aren't many. The emphasis shouldn't be on Hogan as a savior, but instead, we should concentrate on building a side he wants to be a part of. Hogan isn't going to save the MFC, but a quality midfield supply, and Jesse Hogan, will go along way to improving this football club. If the club is considering locking Hogan in on a massive contract, then my advice would be not to. Instead, we should focus on scouting quality, elite midfielders. If we can do that, Jesse's decision to stay at this club won't be a hard one.

Yeah nah..

[Willmoy1947 3,762]

Hey not all footballers are greedy pr**ks.

The Hun starts this rubbish because they are pl**ks

[jumbo returns 6,484]

It's just a stupid thing to say - why would you question his future level of effort based on absolutely nothing, and even if your point has some merit, what are you actually suggesting we do? Sit him down for some sort of psychological analysis or make him pinky swear..or what? Obviosuly the bloke is in a position to command a huge pay packet and if we want to keep him we will have to match it - I just don't get why you are inventing some sort of concern about him not putting in after he signs, just a thing you made up to throw in the mix for some reason

Again, you've missed the deeper emphasis.

Someone, one day, has to say, 'yep....I'll sign on and lead this club out of its fog'

Is there anything wrong with that?

Edited August 29, 2015 by jumbo returns

[Chook 14,406]

Again, you've missed the deeper emphasis.

Someone, one day, has to say, 'yep....I'll sign on and lead this club out of its fog'

Is there anything wrong with that?

Actually, no they don’t. That’s the point.

[Binmans PA 25,899]

Reckon Hogan will stay put for the forseeable future. He'll be with us until at least 2020, IMO. If we can have a sustained period of success anywhere during that time, he'll remain a demon for life.

I get that we need to win games and climb the ladder to retain him, but we'll be knocking on the door of the 8 next year, in his second full season, and he'll be playing finals by his third season. He'd take that I reckon.

Edited August 29, 2015 by AdamFarr

[rpfc 27,391]

Getting a deal done before the new TV deal landscape changes is the perfect time to do it because a huge pay day will be immediately alleviated when the cap goes up.

It will move from $10.2 to at least $13m or $14m over one or two years I think, especially if the AFLPA get a percentage share that they gag for. So suddenly Hogan at $1m a year over 5 years goes from 10% of the cap to nearly half that as the cap progressively increases.

One thing to note - I think that the TV money will mean that all players get more money but the largest increases will be for the ~50 best and most important players.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Fyfe, Walters, Neale and their first draft picks for seven years.

...and their first born children for the next 10..

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Getting a deal done before the new TV deal landscape changes is the perfect time to do it because a huge pay day will be immediately alleviated when the cap goes up.

It will move from $10.2 to at least $13m or $14m over one or two years I think, especially if the AFLPA get a percentage share that they gag for. So suddenly Hogan at $1m a year over 5 years goes from 10% of the cap to nearly half that as the cap progressively increases.

One thing to note - I think that the TV money will mean that all players get more money but the largest increases will be for the ~50 best and most important players.

Thing is though, unless his management are complete dullards, they will be aware of this also and this will create relunctancy for them to0 sign a long term deal. They will be smart enough to know to limit his commitment for another 2-3 years, then really go for the gold after that. In other words, we wil have to keep worrying about losing him. On the positive side, at least we won't have blown millions of dollars if he does his back or something like all of our superstars end up doing.

[praha 10,267]

I wouldn't sell the house to retain Hogan (as some suggest we do). Instead, I would sell the house to get in Dangerfield, or a player of similar ilk - although there aren't many. The emphasis shouldn't be on Hogan as a savior, but instead, we should concentrate on building a side he wants to be a part of. Hogan isn't going to save the MFC, but a quality midfield supply, and Jesse Hogan, will go along way to improving this football club. If the club is considering locking Hogan in on a massive contract, then my advice would be not to. Instead, we should focus on scouting quality, elite midfielders. If we can do that, Jesse's decision to stay at this club won't be a hard one.

So you'd sell the house for a midfielder, of which there are many in the league and are far easier to develop and mould into stars, but you wouldn't for a once-in-a-generation forward that already has the awareness and competitiveness of a 10-year player?

Edited August 30, 2015 by praha

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

So you'd sell the house for a midfielder, of which there are many in the league and are far easier to develop and mould into stars, but you wouldn't for a once-in-a-generation forward that already has the awareness and competitiveness of a 10-year player?

Agreed. Madness.

There are only about 12 players in the comp who even qualify for that monster KPF goalkicker category, and Hogan looks like he could be the #1 some day

Yet there are what, at least 50 great midfielders at one time in the comp

[Dwight Schrute 16,722]

I'll make a massive call here, Jesse Hogan is the most important person to the MFC in terms of retaining that I've seen in my time, we want out of the nightmare, it starts with locking him up long term, Brayshaw, Salem, Petracca and co will develop into a good midfield but Hogan is the type of player that wins you premierships.

[What 18,810]

I cant believe some posters ae complaining about his 'body language' and'yelling at teammates'.

I know its rare to have a player at the MFC that demands the best out of everyone and doesn't accept second best, but still...

Wayne Carey, Jonathan Brown, Dermott Brereton, Tony Lockett .. they all had what Jesse has. Anyone that has an issue with how Jesse carries himself doesn't know what greatness looks like.

Edited August 30, 2015 by hogans_heroes

[deanox 8,516]

An extension until 2019 is enough for me. It ends any short term speculation. If we haven't come good (and by that i mean be regulaly competitive and playing a final or two) by the end of 2017, Goodwin is going to be under serious pressure in 2018. To have Hogan locked in for 2019 will mean over less distraction that year.

If we aren't challanging in 2019, Hogan may as well go and so should we.

Pumped by this article!

[Gator 16,891]

I'll make a massive call here, Jesse Hogan is the most important person to the MFC in terms of retaining that I've seen in my time, we want out of the nightmare, it starts with locking him up long term, Brayshaw, Salem, Petracca and co will develop into a good midfield but Hogan is the type of player that wins you premierships.

It's far from a massive call.

It's just plain sense.

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

Tom Pretoro from Jesse's management company was just interviewed on SEN and said they will sit down with the Dees during the summer to discuss his contract.

He went on to say that 'Jesse will be part of Melbourne's future for a long time to come.'

Almost form the horse's mouth!

Edited September 2, 2015 by Lucifer's Hero

[Tall Timber 48]

In all interviews I've seen and read Jesse has come across as being of extremely strong character thanks to his family.

Because of this I can't see him ever 'quitting his job' for a similar one closer to home ie. being wooed home to join Freo or Franchise. If anything I think he's a better chance of moving overseas to play for bigger money and opportunity, which is inconceivable.

[Gorgoroth 12,307]

Tom Pretoro from Jesse's management company was just interviewed on SEN and said they will sit down with the Dees during the summer to discuss his contract.

He went on to say that 'Jesse will be part of Melbourne's future for a long time to come.'

Almost form the horse's mouth!

I just raised a tent... I'm on a vline train...

The the other passengers... You should be excited too!!!