MFC injury list - 2015

[Demon trucker 1,800]

Helmets don't stop concussion, just look at American football they have a huge problem with concussion.

[Demon Disciple 12,122]

Probably not a bad week to miss. Sydney aren't really blessed with quality small forwards, particularly if McGlynn doesn't play. Hawthorn on the other hand ...

It's only not a bad week to miss if you aren't normally in the starting 22.

We need to have our best 22 out on the park as often as possible, if we are going to improve at a rate that would be deemed acceptable.

[daisycutter 29,613]

Helmets don't stop concussion, just look at American football they have a huge problem with concussion.

and in fact the helmet makes it worse because it gives the player a false sense of security so they use their head (read helmet) as an offensive weapon

hence more head clashes, hence more concussion

[Gorgoroth 12,948]

Helmets don't stop concussion, just look at American football they have a huge problem with concussion.

With NFL its helmet v helmet. This would be unpadded/helmeted player v helmeted head.

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

We could do without having Howes cheap thrills. I am sure this is not the first occasion he has cleaned up a teammate.

[stinga81 210]

Does Grimes breathe a sigh of relief?

[Lucifers Hero 39,758]

Jetta set to miss again

The title is slightly 'misleading' as Misson has said he will be tested later in the week.

Ditto Dawes.

Salem isn't listed so he must have recovered ok from the concussion.

An interesting update on Christian Petracca's progress Petracca building training loads

It also talks about Jack T rehab but doesn't give any progress report. Left me feeling a bit pessimistic about Jack's recovery.

But it's good news on Petracca (although Roos has already said he won't let him play this season regardless of what the doctors say).

We will see!

[M C 221]

We could do without having Howes cheap thrills. I am sure this is not the first occasion he has cleaned up a teammate.

You really think taking 'speckies' out of the game is going to stop concussions?

If Howe didn't go for the mark in that case and instead a Freo player marked it, you would be dirty with Howe wouldn't you? It was a freak accident mate, leave it at that.

[bing181 9,219]

Helmets make it worse in many cases

The brain bounces around even more...

I'd suggest you do one of two things:

a) provide us with links to the studies and research that validates the above

b) delete your post

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

It was actually a result of Howe taking that high grab against Richmond. Poor Nev got the knee in the face and will now miss 2 games for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

knee to the face is a good whack i sure wouldn't want one.

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

You really think taking 'speckies' out of the game is going to stop concussions?

If Howe didn't go for the mark in that case and instead a Freo player marked it, you would be dirty with Howe wouldn't you? It was a freak accident mate, leave it at that.

I prefer if coming from behind he did the disciplined thing and punch the ball. I would prefer it more if he played in front and actually took a contested mark from there. Howe hasn't progressed much from schoolyard kick to kick.

[sue 9,102]

and in fact the helmet makes it worse because it gives the player a false sense of security so they use their head (read helmet) as an offensive weapon

hence more head clashes, hence more concussion

True. But I'm not sure that a simple equation of US football and aussie rules is sufficient to say helmets in AFL wouldn't work or be worse.

I'm thinking of padded soft helmets. Surely they increase they time over which the momentum is reversed and hence lower the impact.

Hard helmets are more a protection against hitting objects like kerbs. Madness to use them as battering rams.

[ManDee 7,134]

Helmets make it worse in many cases

The brain bounces around even more...

SWYL I think this goes against considerable research. Road safety organisations have done research as have many health authorities.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/alcohol/Archive/Archive/safesobr/OPlanner/protection/cycle.html

http://www.helmetsonheads.org/facts/

Or just search helmet safety.

Edit: health not heath

Edited May 6, 2015 by ManDee

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

I don't think comparisons with Gridiron concussion statistics and the role of helmets is relevant to AFL. In that game the head and helmet is used as a battering weapon with considerable weight and force behind it. There were many deaths in Gridiron in the old days which forced the take up of helmets. In AFL more head injuries are caused by glancing blows and knocks which a helmet in most cases will be effective in offering protection.

Edited May 6, 2015 by america de cali

[demon-4-life 467]

Lol, yes thats right, "helmets won't help". Really?!?!?

Sheesh, if thats the case, make sure your kids don't wear helmets riding their bikes next time, because they cause brain to wobble more.

[bing181 9,219]

Helmets don't stop concussion, just look at American football they have a huge problem with concussion.

No, helmets don't stop concussion in sport any more than seat belts stop road fatalities.

FFS.

[DubDee 25,852]

Must have been a big wack.

No wonder Footballers from the 60's-90's are now having problems.

I heard Bell might be having some issues but havent heard of any others. Are there players with brain damage, ongoing issues I dont know about. who? just wondering

[praha 11,240]

An interesting update on Christian Petracca's progress Petracca building training loads

It also talks about Jack T rehab but doesn't give any progress report. Left me feeling a bit pessimistic about Jack's recovery.

But it's good news on Petracca (although Roos has already said he won't let him play this season regardless of what the doctors say).

We will see!

Trengove is done. It's going to be very hard for him. I imagine he'll start training again in the pre-season but if it flares up again, he'll retire. I assume he'll take on a role at the club though.

[rpfc 28,404]

Helmets won't prevent brain trauma and the movement of the brain after a blow.

That is what people are referring to.

It doesn't mean we are saying they don't do anything or that bikie riders shouldn't wear a helmet or drivers their seatbelts - that's being a tad disingenuous.

The intentions have to be to reduce the amount of times the brain is forced to shock in an extreme fashion, not enable someone to come off 'slightly better' should they have an extreme shock to the brain.

[Lucifers Hero 39,758]

Trengove is done. It's going to be very hard for him. I imagine he'll start training again in the pre-season but if it flares up again, he'll retire. I assume he'll take on a role at the club though.

Yes, I felt pessimistic about his recovery. His contract is up at eos so unless he is able to seriously run etc by then I doubt it will be renewed.

Last year's delistings and dropping Grimes this year, signals that Roos is definitely not given to sentiment so I'm not even confident that Trengove would be offered a rookie spot next year. Hope I'm wrong.

if he isn't on the playing list and the club could find the right role for him (that he is happy with) that would be great.

Edited May 6, 2015 by Lucifer's Hero

[daisycutter 29,613]

Helmets won't prevent brain trauma and the movement of the brain after a blow.

That is what people are referring to.

It doesn't mean we are saying they don't do anything or that bikie riders shouldn't wear a helmet or drivers their seatbelts - that's being a tad disingenuous.

The intentions have to be to reduce the amount of times the brain is forced to shock in an extreme fashion, not enable someone to come off 'slightly better' should they have an extreme shock to the brain.

another issue with helmets (apart from dangers of false security and injuries to other players) is their weight

extra weight on the head can place extra pressures where head pivots on the spinal chord in side or whiplash type injuries

not saying it a case to not wear helmets just pointing out a potential downside

Edited May 6, 2015 by daisycutter

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

SWYL I think this goes against considerable research. Road safety organisations have done research as have many health authorities.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/alcohol/Archive/Archive/safesobr/OPlanner/protection/cycle.html

http://www.helmetsonheads.org/facts/

Or just search helmet safety.

Edit: health not heath

Interesting because i have heard Sports Doctors with very different views. The NFL problems are getting really bad for ex players. A lot of them cannot concentrate, hold down jobs

The thought over there is that the Helmets make players hit harder because of the percieved protection.

[Whispering_Jack 30,054]

Contrast our injury list with the Swans:

Aliir Aliir (knee) - available

Isaac Heeney (ankle) - test

Alex Johnson (knee) - indefinite

Lloyd Perris (knee) - 1-2 weeks

Sam Reid (calf) - test

If the ones down as "test" get through then they'll have only one player with senior AFL experience not available to play this week.

[Ted Lasso 19,513]

Geez petracca is a big unit! Kid physically looks like he's been in the system a couple of years already!

[Ethan Tremblay 30,856]

No, helmets don't stop concussion in sport any more than seat belts stop road fatalities.

FFS.

Stupid analogy. What's your experience with treating and/or being first on scene to a serious traffic crash? From first hand experience I can tell you seat belts save many lives.

Happy to be proven wrong if you can show proof.

Edited May 6, 2015 by Ethan Tremblay