Lay off Jack Watts...

[Frosty Demon 153]

Read it again, I said it's NOT because he can torp it into the centre of the G.

Aside from that, I like Watts. But I can't stand people who pump him up to be someone or something he isn't yet good on you for standing up for him but at last say it like it is Watts has been the weekest link in our team on so many occasions and yet he is still gifted a game each week, yes he has good skills, but good teams like Hawthorn, Sydney etc would not have him because he lacks......

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What does he lack.......

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Hardness & competitiveness !!!!!!!!

And he is not one of our most skilful and loyal players.

You shouldn't try to argue with Hardtack I think he's related to Watts or its his mother.

[hardtack 10,537]

You shouldn't try to argue with Hardtack I think he's related to Watts or its his mother.

Dad let you on his PC did he FD? That's nice.

[hardtack 10,537]

The point is that he is not one of our most loyal players, which was the original statement, he is neither the least or the most loyal and so, his name should not be associated with the term.

As I already asked, in what way is his loyalty in question?

[Radar Detector 1,347]

Where did you get the second fact from, and what were his stats last year??

AFL website stats page.

22 games, 385 disposals (17.5 per game), 80% efficiency. That disposal efficiency is elite.

[Frosty Demon 153]

Dad let you on his PC did he FD? That's nice.

Nah if I was young enough I could work out how to put up an image like yours.

You spooning with Wattsy again tonight?

[Henrietta Lumbago 331]

AFL website stats page.

22 games, 385 disposals (17.5 per game), 80% efficiency. That disposal efficiency is elite.

Have you got a link? I can't find disposal effeciency....

[Henrietta Lumbago 331]

As I already asked, in what way is his loyalty in question?

Are you Wattsies BF???

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

Nah if I was young enough I could work out how to put up an image like yours.

You spooning with Wattsy again tonight?

Now that is a really childish comment FD. Stay with the title of this thread.

[robbiefrom13 887]

Supporters will be cheering him on in his 100th later today.

Just warming up for it are we? Right behind our guys? Pleased to have Roos on board, are we?

Is all this stuff you put on here something to do with your idea of being tough?

Give me Jack any day...

[Undeeterred 3,123]

How is he one of our most loyal players, he is yet to play 100 games, he is an under performing high draft pick, if we were going to trade him at this current point in time we wouldn't get stuff all in return, let's be honest teams like Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney don't recruit these types, they draft players with....hardness, skills aswell.

So the way I see it he is lucky to still be playing for the red and blue and still has a long way to go before he gains the respect of most MFC supporters....and that starts by his head on the line for his team mates.

Goose.

[CBDees 3,167]

How is he one of our most loyal players, he is yet to play 100 games, he is an under performing high draft pick, if we were going to trade him at this current point in time we wouldn't get stuff all in return, let's be honest teams like Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney don't recruit these types, they draft players with....hardness, skills aswell.

So the way I see it he is lucky to still be playing for the red and blue and still has a long way to go before he gains the respect of most MFC supporters....and that starts by his head on the line for his team mates.

Henrietta why don't you go onto the MFC website and see exactly what Jamar and the rest of Watt's teammates (and coaches) appreciate in him and how much they value the actual contribution that he brings to the Club and the team?

[Gator 17,332]

"I think the beauty of it is, he has so much footy ahead of him to change people's perceptions. If the perception is of unfulfilled talent, or doesn't work hard enough, he has ample time because he is good enough," Lyon said.

"I would say he has got to complement his God-given gifts with energy. That's what I just want from him - energy. Energy around the footy, energy in the contest," Lyon said.

"If he can complement what he has been handed, with some energy and work rate, he'll be a terrific player.

Salient comments from Lyon and no different to my concerns over his output. Despite protestations here, Watts doesn't work hard enough. He has the talent, but he'snot making the most of it. Some see it and some either can't or won't. Some do, but still won't hear a negative word.

I don't respect Watts' talent. Why would I ? He was born with it. He didn't earn it. It's what he does with that talent that's worth applauding or otherwise.

Some of us say nothing more than what is patently obvious to anyone that has a clue about football, yet so many here take it personally. Watts has so much more he's capable of giving. Many of you just don't realise it.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Last post is spot on. Most days In don't like Jack's approach to footy. I like many of the things that he does with ball in hand but dislike a lot of what he does when he hasn't got it.

I like Jordie McKenzie and his approach to footy. Unfortunately his lack of athleticism and skill will probably mean that he has eked as much out of his career as he can. He is the anti watts.

It's ok to have these opinions and they are not formed after watching a single contest.

[Lucifers Hero 39,758]

Pro Dee, Henrietta Lumbago, jabberwocky, Frosty Demon et al, could you guys just bury the hatchet for one day and wish Jack well for his 100th game. After all he is playing in our colours.

Whatever your disappoints about Jack, he is out there doing his best for us. Cheer him on today. Tomorrow, go back to bagging him(...altho I for one would prefer that you didn't).

[Gator 17,332]

Pro Dee, Henrietta Lumbago, jabberwocky, Frosty Demon et al, could you guys just bury the hatchet for one day and wish Jack well for his 100th game. After all he is playing in our colours.

Whatever your disappoints about Jack, he is out there doing his best for us. Cheer him on today. Tomorrow, go back to bagging him(...altho I for one would prefer that you didn't).

I'll respect your wishes. Although, I would say, you, and you're not the only one, are far too invested in the views of others.

I disagree with the bulk of what's within this thread, but it doesn't make me angry, which clearly puts me at odds with others.

[Gator 17,332]

I just think posters don't do themselves any favours when they say Watts isn't one of our most loyal and skilful then completely fail to back it up.

All they had to back it up was ask other posters to paste links to stats pages and name players who have never been chased by another club and even name a player who has never played an AFL game.

All we ask is, if you're going to make bold comments, back them up.

I couldn't question Watts' loyalty.

With all he's been through - the number of coaches, changed boards, admins and the mixed messages that all entails, he's been incredibly resilient and loyal.

Players love their teammates first and foremost, which is why it's difficult to prize them away. Clubs know they have to offer them a poultice to get them to move - unless it's the 'go home' factor, or the clock is ticking and they're sick of playing for a cellar dwellar.

[jumbo returns 6,741]

Happy 100th Jack.

Keep doing what you do best.

Find the teammate that no-one saw.

Work through traffic and create play.

Run hard to position and demand the footy.

Find yourself with no opponent because you're a reader of the game.

Use your skills to bring others into the game.

All the best.

Edited May 2, 2015 by jumbo returns

[Slartibartfast 17,265]

Although, I would say, you, and you're not the only one, are far too invested in the views of others

Says the man who has posted 18 times on this thread, bettered only by Bub.

If you can't see the irony here you're not trying.

[Gator 17,332]

Says the man who has posted 18 times on this thread, bettered only by Bub.

If you can't see the irony here you're not trying.

Happy to have dialogue. That's what it's all about. Especially when I'm often quoted. You know, by you.

Ooops, 19

[Slartibartfast 17,265]

Happy to have dialogue.

Ooops, 19

It depends who I'm speaking to.

I don't "dialogues" with Bub.

[Henrietta Lumbago 331]

"I think the beauty of it is, he has so much footy ahead of him to change people's perceptions. If the perception is of unfulfilled talent, or doesn't work hard enough, he has ample time because he is good enough," Lyon said.

"I would say he has got to complement his God-given gifts with energy. That's what I just want from him - energy. Energy around the footy, energy in the contest," Lyon said.

"If he can complement what he has been handed, with some energy and work rate, he'll be a terrific player.

Salient comments from Lyon and no different to my concerns over his output. Despite protestations here, Watts doesn't work hard enough. He has the talent, but he'snot making the most of it. Some see it and some either can't or won't. Some do, but still won't hear a negative word.

I don't respect Watts' talent. Why would I ? He was born with it. He didn't earn it. It's what he does with that talent that's worth applauding or otherwise.

Some of us say nothing more than what is patently obvious to anyone that has a clue about football, yet so many here take it personally. Watts has so much more he's capable of giving. Many of you just don't realise it.

That's exactly right, the truth hurts, say it how it is.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,856]

That's exactly right, the truth hurts, say it how it is.

He was talking about public perception, not his opinion..

That hole is getting deeper and deeper.

Appreciate you doing justice to my signature.

[Wunders 397]

Hope jack has a great game today go dees!

[Henrietta Lumbago 331]

He was talking about public perception, not his opinion..

That hole is getting deeper and deeper.

Appreciate you doing justice to my signature.

Ok let's pump Watts up...

He's the most loyal player at the club

He is out most reliable player on the park each week

He does the non negotiables of footy each week

He is the most skilful player on our list

He is the hardest player on our list

He is worth 700k a year

He is the opposite to bruise free football.

I'm done.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,175]

Congrats Jack Watts on reaching 100 games in the red and blue. Your career so far has been a combination of flashes of unbelievable skill and decision making as well as some of the most frustrating moments that have to most symbolised the failure we have been over this period. This is mostly not your fault as you were thrown into the fray too early, made a public face of a club before you had earnt its respect, been through so many coaches, positions, game styles and team mates that you probably didn't know which way you're facing half the time. To get through this period and still be in the red and blue let alone playing AFL at all is amazing in itself and purely because of your god given talent.

In my mind from today what you make of your career is all yours and no one else. I will wipe the slate clean of everything before and rate you from this point on. There is no excuses as it is all before you and up to you what you make of it. You now have the mental and physical maturity, a clear role, the best coaching team anyone could hope for and the right people around you to drive the expected standards. I have no doubt you will play 100 more games as you have ability only few could hope for but whether you are remembered as one who coasted through it on skill alone or reach the potential that made us choose you at number 1 will be up to you.

All the best Jack. I have faith its in you. Give em Hell.