Frawley wants to know...

[beelzebub 23,364]

LOL - that's soooo 60's BB

but i do see where you are coming from

So

" I have a dream" is done and dusted too ??

some ideologies are timeless

[Damo 3,355]

some ideologies are timeless

As are windbags

[beelzebub 23,364]

As are windbags

well done son...crawl back into your corner

your total offering to this subject is a 2nd rate throw away....good one

Edited February 2, 2014 by beelzebub

[sue 9,102]

direction...leadership influence outcome

people not see the flow ?

You dont wait, you make

its everything about leadership

Your making a fool of yourself like I just said he's had 7 coaches in 8 yrs.

I agree mjt. BB is being unrealistic.

But do you always have to add things like 'making a fool of yourself'. It is possible to disagree with someone without abuse.

[jumbo returns 6,741]

direction...leadership influence outcome

people not see the flow ?

You dont wait, you make

its everything about leadership

Some don't have it, BB.

Can't be conjured overnight.

[beelzebub 23,364]

Some don't have it, BB.

Can't be conjured overnight.

thats at least a valid counterpoint

unlike others

but then if he doesnt have it...how is he in the leadership group

If he makes claims he ought to back them up.

Seems to me he wants it both ways.

I make more of it that he makes a stance now, seems rather theatrical and contrived.

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

Hes had 7 coaches in 8 years, he's probably had enough.

Granted. But not a coach of Roos' calibre.

[Machsy 2,858]

direction...leadership influence outcome

people not see the flow ?

You dont wait, you make

its everything about leadership

Very idealistic, but there is no one man team in the AFL.

He is but one man, and he has toiled manfully for many years.

I don't blame him for waiting.

But I also think you are misrepresenting the situation as if he has been unreasonable.

I'd appreciate you naming one single player who has made a different decision at such a stage.

[mjt 640]

I agree mjt. BB is being unrealistic.

But do you always have to add things like 'making a fool of yourself'. It is possible to disagree with someone without abuse.

Its only lighthearted sue don't be so precious .

[sue 9,102]

Its only lighthearted sue don't be so precious .

How about you put

<lighthearted> ....... </lighthearted>

around your remarks to make it clear to us precious types when you are being lighthearted and when you are being abusive.

[mjt 640]

How about you put

<lighthearted> ....... </lighthearted>

around your remarks to make it clear to us precious types when you are being lighthearted and when you are being abusive.

How about you put me on ignore , I wasn't even replying to you in the first place.

[beelzebub 23,364]

lol

my precious !!!

[jumbo returns 6,741]

thats at least a valid counterpoint

unlike others

but then if he doesnt have it...how is he in the leadership group

If he makes claims he ought to back them up.

Seems to me he wants it both ways.

I make more of it that he makes a stance now, seems rather theatrical and contrived.

Well, negotiations are precarious….he needs some encouragement? Mentoring? Perhaps, deep down, this is the promotion he has always craved, but couldn't verbalise?

I still think he's an exceptional player and must not be lost...

[beelzebub 23,364]

Well, negotiations are precarious….he needs some encouragement? Mentoring? Perhaps, deep down, this is the promotion he has always craved, but couldn't verbalise?

I still think he's an exceptional player and must not be lost...

I agree wholeheartedly with the notion of mentoring.

Dont get me wrong....beyond my bemusement and scathing indifference is a will that he stays. But he has to want to stay and if not then what ever is

Who ever is in his his ear is doing no favours....to whatever is nibbling away at his concioussness and evoking ( for mine ) an unrealistic understanding of what awaits and indeed what are the choice.

Om dead curious as to why even broach this subject now....seems agenda driven

[rpfc 28,405]

How about you put me on ignore , I wasn't even replying to you in the first place.

You have complained in the past at others, invariably Machsy, being abusive toward you - and here you are being indignant.

If you don't like this community, mjt, there is no law or academic requirement I have heard of that keeps a person here.

[Hannibal 5,814]

If you don't like this community, mjt, there is no law or academic requirement I have heard of that keeps a person here.

You seem to think we're a tribe.

We're not.

[What 18,810]

how is this even a story?

No players sign contracts this early before they are out of contract, unless they are hacks who are lucky to be offered one

[beelzebub 23,364]

how is this even a story?

No players sign contracts this early before they are out of contract, unless they are hacks who are lucky to be offered one

you cant be reading the papers much then...... a lot of other players at others clubs.......are....amazing hey .....lol

[jumbo returns 6,741]

I agree wholeheartedly with the notion of mentoring.

Dont get me wrong....beyond my bemusement and scathing indifference is a will that he stays. But he has to want to stay and if not then what ever is

Who ever is in his his ear is doing no favours....to whatever is nibbling away at his concioussness and evoking ( for mine ) an unrealistic understanding of what awaits and indeed what are the choice.

Om dead curious as to why even broach this subject now....seems agenda driven

I think there's an undercurrent of loyalty that you're alluding to here. The ol' playing for the jumper...

That's now a changing mindset, brought about by several 'I am loyal and love the Club' players jumping ship for coin, motivation, greater prizes, or whatever.

Chip's manager is in his ear….make no mistake about that.

Edited February 2, 2014 by jumbo returns

[mjt 640]

You have complained in the past at others, invariably Machsy, being abusive toward you - and here you are being indignant.

If you don't like this community, mjt, there is no law or academic requirement I have heard of that keeps a person here.

Then best you leave , I wasn't replying to sue or you so mind your own business , who do you think you are telling people to leave the forum, the only person that wasn't insulted was BB 59 and he was the one I was replying to. Edited February 2, 2014 by mjt

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

Then best you leave , I wasn't replying to sue or you so mind your own business , who do you think are telling people to leave the forum, the only person that wasn't insulted was BB 59 and he was the one I was replying to.

rpfc likes to think he is the thought police around here. Be PC or just learn to deal with the constant ankle biting.

[mjt 640]

rpfc likes to think he is the thought police around here. Be PC or just learn to deal with the constant ankle biting.

Not wrong .

[jumbo returns 6,741]

What's wrong with a debate done with decency?

[Elusive Tunbridge 795]

I'm with beelzebub on this. You can hold back until you see the direction (Watts, Frawley) or you can get in and set the direction (Grimes, Jones, Garland).

[beelzebub 23,364]

I'm with beelzebub on this. You can hold back until you see the direction (Watts, Frawley) or you can get in and set the direction (Grimes, Jones, Garland).

its a bit under said isnt it.

Im just curious as to what anyone..ANYONE expects of the future..or of their influence towards it

Again, why is this on the deck now ?? Other clubs 's players get through this but some of ours seem to use it as an excuse for other reasons ( my thinking )

The Dees would surely be stepping out on the best path they have since my living memory.... yet some dont buy in ?? yeah right esp as an elected leader. yeah..shred me by all means . Im not convinced he's dead set