Jump to content

Discussion on recent allegations about the use of illicit drugs in football is forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


The Incredible Hulk - Jesse Hogan


McQueen

Recommended Posts

52 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

It's delusions.  If you're going to troll you could at least look like you know what you're talking about.

Ah, no clown,  an illusion is an idea or belief that is not true

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

No  Ill bloody well judge him on what hes supposed to be doing kick goals...and in the open hes not that marvelous at it and had no consistency.  Hes really good at involving himself in the game . His subtle pays are gold but his goal kicking  meh . 

None of his "points " were unachievable as goals ....I offer evidence in one JW. He can kick

but everyone here said leave him alone, his [censored] kicking action is effective and his conversion rate is excellent - [censored] lol

someone better start teaching him how to re-wire his technique and kick like a footballer

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, gOLLy said:

The Hogan's hero's segment at one of the breaks is a absolute disgrace.

They need to get guys without the beer gut who can actually get off the ground to take the specky.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

23 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said:

He is not a FF.  He is a CHF

Sam Weideman should be our FF

Tend to agree, always seems to play better when up the ground

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

34 minutes ago, loges said:

Tend to agree, always seems to play better when up the ground

yes but he cant kick goals from more than 35 metres out...look at his numbers... and he's honest not breathtaking around the ground.

Anyway he and Wattsy will be at Freo so it doesnt really matter

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Ted Fidge said:

The run up is different every single time. His ball drop is variable because of it. He needs to come in off 5 or 7 paces instead of a Wes Hall pushing off the sightscreen run up.

His amount of steps, stuttering and veering out to the right is different almost each shot. You can't expect to be kicking accurately when it differs so much, surely he and the coaches will work heavily on this?

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites


7 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I know what an illusion is.  You don't know what a delusion is.

The saying is 'delusions of grandeur.'  Go and look it up if you need to.  

Whose the clown now?

Game, set, match, Wiseblood :)

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 hours ago, beelzebub said:

makes you wonder iin a sense ( perhaps not ) why our post Neeld  recruiting team have targeted some decent forwards who CAN kick

Maybe Hogans future isnt as we think

I'm annoyed at his kicking the last couple of weeks, but he will still be an absolute gun. Hopefully with us, not Fremantle.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Django said:

I'm annoyed at his kicking the last couple of weeks, but he will still be an absolute gun. Hopefully with us, not Fremantle.

Ah, so do I but many here supposed, not without good cause, that JH was to be our Ff..goal kicker of the century. 

I'm not of this thinking as such. He seems far happier and productive when he comes up the ground. Far better suited as a CHF who can, dare I say it play through the guts also. I don't think he should be caged in the square sts.  Next season, or possibly later this one Weed may get a run and then I think we'll see a whole new dynamic build. Hogan, Weed and Watts. Can't wait.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 hours ago, Django said:

2.6 over two weeks isn't good enough from any forward. Kicking needs work, or something is off. He kicked 7.1 only a couple of weeks ago.

Those are some Cloke level stats right there.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fix the set shot routine. The Ox was on the money. To those who say his ratio goals to behinds (which doesn't include oob) is ok, I say it would be much better with a straight, smooth approach. Yesterday is was laughable. All the great right foot kpf's throughout the last 40 years had a smooth straight approach, and I don't include JKennedy in that club. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Fix the set shot routine. The Ox was on the money. To those who say his ratio goals to behinds (which doesn't include oob) is ok, I say it would be much better with a straight, smooth approach. Yesterday is was laughable. All the great right foot kpf's throughout the last 40 years had a smooth straight approach, and I don't include JKennedy in that club. 

Kennedy has the added advantage he can really roost it.  Hogan outside 40 is touch and go to make the distance from a set shot though on the run he has no problems.

Edited by america de cali
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

People continuously overlook the fact that he is left-hand dominant, (Tasks/activities with his left hand. Eg; Playing tennis, writing, drinking tea, shaking hands etc).

However, weirdly enough he is right-foot dominant. 

That is a [censored] up of hemispheres and I'm sure this makes it extremely difficult for the brain to make his set-shot routine look 'smooth'.

If people knew that, they wouldn't bang on about it. And I wish commentators would get the mail on this too because it's becoming infuriating. 

His run up is what it is and if he feels most comfortable kicking this way, then he should be left to it. Especially given the uniqueness of having two opposing limbs that are dominant.

We all know he lacks penetration. But that's always been the case and I don't think he'll ever change that significantly. 

 

 

Edited by stevethemanjordan
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, stevethemanjordan said:

People continuously overlook the fact that he is left-hand dominant, (Tasks/activities with his left hand. Eg; Playing tennis, writing, drinking tea, shaking hands etc).

However, weirdly enough he is right-foot dominant. 

That is a [censored] up of hemispheres and I'm sure this makes it extremely difficult for the brain to make his set-shot routine look 'smooth'.

If people knew that, they wouldn't bang on about it. And I wish commentators would get the mail on this too because it's becoming infuriating. 

His run up is what it is and if he feels most comfortable kicking this way, then he should be left to it. Especially given the uniqueness of having two opposing limbs that are dominant.

We all know he lacks penetration. But that's always been the case and I don't think he'll even change that significantly. 

 

 

problem is steve, he obviously doesn't feel comfortable with it, that is plain to see

whatever the reason (excuse?) it needs to be fixed. he doesn't have the problem on the run

so, stop making excuses and accept it is a real problem that needs serious work or he will be destined to fall short of his potential, which no-one wants to see

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

People continuously overlook the fact that he is left-hand dominant, (Tasks/activities with his left hand. Eg; Playing tennis, writing, drinking tea, shaking hands etc).

However, weirdly enough he is right-foot dominant. 

That is a [censored] up of hemispheres and I'm sure this makes it extremely difficult for the brain to make his set-shot routine look 'smooth'.

If people knew that, they wouldn't bang on about it. And I wish commentators would get the mail on this too because it's becoming infuriating. 

His run up is what it is and if he feels most comfortable kicking this way, then he should be left to it. Especially given the uniqueness of having two opposing limbs that are dominant.

We all know he lacks penetration. But that's always been the case and I don't think he'll even change that significantly. 

 

 

Big deal.

So was Flower and countless others.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

problem is steve, he obviously doesn't feel comfortable with it, that is plain to see

whatever the reason (excuse?) it needs to be fixed. he doesn't have the problem on the run

so, stop making excuses and accept it is a real problem that needs serious work or he will be destined to fall short of his potential, which no-one wants to see

Excuses?

Mate, everyone has a little more penetration on the run. But a set shot is not an on the run kick and Hogan has always lacked penetration.

He can kick 50 if he runs around on a slight arc but you minimise your chances of making sweet contact if you do that which is why sometimes he doesn't get the distance.

But in general, he is not a booming kick.

How can you say he doesn't feel comfortable with that routine if it's the one he's had since coming to the club? Do you mean to say that you don't feel comfortable with it? 

That would make more sense.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I know he's only a young kid, but if he kicks those goals early yesterday, who knows. I feel he would have last year. 

Given the limited opportunities we had, we simply needed to dob the easy ones and he had a couple of them yesterday and missed. It's such a psychological blow. You feel like you're working so hard to create scoring chances and when you finally do, your gun CHF misses very gettable shots multiple times.

Scoreboard pressure is a wonderful thing. It's also a big momentum driver. This is where I see the improvement coming in the next few years. In 12-18 months, Hogan would be grabbing that game by the scruff of the neck (ala Stringer) and influencing the game in a big, big way. That's what stars do. I'd hope your Oliver's, Viney's and Petracca's are also capable. Not sure a Nathan Jones is. At least, against really top opposition.

You could tell pretty early on yesterday that we weren't on and so often when this is the case, we'll fall over, fumble, run into each other, take the wrong option and generally the luck doesn't go our way. It was just one of those days, but it clearly defined for me where we're at. There's simply too much inexperience and as Roos said, we need about 15 or 16 players playing well for us to win. We're not there yet and we won't be this year. But that's not to say we won't win 10-12 games though and finish on the cusp of the 8.

Edited by AdamFarr
  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

31 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

People continuously overlook the fact that he is left-hand dominant, (Tasks/activities with his left hand. Eg; Playing tennis, writing, drinking tea, shaking hands etc).

However, weirdly enough he is right-foot dominant. 

That is a [censored] up of hemispheres and I'm sure this makes it extremely difficult for the brain to make his set-shot routine look 'smooth'.

If people knew that, they wouldn't bang on about it. And I wish commentators would get the mail on this too because it's becoming infuriating. 

His run up is what it is and if he feels most comfortable kicking this way, then he should be left to it. Especially given the uniqueness of having two opposing limbs that are dominant.

We all know he lacks penetration. But that's always been the case and I don't think he'll even change that significantly. 

 

 

Interesting.

Is this why he seems to circle the ball over both feet at different points in his run-up? Sometimes I can't tell which foot he's actually going to use.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, Choke said:

Interesting.

Is this why he seems to circle the ball over both feet at different points in his run-up? Sometimes I can't tell which foot he's actually going to use.

The ball is always positioned more favourably in his left hand on his approach which is what makes it look like he's left-footed. He also takes his first step with his left foot, (I think).

It's unorthodox, but works for him. The last few steps and then the ball drop are usually fine. It's everything before that, that looks like a mess.

Edited by stevethemanjordan
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all.    On that rainy Friday night at the Adelaide Oval, Ken Hinkley’s young midfield secured much more than four points on offer. The victory over one of the big dogs of the competition after a succession of wins over some of its lesser lights gave his team respect and validation fo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Monday 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training. DEMON DYNASTY'S TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Kade Chandler's left knee heavily strapped. BBB, Spargs & Jake Lever also in rehab group. Jake Bowey solo running separate kicking/sprint/agility drills. Super fine morning / early arvo at Gosch's for the boys to blow out some cobwebs. Choco initially had the light duties / rehab group

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter. By the time they worked out it was game on, their opponents from Box Hill had accumulated five goals and, if the game wasn’t over, it might as well have been. For a se

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head. The Demons have now won nine of their last ten encounters with the other result, a draw.     And like a fork, it was the multi-pronged options that Melbourne had all across the ground.  It certainly helped that Hawthorn

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 8

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in the Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 262

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 25th March @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons victory at the MCG against the Hawks in the Round 02. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 46

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 50

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 357

    GAMEDAY: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 437
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 03

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 03 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 03

  • Match Preview      

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 27

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The boys dissected the clinical thrashing of Hawks praising the immense performance of Christian Petracca whilst lamenting the injury toll to our defensive unit ... LISTEN

    Demonland | March 26

  • Training  

    Monday, 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • Casey Report      

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head out on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 28

  • Match Report      

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Round 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Training  

    Friday, 22nd March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin and I attended the Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock on this lovely sunny morning to bring you the following observations from the training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 22

  • Training  

    Tuesday, 19th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin & Walking Civil War attended Tuesday morning's training session at Gosch's Paddock to bring you the following observations ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 19

  • Training  

    Saturday, 16th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Dee Zephyr wandered down to Gosch's Paddock on Saturday morning to bring you their observations from the Captain's Run in the lead up to Sunday's Round One match against the Bulldogs ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 16

  • Farewell  

    Angus Brayshaw Retires

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland ... READ MORE

    Demonland | February 22

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 03

       vs   

    Saturday 30th March 2024
    @ 07:30pm (AO)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Jake Lever Knee Test
    Clayton Oliver Hand Test
    Oliver Sestan Concussion Test
    Steven May Ribs 1 Week
    Lachie Hunter Calf 1 Week
    Daniel Turner Hip 2-3 Weeks
    Charlie Spargo Achilles 2-4 Weeks
    Shane McAdam Hamstring 3-5 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 7 Weeks
    Jake Melksham ACL 12-14 Weeks
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Christian Petracca 27
    2 Steven May 25
    3 Max Gawn 21
    4 Jack Viney 20
    5 Bayley Fritsch 19
    6 Clayton Oliver 18
    7 Christian Salem 12
    8 Blake Howes 11
    9 Jack Billings 10
    9 Alex Neal-Bullen 10

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...