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Howie got his wish to spend more time in the Melbourne forward line.

The hatred for Howe on here is putrid and really sick. Get a grip people, he is a footballer who is clearly being pushed out of his club and he is looking for a another club and contract to secure hi

No way North are interested. He's under 30.

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I actually think he runs 2 ways well when down back.

Just gets lost and has no idea how to compete as a forward even if it's his most dangerous position.

Going to be interesting to see what other coaches can do with him because for the last decade plenty of players have left Melbourne and some have had success, but I can't think of many who's flaws improved. Even Frawley in the grand final did exactly what he has always done - win one on ones, use his athleticism to get the ball, lob wedge it 45m down the line.

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If/when Howe goes I could couldn't care less what another team makes of him. Nor really of any player that leaves etc.

If they cant be of use to us..i have no interest.

This time of year does generate some fascinating 'alternative' valuations of players...by all teams.

Bit like trash and treasure week :)

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Deeluded. Youve nearly arrived at mp point.

What one has in them as opposed to what one does.

Howe is not competitive. Hes lazy.likes doing what he likes but cant run two ways and is woeful at decisions.

Takes a nice mark :rolleyes:

yes i see, but I'm talking about abilities, as against attitudes & cultures. Howe is a virtual mirror image of the club he came into.

..... so he has untapped real potential, & as a mature now, he has the skills after 100 of AFL games to further develop & unleash potential , In the right environment. He is a coach-able type, but like most people, they cannot change their adopted behaviors, within the same place, with the same faces, doing the same things.

He is a type I would go after if he was from another club & having these issues. he has the physical requirements.

a big change of environment, & moving into a strong mature cultured environment really helps players to change their spots, IF they are coach-able.

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Untapped ?

Think we have some very coaches and developers now.

If THEY really thought he could be made into a better-HOWE don't you reckon we too would be valuing him upon that potential and re-signing him ?

We aren't. ....what does that say !!

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If the floated Prestia deal is not on, I'd certainly entertain a Howe-for-Anderson deal.

I'd like the Hawks to add a bit to that though.

If we could do that deal and possibly upgrade our 3rd to their 2nd, I'd be pretty happy with that.

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yes i see, but I'm talking about abilities, as against attitudes & cultures. Howe is a virtual mirror image of the club he came into.

..... so he has untapped real potential, & as a mature now, he has the skills after 100 of AFL games to further develop & unleash potential , In the right environment. He is a coach-able type, but like most people, they cannot change their adopted behaviors, within the same place, with the same faces, doing the same things.

He is a type I would go after if he was from another club & having these issues. he has the physical requirements.

a big change of environment, & moving into a strong mature cultured environment really helps players to change their spots, IF they are coach-able.

Untapped ?

Think we have some very coaches and developers now.

If THEY really thought he could be made into a better-HOWE don't you reckon we too would be valuing him upon that potential and re-signing him ?

We aren't. ....what does that say !!

...... he needs a change, to help facilitate his own changes.

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If we could do that deal and possibly upgrade our 3rd to their 2nd, I'd be pretty happy with that.

I'd take their (GCS)compensation pick for Howey... end of 1st Rnd, otherwise I'd shop around to GWS & the others... don't discount the Lions, who need to attract their patrons back to the games. Howe could have been a smaller version of the Orange Roughy under different circumstances.

surely we could find another like for like trade for an Anderson type.

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...... he needs a change, to help facilitate his own changes.

There may well be something to that. And he would have company on that list.

Im happy for others to value him higher, to make of him as a better player than that which i estimate.

I think hes gone as high as he can with us and its only that value which interests me...i.e. what Howe can be for us.

In todays footy you have to be pretty versatile as each game, each opposition requires a different tinkering of players and gameplan.

Seems that variation of roles is one of Jeremy' peeves.

No problem. .....next !!!

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There may well be something to that. And he would have company on that list.

Im happy for others to value him higher, to make of him as a better player than that which i estimate.

I think hes gone as high as he can with us and its only that value which interests me...i.e. what Howe can be for us.

In todays footy you have to be pretty versatile as each game, each opposition requires a different tinkering of players and gameplan.

Seems that variation of roles is one of Jeremy' peeves.

No problem. .....next !!!

once attitudes have been adopted by people, from their peers, its a subconscious commitment & surrender IMO, to those ways. I think our whole Australian belief systems are learn't this way.

And its incredibly difficult to change the things we've accepted & valued, whether good or not so.

same I imagine, with people hooked on drugs, change is hard too make from the learned default position, & to stick with, unless getting away from the surroundings which have taught, or remind/support the old wayz.

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Deeluded. Youve nearly arrived at mp point.

What one has in them as opposed to what one does.

Howe is not competitive. Hes lazy.likes doing what he likes but cant run two ways and is woeful at decisions.

Takes a nice mark :rolleyes:

Indeed. This season Howe was expected to play a disciplined team role, work hard and make a real difference to games instead of adding a bit of colour.

In direct contrast to those saying Howe has been 'limited' by Melbourne's complacent culture, I'd argue that he is leaving precisely because that culture is changing and he isn't liking it.

I'd be amused if he ended up at Hawthorn. Would be a Colin Sylvia repeat. Where does he fit into their roles of;

Ball winner: nope

Ball user: nope

Marking target: sporadically and spectacularly, but nope

Goalkicker: nope

Intercepting defender: kinda, sorta, but nope

Shut-down defender: nope

When you consider that the entire Hawthorn football club best 22 can show at least two of those characteristics to an exceptional standard, where is Howe supposed to fit in?

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On the AFL site, it says North are now leading the race for Howe.

If that is true, it may bode badly for getting Suns players.

PS. Sun today is saying Suns still very much to the fore.

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On the AFL site, it says North are now leading the race for Howe.

If that is true, it may bode badly for getting Suns players.

Can't see Howe getting much game time up forward at North next year, if that's his preferred position. Obviously a longer term replacement for Waite/Petrie.

Spoke to a someone last night with very close ties to North's inner sanctum, and he mentioned that they are after a key back. Maybe that's where they have Howe earmarked to play, which does against his manager's comments.

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