THE DRUG SCANDAL: AFL TRIBUNAL DECIDES

[biggestred 4,266]

Mcdevitt letting essendon have it

[What 18,810]

Mcdevitt letting essendon have it

Tearing them to shreds

[beelzebub 22,225]

I read exactly these sort of comments for 2 years saying Essendon were toast. It's just a dumb comment. Sorry, but it is.

what ...you Don't think an appeal to the AFL will be similarly treated ?

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

Tearing them to shreds

Damnit I have no sound at work!

What did he say?

[daisycutter 28,458]

Jack this could be a watershed moment for the legal system in this country. A lawyer complaining a verdict because of a legal technicality! I'd suggest you represent the large majority of people who I suspect would support the application of law without the distortion of legal technicality and agitate for change. You'll fight most of your brothers because it seems to me the law lives and breaths on technicality.

But on with my point. Essendon have been found to have administered a shambolic supplements program to its players which has the potential to have future negative health issues. They bypassed a qualified medical practitioner in favour of a "sports scientist" who has no official qualifications. They are unable (bulldust) to tell anyone what was injected into these kids to whom they owe an undeniable duty of care. They have treated these kids like objects whose health is irrelevant when put in the context of on field success.

Where the *f* are the criminal charges against those that were responsible for these kids and those administered the drugs. What I don't understand is that it's illegal to inject drugs to induce death regardless that the recipient might welcome the administration but at this stage Dank can go around giving young kids drugs that are not approved for human use with unknown effects and get off unscathed. Surely he is guilty of some criminal code.

It's vile and disgusting that Hird is still in the football industry let alone the coach of an AFL team.

I know people on this thread have said it's a win for Dank, Alavi and Charter but it's not. And it's a huge loss for Essendon. As WJ said, Essendon got of on a technicality and the whole footy world knows it. The club has failed to recognize the level of angst in which they are held and the fact there is anyone still there who was involved in overseeing or implementing the supplements program beggars belief.

Oh, and as an aside, can someone tell me how these performance enhancing drugs were not picked up in a drug test of the players. I find that odd.

i read somewhere recently that there is no test fot tb4

[beelzebub 22,225]

i read somewhere recently that there is no test fot tb4

no...not yet

[Dees2014 2,377]

I read exactly these sort of comments for 2 years saying Essendon were toast. It's just a dumb comment. Sorry, but it is.

Have a look at mcDevitt's presser

[What 18,810]

Great presser. Think ASADA will let the appeal window close with the knowledge WADA will take this to the CAS.

[Vipercrunch 2,800]

Here's hoping for some quick advances to TB4 testing capabilities. They have the samples on ice ready to go.

[nutbean 8,837]

They have the samples on ice ready to go.

would you like to reword that ?

[GM11 686]

Done Bub.

The cricket comparison has been raised before so here goes.

The three Trubunal members are all what I consider "old school lawyers" who are black letter of the law men. They decided a case dealing with 21st century issues in the same way as former England opening batsman Geoffrey Boycott used to bat.

This case needed a Davey Warner.

Out of interest Jack (& Redleg), how do you think this decision impact on the future rights of the players?

I mean if they, in the future, decided to sue EFC and/or AFL over being injected with 'they don't know what', and given they maintain that it wasn't illegal...have they shot themselves in the foot?

[dpositive 1,547]

Gotta feel for Danks

He may be a genius and administered non threatening and maybe beneficial treatments that are on the cutting edge of scientific progress maybe even cure cancer.

AND

HE HAS NO RECORDS!!!!

[ManDee 7,073]

Jack this could be a watershed moment for the legal system in this country. A lawyer complaining a verdict because of a legal technicality! I'd suggest you represent the large majority of people who I suspect would support the application of law without the distortion of legal technicality and agitate for change. You'll fight most of your brothers because it seems to me the law lives and breaths on technicality.

But on with my point. Essendon have been found to have administered a shambolic supplements program to its players which has the potential to have future negative health issues. They bypassed a qualified medical practitioner in favour of a "sports scientist" who has no official qualifications. They are unable (bulldust) to tell anyone what was injected into these kids to whom they owe an undeniable duty of care. They have treated these kids like objects whose health is irrelevant when put in the context of on field success.

Where the *f* are the criminal charges against those that were responsible for these kids and those administered the drugs. What I don't understand is that it's illegal to inject drugs to induce death regardless that the recipient might welcome the administration but at this stage Dank can go around giving young kids drugs that are not approved for human use with unknown effects and get off unscathed. Surely he is guilty of some criminal code.

It's vile and disgusting that Hird is still in the football industry let alone the coach of an AFL team.

I know people on this thread have said it's a win for Dank, Alavi and Charter but it's not. And it's a huge loss for Essendon. As WJ said, Essendon got of on a technicality and the whole footy world knows it. The club has failed to recognize the level of angst in which they are held and the fact there is anyone still there who was involved in overseeing or implementing the supplements program beggars belief.

Oh, and as an aside, can someone tell me how these performance enhancing drugs were not picked up in a drug test of the players. I find that odd.

No test exists for TB4 - samples held for 10 years and can/will be tested in the future. So the clock still ticks.

[Sir Why You Little 34,418]

At least McDevitt came out swinging. He knows more but cannot prove it..Yet

I don't blame the Tribunal

This is all on Dank Avavi and Charters and they know it. They also know up till now they can with hold the evidence.

I hope WADA have stronger powers

Edited April 1, 2015 by Sir Why You Little

[Bitter but optimistic 21,168]

Essendon have raised the bar. They have used "substances" and got away with it. It's up to the rest to catch up.

[Bigdeeal 38]

The default position in all of these sorts of cases ought to be: No records = automatically guilty until proven otherwise. I'm staggered that it's not already, since it's a blindingly obvious tack to take to cover your tracks. As we've just seen to the max!

[Vipercrunch 2,800]

The default position in all of these sorts of cases ought to be: No records = automatically guilty until proven otherwise. I'm staggered that it's not already, since it's a blindingly obvious tack to take to cover your tracks. As we've just seen to the max!

Spot on.

[Sir Why You Little 34,418]

The default position in all of these sorts of cases ought to be: No records = automatically guilty until proven otherwise. I'm staggered that it's not already, since it's a blindingly obvious tack to take to cover your tracks. As we've just seen to the max!

Correct.

Shredded evidence is guilt and will always be in my eyes.

There are 17 other clubs who need to smash these smug azzholes for many years to come, regardless of WADA

James Hird....i can't say what i think of him...

[Cards13 9,117]

I wonder what the League boys are thinking at this point.

[Sir Why You Little 34,418]

Let me add Vlad to the list of Filth

Don't forget he tipped Essendon off. Gave them time to shred and dispose of much evidence.

The Black ops should have been a 2am raid on Windy Pill

Vlad. Your hands are filthy in all this.

Shocking CEO. $2mill a year. Pathetic

[jackaub 1,402]

So why havent ASADA been given powers to Supoena?

Seems to me if the Government and the sports governing bodies were serious they would havegiven this basic power that most tribunals possess.

Says to me that they are not serious enough that they are" Seeming" once again

[Demon trucker 1,731]

This is a win for drug cheat's like dank, it's a copybook on how to get away with it, step 1 do not keep records of what has been used. Step2 all parties that supply the drags refuse to go to court and give evidence, the high court has ruled that sapiens are not enforceable, for these kind of tribunal.

I tell u what this has done for AFL the standing in world sports, AFL ks going to look like a dirty sport and it is the new cycling.

[ManDee 7,073]

This is a win for drug cheat's like dank, it's a copybook on how to get away with it, step 1 do not keep records of what has been used. Step2 all parties that supply the drags refuse to go to court and give evidence, the high court has ruled that sapiens are not enforceable, for these kind of tribunal.

I tell u what this has done for AFL the standing in world sports, AFL ks going to look like a dirty sport and it is the new cycling.

Not trying to be a smart ar$e (sometimes I do) but what do you mean?

[rjay 23,867]

I am starting to think that ASADA won't appeal as they didn't have the evidence in the manner needed.

An AFL Appeals Tribunal might come to the same conclusion.

I think that maybe if there is to be an Appeal, it will be by WADA, taking the heat off ASADA and going to CAS, a different type and fully independent body.

I think if there is an appeal then this is the only way to go.

Correct Nut and the players to this day do not know what they were injected with. Their future health in jeopardy or at very least at risk, all in all a damning situation.

I think everyone has more than a good idea of what they were injected with, it's just there are no records tendered to prove it.

As for the future health of the players I think they would all be looking up the side effects and have a good idea of what the future holds.

[AzzKikA 2,369]

I agree that the decision will be appealed ( or at least should be appealed) but I am not sure how you can link Adrian Bayley with this ?

It is completely obvious that he is guilty but he has appealed anyway, if he does it in his position then ASADA and WADA must in theirs.