Jump to content

AFL National Draft 2014 Picks 2 & 3



Recommended Posts

I'm thinking positively here. But why not. It's the most positive time of the year:

The way I see it is the best thing for us to improve quickly and become a top 8 quality side is Petracca. Along with Brayshaw, Tyson and Viney we can have a group of hard working contested ball winners lined up for the next decade. Whilst we still have Nath Jones and Vince, plus maybe even Crossy as well we should be able to actually learn to execute Roos' game style and have the guys to pull it off against most sides. We might not be able to beat the best sides unless we find some skilled outside runners as well as goal kickers, but we are at least in the contest.

McCartin could be very exciting. Having 2 big forward targets who not only mark and kick goals but compete ferociously around the ball. That would be great. If you developed them right and signed them to long term deals at reasonable money (not Tom Boyd money) in the days of free agency you could almost buy the rest of the side in. A bit like the hawks with Buddy, Roughy, Cyril, Lewis etc developing if you made it successfully experienced players would line up to join you for a premiership push. The downside there is you've got to wait a few years for McCartin and Hogan to mature, by which time if you don't have the help in the midfield you aren't winning games.

So I'm happy either way. It's all happiness this time of year but picks 2 and 3 sound a lot better than the saints with pick 1.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 1.7k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

I've got a contact at the club who is involved with the recruiting and drafting and I just thought I'd let you know that the issues you've been discussing here are exactly those that are being debated

I was going to post this here this morning but the thread mysteriously disappeared into the ether for a few hours. I went to the club's draft information night on Thursday evening which featured Jaso

This was on bigfooty from a Saints supporter and made me laugh. After I stopped laughing I figured out he was 100% right. "In 9 hours, we find out if Petracca is a very driven, highly talented gun an

Posted Images

I'm thinking positively here. But why not. It's the most positive time of the year:

The way I see it is the best thing for us to improve quickly and become a top 8 quality side is Petracca. Along with Brayshaw, Tyson and Viney we can have a group of hard working contested ball winners lined up for the next decade. Whilst we still have Nath Jones and Vince, plus maybe even Crossy as well we should be able to actually learn to execute Roos' game style and have the guys to pull it off against most sides. We might not be able to beat the best sides unless we find some skilled outside runners as well as goal kickers, but we are at least in the contest.

McCartin could be very exciting. Having 2 big forward targets who not only mark and kick goals but compete ferociously around the ball. That would be great. If you developed them right and signed them to long term deals at reasonable money (not Tom Boyd money) in the days of free agency you could almost buy the rest of the side in. A bit like the hawks with Buddy, Roughy, Cyril, Lewis etc developing if you made it successfully experienced players would line up to join you for a premiership push. The downside there is you've got to wait a few years for McCartin and Hogan to mature, by which time if you don't have the help in the midfield you aren't winning games.

So I'm happy either way. It's all happiness this time of year but picks 2 and 3 sound a lot better than the saints with pick 1.

agree with you entirely but would definitely prefer Petracca over McCartin - as you state, with Tyson and Viney we SHOULD be able to develop a 'big 4' midfield of genuine quality players, to me this is more important than another key forward. If we have a genuine midfield the rest will fall into place.. if there is no midfield we have nothing. Our backline is very solid and Hogan a potential star.. we also have some good secondary forwards. The midfield is the big key for us I feel. If the Saints call out McCartin I will be fist-pumping!

  • Like 6
Link to post
Share on other sites

So I'm happy either way. It's all happiness this time of year but picks 2 and 3 sound a lot better than the saints with pick 1.

Lever or another, 'Georgiou'...I wouldn't count him or them out just yet.

Maybe it's not either way, it's a few options. I know what Mahoney said and the club talking about out of 3 but Roos is the king of misleading information.

Still think it's probably out of the 3 but wouldn't be disappointed if it's not.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, in the argument of Drafting vs Development the team you chose as a team that develops well chose not to select the kid we did select.

So I guess the answer is - did the Eagles overlook a player they didn't think was worthy of a high selection? Or did we not develop him to his full potential?

I think it's both. But I really don't think Morton had a much of a future in the AFL even if he went to a club that develops well.

The fact is, he went to the Eagles as a mature player and person and he still failed, I think that lends itself to the verdict that we drafted poorly with that selection.

I'm going to side with what apparently is the vast minority and say that the admin/ coaching structures in place at the time made him a worse player. Not just didn't develop him, made him worse.

Everyone hates on the coaches/ admin from this era and yet when it comes to discussing the high draft picks it's the players fault for not coming on. I Don't get it.

Yeah, some draftees have an incredible internal drive that spurs them on to reach great heights, but you've got to remember they're 18 year old boys, how many kids that age have that sort of internal drive? Not many. And even if they did, how many have the knowledge and experience to extract all their talent? Even fewer. You need knowledgable staff to tell them what to do and senior players to show them how to do it. We didn't really have either.

I don't think it has any bearing - you could argue that having your first 5 years at a rubbish club does irreparable damage. Having said that, Morton looked a goer in his first couple of years and then stopped on a dime. This seems to be a bit of a pattern with us, we can't seem to get players to take that next step. Both Morton and Watts had/have all the tools/advantages required to be top-line players, there is no excuse or explanation, other than perhaps our rubbish culture and program, underfunded footy dept., poor facilities, bargain basement coaching etc etc I know some of these aspects have been improved (at least partially) but they were all present in Morton's first 5 years

Young(ish) players who showed something then went backwards (IMO) during the Bailey/ Neeld era:

Brock, Sylvia (to an extent), Bate, Petterd, Morton, Grimes, Trengove, Gysberts.

They all came in and showed they could seriously play, then went backwards at a rate of knots. BP made a couple of left field choices (and I love that Carlton took him on after us) but to blame it on poor recruiting is short sighted.

The Bailey/ Neeld era messed up a lot of potential.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

My bad MD, the foxsports facebook post I clicked on had them stating that Paddy Mac was confirmed.

No problems.

Benjamin Franklin once said, “Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.”

In researching the quote on google I found another beauty, "You can't trust quotes on the internet." - Benjamin Franklin

I think most people get stung the the media/internet at some time.

  • Like 4
Link to post
Share on other sites

No problems.

Benjamin Franklin once said, “Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.”

In researching the quote on google I found another beauty, "You can't trust quotes on the internet." - Benjamin Franklin

I think most people get stung the the media/internet at some time.

Or from that great philosopher Redleg, " the future is best determined in hindsight".

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Apologies if this has been posted but according to this article -

http://m.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/afl-phantom-draft-2014-jay-clark-and-sam-landsberger-predict-who-your-club-will-pick/story-e6frf3e3-1227132256899

- Saints are confirmed to taking Mccartin...

Your first mistake was listening to Demoneyes.

I am sure in a past life you may done something useful also! If you read the article above you will see what i have said confirmed about Lever ..."The twist: The Demons have looked hard at ACL victim Jake Lever at this selection given his ability to play and small". Happy princess?

Link to post
Share on other sites

BP made a couple of left field choices (and I love that Carlton took him on after us) but to blame it on poor recruiting is short sighted.

The Bailey/ Neeld era messed up a lot of potential.

Agree entirely and have been singing this tune for years. Many here find it easier to believe that changing the bloke who is head of recruiting is going to fix the club. The more inconvenient truth is that there is/has been something fundamentally wrong with many aspects of the club at large and that is why we have ZERO champions on the list.

So far, in the PJ/Roos era, we really only have one available case study - which is Dom Tyson. So far, so good.

PS when you talk of BP going left field, the only ones that can be argued are Gysberts and Cook. Everybody else at the pointy end got picked exactly where they should have been and that's just a fact.

Link to post
Share on other sites

The Bailey/ Neeld era messed up a lot of potential.

That may be, but I would argue that there wasn't enough potential there in the first place.

If saying that players 'not coming on is their own fault' is too easy an out, then equally the notion that 'some players have that internal drive to improve, and some don't' is similar an easy excuse. Surely you pick the players with the internal drive to improve?

I don't blame the entirety of our predicament on our poor recruitment but I refuse to believe we would turn a Dangerfield into a Morton and vice-versa - which I don't think you would disagree with me on.

We needed to have the best people in place, in a stable environment, with on field, experienced leaders...but we also needed to pick Dangerfield...

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

I am sure in a past life you may done something useful also! If you read the article above you will see what i have said confirmed about Lever ..."The twist: The Demons have looked hard at ACL victim Jake Lever at this selection given his ability to play and small". Happy princess?

I'd be disappointed at the club if they hadn't "looked hard" at the top-20 players available to us, doesn't mean they will select each one.

My gripe with you is the numerous times you claimed that Lever was basically a certainty, without any substantiation at all until yesterday when you latched onto the media's reports that St Kilda were going to take McCartin.

  • Like 7
Link to post
Share on other sites

Agree entirely and have been singing this tune for years. Many here find it easier to believe that changing the bloke who is head of recruiting is going to fix the club. The more inconvenient truth is that there is/has been something fundamentally wrong with many aspects of the club at large and that is why we have ZERO champions on the list.

So far, in the PJ/Roos era, we really only have one available case study - which is Dom Tyson. So far, so good.

PS when you talk of BP going left field, the only ones that can be argued are Gysberts and Cook. Everybody else at the pointy end got picked exactly where they should have been and that's just a fact.

That doesn't rule out us simply being wrong about the players chosen, in fact it lends itself to everyone being wrong about where they rated the players we chose.

Link to post
Share on other sites

That doesn't rule out us simply being wrong about the players chosen, in fact it lends itself to everyone being wrong about where they rated the players we chose.

You only have to look at the retrospective drafts that some of the media have done. I think 2002 and 2005 are the only ones that come close to getting it right.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Really?

He's not afraid to have an opinion, and goes very early, which is to be admired, but "pretty spot-on"?

I think not.

Actually. He is. Have a look at his phantom drafts over the last few years. He doesn't always get the order exactly right, but is never far off.

The guy watches a truck load of junior footy and bases his phantoms on what he sees. He never gets to interview the players like a club would.

He doesnt get any inside info from anyone.

He does an amazing job with the limited info he has.

He also loves chatting and sharing his opinion with others online very early on through the year.

God knows why anyone would want to watch that much junior football in their spare time.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd be disappointed at the club if they hadn't "looked hard" at the top-20 players available to us, doesn't mean they will select each one.

My gripe with you is the numerous times you claimed that Lever was basically a certainty, without any substantiation at all until yesterday when you latched onto the media's reports that St Kilda were going to take McCartin.

Oh you have a gripe? Latched onto media reports? All I was saying there was that it could all be thrown out the window, IF saints take Mccartin. Substantiation? What you want names and addresses of sources? Come on!!!! If no-one reported on here what they heard all you would be talking about is bananas, tv shows and dirty pictures!

Link to post
Share on other sites

Emma Quayle has just released her first round predictions and has McCartin going to the Saints at number 1.

She has Dees picking Brayshaw at 2 and Petracca at 3.

She is usually spot on so close to the draft.

  • Like 5
Link to post
Share on other sites

That doesn't rule out us simply being wrong about the players chosen, in fact it lends itself to everyone being wrong about where they rated the players we chose.

except that the top sides have a way higher strike rate of turning their high draft picks into champions - see the Hawks: Hodge, Roughead, Franklin, Lewis, Ellis, Rioli.. they get full value. Surely you can't pretend that's just luck?

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Emma Quayle has just released her first round predictions and has McCartin going to the Saints at number 1.

She has Dees picking Brayshaw at 2 and Petracca at 3.

She is usually spot on so close to the draft.

I remember one year she got the first dozen or so pretty much spot on

Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't understand how if Lever is rated so highly by us, then if we don't pick him, most people have him going pick 10-15 range. Surely other clubs at pick 4-8 would pick him up if he was that good.

Let's hope we get a few gems, whether it's McCartin/Brayshaw or Petrecca/Brayshaw. Melbourne need a bit of luck to go our way for a change.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    WASH, RINSE, SPIN, REPEAT! by George On The Outer

    Although the Demons got over the line in their must win final round game against the hapless Bombers, they ensured it was Groundhog Day for their supporters who well remember what happened three years ago (although, this time they at least enjoyed the success of victory). Melbourne had its customary start dominating play and having plenty of chances in front of goal, only to find itself down on the scoreboard at the first change. Inaccurate kicking, particularly from set shots would have pu

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    THE LUCK OF THE DRAW by Whispering Jack

    The long awaited clash between Melbourne and Essendon is almost upon us. Thirty-seven rounds of AFL football have passed by since the two clubs met on a balmy early April night last year in a game that produced a high scoring shootout at the MCG with the Bombers prevailing by 18 points. It was their only meeting for 2019 and happened at a time when the pandemic was something on the far distant horizon. Several months later when the 2019 season ended, the AFL issued the first of its fixtures

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THERE’S STILL A HEARTBEAT by George on the Outer

    When bottom side Adelaide scrapped together a win over the Giants last week, a tiny glimmer of hope opened up for the Demons’ finals chances. The patient was in intensive care but not quite finished — there was a faint pulse, a heart beating ever so slightly but was it enough when two more wins and other results were needed to fall their way? The first step was the resuscitation of a team that had lost its last two matches against sides then sitting fifteenth and sixteenth on the ladder. On

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 1

    THE FINAL HUMILIATION by The Oracle

    On Sunday, the Melbourne Football Club that won three consecutive games by in excess of 50 points last month returns to the Gabba, the scene of the last of those victories which was a 56 point drubbing of Collingwood. The Demons got off to a good start and won every quarter with a ruthless and powerful brand of football. They kicked 16 goals that day, their accuracy in front of goal a tribute to the skills the put on display throughout the afternoon and evening. In the four matches playe

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    GIVEN THE OLD HEAVE HO’ by George on the Outer

    Fremantle gave Melbourne the old heave ho’ from playing finals in 2020, in conditions that the Demons yet again failed to handle.   With the whole season on the line and the need to win to stay in contention for finals, what the fans saw was much the same as they have been witnessing so many times before — a complete debacle and capitulation against a side that sat 15th on the ladder before the game.     Promises made after the loss to the 16th placed Sydney Swans were rendered h

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    GETTING THE HEAVE HO by Bananabender

    The ute barely made it up to Cairns in time for us to check into the motel, fling a cane toad out the bathroom. and head over to Cazaly’s Stadium where we took up our position on the wing. There, we saw a completely different Melbourne to the one we watched on the screen only a few nights earlier from Alice Springs. This lot wore similar colours and Maxy dominated the ruck but the similarities ended there - the Demons were simply dreadful against the Swans. They started sluggishly, were spe

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    A CLANGER IN CAIRNS by George on the Outer

    Having fought back into finals contention, the Demons had it all before them when facing a lowly Sydney in Cairns.  But in typical Melbourne fashion, they threw away the opportunity to cement their spot in the eight with a clanger of a game.  Right from the start, there was little to enthuse from the Melbourne players, who appeared to think that they only had to turn up, enjoy the North Queensland sun, and take away the four points.  Compared with the furious ground wide pressure of the

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    TEN MINUTES LATE by Whispering Jack

    The late Norm Smith, who played in four Melbourne premierships and coached another six, was a strong disciplinarian. Known as the Red Fox for his auburn hair and his cunning, Smith was a man of a different age to the here and now. Born during the Great War, he survived the Spanish Flu Pandemic, grew up in depression times, played mostly through the Second World War and its aftermath and coached in a period of rebuilding and recovery to a time of prosperity. Smith’s success was built on team

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    SAINTS HELL IN DEES HEAVEN by GOTO

    The last of this year’s indigenous games was played in the red heart of the country and could well have determined Melbourne’s finals aspirations but it was St Kilda that had its top four hopes dashed after a nail-biting finish in Alice Springs which saw them unceremoniously marched out of the position in football heaven occupied by them for much of this season. It all came down in the end to a goal-line decision as to whether a freakish shot by Christian Petracca was touched and the goal u

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    DO OR DIE by The Oracle

    Melbourne is, not for the first time, paying for lapses in matches whereby the club leaks multiple goals without answer and which usually cost the club in those all-important eight point games as it did last week against the Western Bulldogs which replaced the Demons in the AFL top eight. And this week, they come up against a team that reputedly plays in the same mode as the Bulldogs but has been able to prevail over better opponents than Melbourne. It’s not that the Demons are out of form

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    GIVE THE DOGS A BONE by George on the Outer

    The winner of the game is in the top eight and the loser out. Had Melbourne won, it would have consigned the Bulldogs season to the scrapheap given their remaining fixture which still includes a bye. The Demons led at half-time but they gave the Dogs a bone which was willingly accepted — they notched 6 goals in the third quarter and dumped the Demons out of the eight. This game simply saw all the bad habits return for Melbourne players.  When they serve up dinky kicks, dinky handballs, litt

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    FRENZY by Whispering Jack

    The Melbourne Football Club should hand out an award to the person who came up with the concept of the 20 day football frenzy the football world experienced from Round 9 to the completion of Round 12 on Monday. When the AFL fixture was moved into a state of perpetual motion, things changed so quickly that it was difficult to fathom exactly what was happening to the competition but the Demons have been one of the beneficiaries to date. The flogging the team received at the hands of Port Adel

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews


×
×
  • Create New...