Training - Monday 5th January, 2015

[Vitamin Dee 844]

Thanks Saty!

Let us know when that Scooter needs a service, much appreciated as always.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Walking wounded

Hogan, think he had a bit of back tightness, think this issue is similar to Hawkins, can create discomfort but not stop him playing, left track early

I seriously feel sick reading that

(Thanks for the report BTW)

[The Devil Inside 2,147]

I seriously feel sick reading that

(Thanks for the report BTW)

I wouldn't worry, they are working on it, he was fine through most of the session, the way we are looking after the players now is completely professional, if he is feeling a bit of discomfort he stops and they check it out. Any players who does not report a subsequently discovered problem is in serious trouble, they have to report anything the minute they feel it

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I wouldn't worry, they are working on it, he was fine through most of the session, the way we are looking after the players now is completely professional, if he is feeling a bit of discomfort he stops and they check it out. Any players who does not report a subsequently discovered problem is in serious trouble, they have to report anything the minute they feel it

Still makes me feel like the kid's back is a ticking timebomb waiting to explode misery all over us

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

I wouldn't worry, they are working on it, he was fine through most of the session, the way we are looking after the players now is completely professional, if he is feeling a bit of discomfort he stops and they check it out. Any players who does not report a subsequently discovered problem is in serious trouble, they have to report anything the minute they feel it

Thanks for reports TDI but I'm not as 'pollyannaerish' as you - Hogan reported it last year and he was ignored!! We know what happened next!!

Same medical and training staff.

Edited January 5, 2015 by Lucifer's Hero

[The Devil Inside 2,147]

Thanks for reports TDI but I'm not as 'pollyannaerish' as you - Hogan reported it last year and he was ignored!! We know what happened next!!

Same medical and training staff.

Can you clarify that? Or is it just yet another Demonland myth, as far as I know he reported the issue after the Geelong game?, and it was immediately dealt with, I am not "pollyannerish", I am repeating what the players have told me, unlike some I prefer to ask

[Grapeviney 8,810]

the way we are looking after the players now is completely professional,

I really don't know what this means. When was it unprofessional? Prior to Misson? Prior to Roos?

Can you clarify that? Or is it just yet another Demonland myth, as far as I know he reported the issue after the Geelong game?, and it was immediately dealt with, I am not "pollyannerish", I am repeating what the players have told me, unlike some I prefer to ask

Hogan himself said he felt the back problem before the Geelong game. I'm not suggesting the medical fitness staff got it wrong, just responding to your question.

With Dawes, however, there was an admission that he was rushed and came back too early (I think in 2013).

It's all an inexact science, so I'm not sure why we need to pretend that because "it's all professional now" there won't be mistakes.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Hogan, think he had a bit of back tightness, think this issue is similar to Hawkins, can create discomfort but not stop him playing, left track early

I got shouted down once for suggesting that Hogan's awkward running and kicking actions could be contributing to his back problems, still concerns me.

[The Devil Inside 2,147]

I really don't know what this means. When was it unprofessional? Prior to Misson? Prior to Roos?

Hogan himself said he felt the back problem before the Geelong game. I'm not suggesting the medical fitness staff got it wrong, just responding to your question.

With Dawes, however, there was an admission that he was rushed and came back too early (I think in 2013).

It's all an inexact science, so I'm not sure why we need to pretend that because "it's all professional now" there won't be mistakes.

That is different to being ignored.

My point is they have been working on getting the players to report any issue, so it won't be a "mistake" by the medical staff, a bit of credit is due, there were only 3 players who didn't train today to some extent, 1 is crook, 1 had a self inflicted wound and the other is Trengove, so they must be getting it right

[The Devil Inside 2,147]

I got shouted down once for suggesting that Hogan's awkward running and kicking actions could be contributing to his back problems, still concerns me.

I asked about that, that is not part of the problem, it is more to do with his whole physiology, Jayden Hunt has had similar issues and he is on an individual program as well, and is progressing with the occasional blip, but because he is not Hogan this is not noticed

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

Can you clarify that? Or is it just yet another Demonland myth, as far as I know he reported the issue after the Geelong game?, and it was immediately dealt with, I am not "pollyannerish", I am repeating what the players have told me, unlike some I prefer to ask

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-10-01/hogan-aims-for-round-one-debut

Quote:

Hogan said his back injury came to a head when he played for Melbourne against Geelong in the club’s second NAB Challenge match in Alice Springs, back in February.

“It was a bit sore going into the game, but the physios insisted it was just tightness. I was training as though I was feeling OK and I was a bit aware of it, but it affected me during the game in the third quarter, when I tried to kick it,” he said.

“My whole body seized up and I’ve gone ‘this isn’t tightness’. I basically couldn’t run in the last quarter and then I woke up the next morning and I was basically the same – I was just stiff.

“I couldn’t really walk and I sat on the plane for four hours and got up and was no good. Then I finally got the scan and was told that it was going to be four to five [weeks] depending – but everyone’s body is different.

It seems being told he was ok to play, playing on in the 4th qtr, then sitting on a plane for 4 hours doesn't signal good medical management. Hopefully, they listen more carefully these days. Also, I recall a few posters noted in preseason training reports last year that Hogan appeared to have a back problem...vaguely recall someone jumped into his back accidently at training. Anyway, the past is past. The extra year off has helped him mature and good for him.

Call me a naysayer if you wish. No doubt he will be a champ but right now, I would like to see him get thru a string of VFL/AFL games unscathed.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-10-01/hogan-aims-for-round-one-debut

Quote:

Hogan said his back injury came to a head when he played for Melbourne against Geelong in the club’s second NAB Challenge match in Alice Springs, back in February.

“It was a bit sore going into the game, but the physios insisted it was just tightness. I was training as though I was feeling OK and I was a bit aware of it, but it affected me during the game in the third quarter, when I tried to kick it,” he said.

“My whole body seized up and I’ve gone ‘this isn’t tightness’. I basically couldn’t run in the last quarter and then I woke up the next morning and I was basically the same – I was just stiff.

“I couldn’t really walk and I sat on the plane for four hours and got up and was no good. Then I finally got the scan and was told that it was going to be four to five [weeks] depending – but everyone’s body is different.

It seems being told he was ok to play, playing on in the 4th qtr, then sitting on a plane for 4 hours doesn't signal good medical management. Hopefully, they listen more carefully these days. Also, I recall a few posters noted in preseason training reports last year that Hogan appeared to have a back problem...vaguely recall someone jumped into his back accidently at training. Anyway, the past is past. The extra year off has helped him mature and good for him.

Call me a naysayer if you wish. No doubt he will be a champ but right now, I would like to see him get thru a string of VFL/AFL games unscathed.

That article is just a Demonland myth.

[Grandson of a gun 276]

Can you guys not derail another thread PLEASE.

[The Devil Inside 2,147]

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-10-01/hogan-aims-for-round-one-debut

Quote:

Hogan said his back injury came to a head when he played for Melbourne against Geelong in the club’s second NAB Challenge match in Alice Springs, back in February.

“It was a bit sore going into the game, but the physios insisted it was just tightness. I was training as though I was feeling OK and I was a bit aware of it, but it affected me during the game in the third quarter, when I tried to kick it,” he said.

“My whole body seized up and I’ve gone ‘this isn’t tightness’. I basically couldn’t run in the last quarter and then I woke up the next morning and I was basically the same – I was just stiff.

“I couldn’t really walk and I sat on the plane for four hours and got up and was no good. Then I finally got the scan and was told that it was going to be four to five [weeks] depending – but everyone’s body is different.

It seems being told he was ok to play, playing on in the 4th qtr, then sitting on a plane for 4 hours doesn't signal good medical management. Hopefully, they listen more carefully these days. Also, I recall a few posters noted in preseason training reports last year that Hogan appeared to have a back problem...vaguely recall someone jumped into his back accidently at training. Anyway, the past is past. The extra year off has helped him mature and good for him.

Call me a naysayer if you wish. No doubt he will be a champ but right t, I would like to see him get thru a string of VFL/AFL games unscathed.

The physios will have checked it out, but I assume there wasn't a scanning machine available at the ground, yes I agree maybe there was a mistake made with the diagnosis, but his reporting of the issue was not ignored. Have we thought that maybe an 18 year old wasn't articulating what he was actually feeling

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

Can you guys not derail another thread PLEASE.

Agreed. That's BBO's job.

Seriously, thanks to all the posters who attend training and give us their news and views.

[ChaserJ 3,956]

Nice touch today, Max King, who I think they are trying to kill, was absolutely spent after one running drill, Jamar over to him, arm around him encouraging him on, Jamar is setting himself for a big year, has his game face on

Would that qualify as regicide?

[Moonshadow 16,109]

Not much mentioned about Lumumba here. How was his session. Particularly interested in his support and encouragement of the young guys. Cheers.

Also, anyone know if they are they doing Princes Park time trials this week at all?

Edited January 5, 2015 by Moonshadow

[waynewussell 4,081]

Just to reiterate... Hogan was training as free as a bird for well over an hour, as he has been for at least a month by all reports. He did not signal a back issue. He pulled up and limped a little after a lead and subsequent kick at goal, then trained at pretty much top pace for another 15 minutes. He came to the boundary line and seemed to report stiffness in the RL, upper hamstring. The assistant coach/medico then put him through a series of stretch and push off quickly exercises. He did not appear to be limping, just a precaution I reckon. This all may be back related, but it didn't look like it.

[chook fowler 18,173]

Would that qualify as regicide?

Who's Reggy?

[dazzledavey36 48,643]

Just to reiterate... Hogan was training as free as a bird for well over an hour, as he has been for at least a month by all reports. He did not signal a back issue. He pulled up and limped a little after a lead and subsequent kick at goal, then trained at pretty much top pace for another 15 minutes. He came to the boundary line and seemed to report stiffness in the RL, upper hamstring. The assistant coach/medico then put him through a series of stretch and push off quickly exercises. He did not appear to be limping, just a precaution I reckon. This all may be back related, but it didn't look like it.

Wouldn't be surprise if its only back spasms by the sound of it.

I know the physios do a fantastic job but they got the Hogan one wrong last year and it cost him a whole year. Should have just rested him. It was only NAB cup.

Im sure they will be extra cautious with him this summer.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Wouldn't be surprise if its only back spasms by the sound of it.

I know the physios do a fantastic job but they got the Hogan one wrong last year and it cost him a whole year. Should have just rested him. It was only NAB cup.

Im sure they will be extra cautious with him this summer.

I think getting Hogan's back wrong is something you can only do once. A second time and you will be out of a job.

[dazzledavey36 48,643]

I think getting Hogan's back wrong is something you can only do once. A second time and you will be out of a job.

Yep agree.

[The Devil Inside 2,147]

Not much mentioned about Lumumba here. How was his session. Particularly interested in his support and encouragement of the young guys. Cheers.

Also, anyone know if they are they doing Princes Park time trials this week at all? vocal dr

I have mentioned him a couple of times, just completely professional in everything he does, slotted straight in, does extra running with anybody that requests it during or after the session, this time it was Cam Pedersen, he and Garlett are really good signings.

Garlett is willing to have a laugh at himself, during the pure running drills, he looks like he doesn't want to be there but does them, put the ball in his hand and completely different beast, I asked him today whether he enjoyed the 'running' today, said "every second".

Back to Lumumba, think he is grateful for Roos giving him the chance and wants to repay it, not very vocal during the drills but you can see he has earned the respect, leads by example

[The Devil Inside 2,147]

I think getting Hogan's back wrong is something you can only do once. A second time and you will be out of a job.

Its not the physios who diagnose, they treat whatever they are told to by the medicos, if Hogan said he was feeling a bit stiff in the back and not much else, what would the medical specialists on Demonland diagnose

[Demi Dee 578]

Popped down briefly this morning. Noticed a couple of outstanding moments.

Watts "Nice gear" to a pass from stretch in the rehab group. The weight, the speed and the sit of the pass brought a smile across his face. He saw the smarts and the skills. A not so subtle difference to the rib cage smashing monsters that Vandenberg was sending down. Although, his skills seemed sound. If he gets his fitness up, he will be a monster through the mid field.

Brayshaw firing a rocket like handball 20m. So fast in comparison to some of the floaters being passed around.

Salem, using both feet with sublime skill. Getting the player to where 'He' wants him. Not where the player feels he wants it. Can't wait to see him start to influence games like that.

Liked a Grimes/Petracca pairing. Saw them finish first in a running/push-up/sit-up drill. Then Grimes get down and do more push ups, Petraka thought he was done, realised and smashed out some more while others still finished. Grimes looked,dare I say it, quick. Albeit, a little thin.

Liked Hogan and Dawes constantly going over their leading patterns and advising each other every time. Their awareness of Garlett is exciting.

Only there for a short while, but, good to see a few there. Can someone tell me who was in the yellow boots. Very Tall. Should know, couldn't pick it.