Jump to content

Discussion on recent allegations about the use of illicit drugs in football is forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


POST MATCH DISCUSSION - ROUND 2, 2015


Demonland

Recommended Posts

The game might not have been won or lost at selection, but Roos insistence to add two players that didn't fight their way into the ones (as he's bleated on about for over a year) most definitely didn't help our cause today.

Can't begin to imagine what JKH would be feeling right now.

i thought jkh was good last week. Agree with your comment.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

you are right about fast ball movement but in the third term today their mids lost their opponents with ease and Shiel, Wilson and Sculldog just blew their opponent away time and time again. Half the time Kent was running after Shiel or others faster than their opponent.

i didnt see the contested possession stat u quoted but to me it looked like a total inside lack of midfield pressure and then an unopposed spreading/running mid time after time in the third term.

You cant tackle someone if your ten metres behind and slowing...

Yeah youre right, our inability to win it in close meant we were always chasing

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ben Newton has great goal sense and will kick more than his fair share this year.

Jesse has now pulled in 15 marks and booted 4 goals in just two outings.

And Tommy hardly put a foot wrong all day.

Salem and Viney were solid but the rest seemed lethargic and disinterested.

There's just no excuse for lack of effort and intensity.

Very disappointing performance, but it doesn't mean last week was a false dawn.

We'll have our moments this year, and take it up to some good teams, but there'll be set-backs and flashbacks along the way too as we get our shite together.

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The game might not have been won or lost at selection, but Roos insistence to add two players that didn't fight their way into the ones (as he's bleated on about for over a year) most definitely didn't help our cause today.

Can't begin to imagine what JKH would be feeling right now.

Vince had 2 good games in the magoos and is in our best 22. He may have been brought back a week early but the vast majority of us were happy for him to play this week. He looked short of a run but he'll get better with games. Maybe having an extra one at Casey might have been more beneficial but I think it's harsh to say he didn't fight his way into the side.

Dawes is the funny one in all of this. I think he gets a little unfairly maligned, as there were far worse than him out there today. A forward is dependent on the delivery he gets from the midfield, which after about the 15 minute mark of the second term was non-existant. We have other things to work on before we cast our gaze on Dawes.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

...and the Suns are replicating our "effort". makes yer wonder.

it does, but next week will show us if we have improved, or are slowly improving?

today we were fantastic early, but went to water easily. & our new found discipline dropped off. dis we think its all happening for us, or were we sore, or did we start looking ahead to next week? or even all of the above?

whatever happened its not good enough, & sides like that, will get smashed when they lose intensity.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How many times did the ball slip through Howes hands today?

And how many times did he jog about looking disinterested. It was so blatant, it reminded me of the Neeld days.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ben Newton has great goal sense and will kick more than his fair share this year.

Jesse has now pulled in 15 marks and booted 4 goals in just two outings.

And Tommy hardly put a foot wrong all day.

Salem and Viney were solid but the rest seemed lethargic and disinterested.

There's just no excuse for lack of effort and intensity.

Very disappointing performance, but it doesn't mean last week was a false dawn.

We'll have our moments this year, and take it up to some good teams, but there'll be set-backs and flashbacks along the way too as we get our shite together.

He seems to be a beautifully balance footballer, particularly when he's kicking.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


2 Rounds in:

TACKLES
Bontempelli ~ 20
Dahlhaus ~ 17
Honeychurch ~ 13
Wallis ~ 12
Minson ~ 12
Jong ~ 12
----------------------------------------------------------
Jones ~ 8
Tyson ~ 5
Cross ~ 5
Tyson and Cross 5 in 8 quarters, Brayshaw 11 in 4.
Nothing else needs to be said.
If Cross isn't tackling I'd rather have the speed of Kennedy-Harris.
  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I may be going out on limb here but IMO we were out-coached.

If we didn't go in too tall we were certainly too tall when Tomlison went off and Wilson came on in the 2nd qtr.

They then played outside footy while we stuck to inside footy. Momentum swing started here.

But by the end of the 2nd qtr we should've figured out that wasn't working.

3rd qtr we stuck to inisde game. Momentum swing becomes an avalanche.

4th qtr players and coaches looked anaesthetized.

2nd half coaches box options:

- taking off a tall for Brayshaw

- a bit of old fashioned flooding the backline to stop the momentum

- putting speedy player(s) behind the ball. (Watts & Garlett maybe, God knows they were wasted in the fwd line).

- heavily tagging the more damaging GWS players (a bit of a heavy knock to them maybe :o)

- getting our players to feed off Mummy

- blocking the exits from the stoppages

- etc

These wouldn't have saved the game but would have saved the massive embarrassment, loss of confidence, belief etc. Added to the selection of players underdone/recovering (Howe, Vince, Dawes, Kent - head knock last week) the coaches had a poor round 2.

I hold coaches as responsible as the players.

Edited by Lucifer's Hero
  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dunn has gone backwards

Dunn was almost AA form before he signed his last contract. His form has dropped markedly from the very first game after he signed. Been about average to OK since then.

Edited by america de cali
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Vince had 2 good games in the magoos and is in our best 22. He may have been brought back a week early but the vast majority of us were happy for him to play this week. He looked short of a run but he'll get better with games. Maybe having an extra one at Casey might have been more beneficial but I think it's harsh to say he didn't fight his way into the side.

Dawes is the funny one in all of this. I think he gets a little unfairly maligned, as there were far worse than him out there today. A forward is dependent on the delivery he gets from the midfield, which after about the 15 minute mark of the second term was non-existant. We have other things to work on before we cast our gaze on Dawes.

Dawes worked really hard to present and be a target. Problem is he is badly out of touch.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I may be going out on limb here but IMO we were out-coached.

If we didn't go in too tall we were certainly too tall when Tomlison went off and Wilson came on in the 2nd qtr.

They then played outside footy while we stuck to inside footy. Momentum swing started here.

But by the end of the 2nd qtr we should've figured out that wasn't working.

3rd qtr we stuck to inisde game. Momentum swing becomes an avalanche.

4th qtr players and coaches looked anaesthetized.

2nd half coaches box options:

- taking off a tall for Brayshaw

- a bit of old fashioned flooding the backline to stop the momentum

- putting speedy player(s) behind the ball. (Watts & Garlett maybe, God knows they were wasted in the fwd line).

- heavily tagging the more damaging GWS players (a bit of a heavy knock to them maybe :o)

- getting our players to feed off Mummy

- blocking the exits from the stoppages

- etc

These wouldn't have saved the game but would have saved the massive embarrassment, loss of confidence, belief etc. Added to the selection of players underdone/recovering (Howe, Vince, Dawes, Kent - head knock last week) the coaches had a poor round 2.

I hold coaches as responsible as the players.

I tend to agree. Whilst obviously you can only work with what you have, and many served up a poor quality lacklustee performance, im amazed more wasnt done to stem the tide.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

There is a lot of Dawes bashing in here but I think it's also worth looking at his role and delivery.

He's basically the Malthouse/Neeld era bomb down the line get out of jail card. Our players lack the confidence and skill to move the ball in other ways, and when the momentum is against us they don't want to make a mistake, so they take the safest option - around the boundary to Dawes. Opposition clubs can see it a mile away.

It's really obvious, it's really not working, and he's not dangerous enough as a player to be able to execute on it.

He does work very hard, but structurally it's an antiquated game style that's a lazy option for our team given our confidence levels.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Jkh would have been good.

Dawes proved inadequate.

Jamar is good for a quarter only ,

The mids cannot not lose- they lost last week but we still won

We are not fit.

We are mentally weak.

We are SLOW.

I suspect Jamar and Cross have only this season left .

Most of you got sucked in last week.

Edited by Biffen
Link to comment
Share on other sites


2 Rounds in:

TACKLES

Bontempelli ~ 20

Dahlhaus ~ 17

Honeychurch ~ 13

Wallis ~ 12

Minson ~ 12

Jong ~ 12

----------------------------------------------------------

Jones ~ 8

Tyson ~ 5

Cross ~ 5

Tyson and Cross 5 in 8 quarters, Brayshaw 11 in 4.

Nothing else needs to be said.

If Cross isn't tackling I'd rather have the speed of Kennedy-Harris.

This is a damning stat.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

If you can't catch them its very hard to tackle them.

Don't agree with that Dockett. The run-down tackle is very rare; most tackles occur when the players are in close. If there's a need to catch them, you have already missed the boat for the tackle.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

We didn't lose due to one extra tall, or otherwise, we lost because the midfield was comprehensively beaten.

And no, the midfield didn't lose to the Suns last week.

How do you explain the low numbers of inside 50's this week opposed to last week? Even when we were in front the inside 50s were level. Yes we were beaten in the midfield, maybe that was because we were out numbered, out worked & out run due to us having too many talls & not enough mids.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The backline is not the problem - they restricted GWS to 2 goals in the first half despite more entries into the forward 50.

Our problem started wen Jamar got torn apart by Mumford and fed their star studded midfield.

Frost is not a second ruckman or a forward - he belongs in the backline.

We still rely on Jones too much in the midfield and if he has a stinker we're gone.

Garletts and Kents inability to convert set shots is also a concern.

Not sure what Dawes brings to the table. He can't mark, can't ruck and doesn't kick many goals. Can't believe what he gets paid for the little he contributes.

Another long season ahead I fear.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all.    On that rainy Friday night at the Adelaide Oval, Ken Hinkley’s young midfield secured much more than four points on offer. The victory over one of the big dogs of the competition after a succession of wins over some of its lesser lights gave his team respect and validation fo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Monday 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training. DEMON DYNASTY'S TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Kade Chandler's left knee heavily strapped. BBB, Spargs & Jake Lever also in rehab group. Jake Bowey solo running separate kicking/sprint/agility drills. Super fine morning / early arvo at Gosch's for the boys to blow out some cobwebs. Choco initially had the light duties / rehab group

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter. By the time they worked out it was game on, their opponents from Box Hill had accumulated five goals and, if the game wasn’t over, it might as well have been. For a se

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head. The Demons have now won nine of their last ten encounters with the other result, a draw.     And like a fork, it was the multi-pronged options that Melbourne had all across the ground.  It certainly helped that Hawthorn

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 8

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in the Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 264

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 25th March @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons victory at the MCG against the Hawks in the Round 02. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 46

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 50

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 357

    GAMEDAY: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 437
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 03

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 03 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 03

  • Match Preview      

    DEPTH CHARGE by Whispering Jack

    The jubilation on the coach’s face as he danced a celebratory jig by the playing bench after the final siren sounded to record his team’s four-point victory over the Demons when the teams last met, said it all ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 27

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The boys dissected the clinical thrashing of Hawks praising the immense performance of Christian Petracca whilst lamenting the injury toll to our defensive unit ... LISTEN

    Demonland | March 26

  • Training  

    Monday, 25th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Demon Dynasty & Kev Martin were trackside at Gosch's Paddock today to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • Casey Report      

    HIBERNATING by KC from Casey

    When they locked up the rooms for summer at the end of last year’s football season, the rooms gathered cobwebs, the atmosphere became dense and the place developed a sleepy feel. They opened up the rooms to let Casey out to play on Sunday but the team was still hibernating and they missed the bulk of the opening quarter ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 25

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 03 vs Port Adelaide

    The Demons head out on the road for the next 2 weeks as they travel to Adelaide to play Port on Saturday and then have a 5 Day break before facing the Crows in Gather Round. With injuries to May and Lever who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 28

  • Match Report      

    A FORK IN THE HAWK by George on the Outer

    For too long in the past, Demon fans became habitually sick and tired of watching the Hawks hand out thrashings to their side. But Melbourne’s empahtic 55-point win at the MCG on Saturday has truly put a fork in the Hawk and turned that history well and truly on its head ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    The Demons cruised to an easy 55 point win over the Hawks at the MCG but but paid a heavy toll on the injury front with Steven May & Jake Lever possibly sidelined for a number of weeks ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

    Last week Steven May took the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Jack Viney. Clayton Oliver & Max Gawn round out the Top 4. Your votes for the win/loss against/to the Hawks. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Round 02 vs Hawthorn

    It's Game Day and after mixed results in the first two weeks of the season the Demons have the opportunity to capitalise on their good form last week when they take on the Hawks at the MCG today ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 23

  • Training  

    Friday, 22nd March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin and I attended the Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock on this lovely sunny morning to bring you the following observations from the training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 22

  • Training  

    Tuesday, 19th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin & Walking Civil War attended Tuesday morning's training session at Gosch's Paddock to bring you the following observations ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 19

  • Training  

    Saturday, 16th March 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Dee Zephyr wandered down to Gosch's Paddock on Saturday morning to bring you their observations from the Captain's Run in the lead up to Sunday's Round One match against the Bulldogs ... READ MORE

    Demonland | March 16

  • Farewell  

    Angus Brayshaw Retires

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland ... READ MORE

    Demonland | February 22

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 03

       vs   

    Saturday 30th March 2024
    @ 07:30pm (AO)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Jake Lever Knee Test
    Clayton Oliver Hand Test
    Oliver Sestan Concussion Test
    Steven May Ribs 1 Week
    Lachie Hunter Calf 1 Week
    Daniel Turner Hip 2-3 Weeks
    Charlie Spargo Achilles 2-4 Weeks
    Shane McAdam Hamstring 3-5 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 7 Weeks
    Jake Melksham ACL 12-14 Weeks
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Christian Petracca 27
    2 Steven May 25
    3 Max Gawn 21
    4 Jack Viney 20
    5 Bayley Fritsch 19
    6 Clayton Oliver 18
    7 Christian Salem 12
    8 Blake Howes 11
    9 Jack Billings 10
    9 Alex Neal-Bullen 10

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...