Stats that Matter (or do they?)

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Well folks, we're 15 rounds in and deep into the 2013 season so i thought it might be interesting to see who's leading the count on some of the key (publicly available) stats. And yes i realise Magner has only played 2 matches so not really a meaningful number for an average, but hey, it's an average! I also realise most of Spencer's amazing disposal effectiveness % is down to him more than likely just a handfull of possessions where he handballs to a player 2 or 3 feet away for the easy lay off (often a set play around a ruckman) etc etc. But I'm just putting the raw numbers up for interest's sake.

So here they are...

(Player Average Per Game)

Contested Possessions

• N Jones (10.43)
• J Magner (10.00)
• J Grimes (9.17)
• J Viney (8.67)
• D Rodan (8.13)
• C Sylvia (7.64)

Uncontested Possessions

• M Clisby (16.67)
• M Jones (13.50)
• N Jones (12.79)
• D Terlich (12.69)
• J Grimes (11.67)
• C Sylvia (11.55)

Clearances

• N Jones (5.64)
• J Magner (5.00)
• J Viney (4.17)
• D Rodan (3.75)
• J Grimes (3.33)
• J McKenzie (3.13)

Effective Disposals

1. M Clisby (17.00)

1. N Jones (17.00)

3. J Grimes (15.67)

4. D Terlich (15.31)

5. M Jones (13.86)

6. J Magner (13.00)

Disposal Effectiveness %

• J Strauss (87.78)
• N Jetta (87.08)
• M Clisby (83.17)
• C Pedersen (82.45)
• J Spencer (82.03)
• J Frawley (80.99)

Tackles

• J Magner (6.00)
• J Trengove (5.25)
• C Sylvia (4.64)
• D Rodan (4.63)
• C Garland (4.21)
• J Grimes (4.17)

Clangers

1. T Gillies (3.5)

2. M Clisby (3.0)

2. D Terlich (3.0)

4. J Viney (2.8)

5. J Spencer (2.7)

6. C Pedersen (2.6)

Contested Marks

• J Howe (1.79)
• M Clark (1.50)
• C Dawes (1.38)
• M Gawn (1.25)
• M Jamar (1.11)
• J Fitzpatrick (1.00)

Marks Inside 50

• M Clark (1.75)
• J Fitzpatrick (1.60)
• J Howe (1.50)
• J Watts (1.30)
• C Dawes (1.25)
• M Gawn (0.88)

Goal Assists

• C Dawes (0.88)
• J Fitzpatrick (0.80)
• C Sylvia (0.64)
• D Rodan (0.63)
• L Tapscott (0.60)
• M Evans (0.56)

Rebound 50s

• T McDonald (4.22)
• D Terlich (4.00)
• C Garland (3.93)
• J Frawley (3.58)
• L Dunn (3.30)
• J Grimes (2.83)

1 Percenters

• C Garland (8.64)
• T Gillies (8.00)
• T McDonald (6.67)
• J Seller (4.83)
• C Pedersen (4.50)
• J Frawley (3.58)

Bounces

• D Rodan (2.50)
• M Clisby (2.00)
• C Sylvia (1.82)
• S Blease (1.33)
• M Clark (1.25)
• M Jones (1.14)

Inside 50s

• C Sylvia (5.09)
• C Dawes (3.25)
• M Evans (3.22)
• N Jones (3.07)
• J Magner (3.00)
• M Jones (2.86)

Stats: Courtesy of Footywire

[Waltham33 475]

In regard to the stats above, Magner appears a bit.

On a separate note, I continue to cringe at all the analysts on tv and radio who do nothing more than read stats. Not exactly analysis

[Redleg 40,905]

Well folks, we're 15 rounds in and deep into the 2013 season so i thought it might be interesting to see who's leading the count on some of the key (publicly available) stats. And yes i realise Magner has only played 2 matches so not really a meaningful number for an average, but hey, it's an average! I also realise most of Spencer's amazing disposal effectiveness % is down to him more than likely just a handfull of possessions where he handballs to a player 2 or 3 feet away for the easy lay off (often a set play around a ruckman) etc etc. But I'm just putting the raw numbers up for interest's sake.

So here they are...

(Player Average Per Game)

Contested Possessions

• N Jones (10.43)
• J Magner (10.00)
• J Grimes (9.17)
• J Viney (8.67)
• D Rodan (8.13)
• C Sylvia (7.64)

Uncontested Possessions

• M Clisby (16.67)
• M Jones (13.50)
• N Jones (12.79)
• D Terlich (12.69)
• J Grimes (11.67)
• C Sylvia (11.55)

Clearances

• N Jones (5.64)
• J Magner (5.00)
• J Viney (4.17)
• D Rodan (3.75)
• J Grimes (3.33)
• J McKenzie (3.13)

Effective Disposals

1. M Clisby (17.00)

1. N Jones (17.00)

3. J Grimes (15.67)

4. D Terlich (15.31)

5. M Jones (13.86)

6. J Magner (13.00)

Disposal Effectiveness %

• J Strauss (87.78)
• N Jetta (87.08)
• M Clisby (83.17)
• C Pedersen (82.45)
• J Spencer (82.03)
• J Frawley (80.99)

Tackles

• J Magner (6.00)
• J Trengove (5.25)
• C Sylvia (4.64)
• D Rodan (4.63)
• C Garland (4.21)
• J Grimes (4.17)

Clangers

1. T Gillies (3.5)

2. M Clisby (3.0)

2. D Terlich (3.0)

4. J Viney (2.8)

5. J Spencer (2.7)

6. C Pedersen (2.6)

Contested Marks

• J Howe (1.79)
• M Clark (1.50)
• C Dawes (1.38)
• M Gawn (1.25)
• M Jamar (1.11)
• J Fitzpatrick (1.00)

Marks Inside 50

• M Clark (1.75)
• J Fitzpatrick (1.60)
• J Howe (1.50)
• J Watts (1.30)
• C Dawes (1.25)
• M Gawn (0.88)

Goal Assists

• C Dawes (0.88)
• J Fitzpatrick (0.80)
• C Sylvia (0.64)
• D Rodan (0.63)
• L Tapscott (0.60)
• M Evans (0.56)

Rebound 50s

• T McDonald (4.22)
• D Terlich (4.00)
• C Garland (3.93)
• J Frawley (3.58)
• L Dunn (3.30)
• J Grimes (2.83)

1 Percenters

• C Garland (8.64)
• T Gillies (8.00)
• T McDonald (6.67)
• J Seller (4.83)
• C Pedersen (4.50)
• J Frawley (3.58)

Bounces

• D Rodan (2.50)
• M Clisby (2.00)
• C Sylvia (1.82)
• S Blease (1.33)
• M Clark (1.25)
• M Jones (1.14)

Inside 50s

• C Sylvia (5.09)
• C Dawes (3.25)
• M Evans (3.22)
• N Jones (3.07)
• J Magner (3.00)
• M Jones (2.86)

Stats: Courtesy of Footywire

Interesting that Rodan, who leads bounces for the MFC and is 4th in clearances,goal assists, tackles and 5th in contested possessions, is dropped, while my "favourite", Byrnes, remains in the side. This has to be his swan song.

[beelzebub 23,364]

A good argument why many stats are essentially bogus.

I know some swear by them. I generally swear at them. Theres often very little context to them and i laugh at whats often deemed an 'effective ' disposal.

Edited July 13, 2013 by belzebub59

[durango 2,007]

The only stat that matters is the one on the scoreboard all the others only show how the result was attained.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Interesting that Rodan, who leads bounces for the MFC and is 4th in clearances,goal assists, tackles and 5th in contested possessions, is dropped, while my "favourite", Byrnes, remains in the side. This has to be his swan song.

Even worse IMO Red is bringing in Blease to replace Rodan. Why would you replace a genuine mid fielder (at least for us at the present moment) and not replace him with another, leaving us even more under manned in the rotations and even more vulnerable through the mid?

Looking at the 3 of them, Byrnes/Blease/Rodan here are their rankings against the entire list of 37 that have played so far (38 if you include Joel MacDonald but he's excluded from the averages, only having played 1 match so far this season)....

Contested

Rodan (5th); Fair result, inside the top 5

Byrnes (23rd) ; Fail, outside the top 22

Blease (31st) ; Fail, outside the top 22

You would expect Blease to be low here given he's an outside runner/receiver. But again, to ommit Rodan and replace with an outside runner against one of the best congested defensive teams in the AFL? Not for mine.

Uncontesed

Byrnes (19th) ; I consider this a fail given that he doesn't appear to be playing a contested role very well either.

Rodan (22nd) ; By the hair of his chinny chin chin he scrapes in to the top 22. probably not good enough though even so for a player of his experience.

Blease (28th) ; Fail, not even close to the top 22 here.

On the above 2 records alone this is a massive signal to a selection panel NOT to select Blease for his outside run for THIS particular match.

Clearances

Another key stat when trying to compete against such a competitive stoppage team like the Cats.....

Rodan (4th) ; Good result, Top 5

Byrnes (13th) ; Slightly better than a pass given that's not his forte'

Blease (25th) ; Even though he's an outside receiver/runner i consider this a fail as there's 24 players in front of him on this, not 21

Effective Disposals

Now, lets look at how these three perform once they get the ball in their hands in terms of getting it to the next player with a degree of accuracy

Rodan (17th) ; not so good

Byrnes (22nd) ; a tad worse

Blease (36th) ; only one below him here and that's Tom Gillies!

Inside 50s

Byrnes (9th) ; Pass

Rodan (11th) ; Pass

Blease (17th) ; Barely a pass and you would expect more given this is what he's probably expected to do a fair amount of.

I agree Byrnes isn't setting the world on fire Red, but i'd have him before Blease (at this point) even just for his uncontested ability, and especially in a match against the Cats on his old home turf. I certainly wouldn't have Blease replacing Rodan. What a massive blunder on the selection panel and coach's part.

And if you aren't doing so well at most of the above (Blease/Byrnes), then how about tackling your way into the contest, that might help a little?....

Tackles

Rodan (4th) ; Top 5 is more than a pass

Byrnes (16th) ; Barely a pass

Blease (36th) ; Again, only beaten here by Tom Gillies

Lets face it, Blease is just not up to this level.....yet. Maybe with another pre season and if he cleans up his disposals and improves his defensive side a little.

In addition the selection panel should have bolstered the mid field rotations today (not depeleted them with the exclusion of Rodan for an outsider, who's not even very effective at doing that, in Blease). Magner an easy in today to account for Davey, especially on such a skinny ground where Magner would be more capable of getting to a few more contests at Skilled and potentially having a bigger impact than say Davey.

My confidence in Neil Craig's pre match strategic thinking took a big hit today.

Edited July 13, 2013 by Rusty Nails

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,754]

Rusty, you make a persuasive case. Perhaps the match committee was doing what many on here implore them to do...'play the kids'.

Rodan won't be around when we are next challenging for anything other than the bottom four so we might as well find out whether Blease should be. In a similar vein, I don't think Kent has done enough in the last few games to retain his place if we were worrying about the here and now, but I applaud the decision to keep playing him to give him more experience. I'd like them to be a tad more courageous and play Strauss instead of Dunn. We know what Dunn can do - I think we're still to determine whether Strauss will make it.

[Redleg 40,905]

For those who say we didn't have a go yesterday, we lost the contested possession count by only 11. Not bad in the wet, against the best wet weather side.

[Machsy 2,858]

Interesting that Rodan, who leads bounces for the MFC and is 4th in clearances,goal assists, tackles and 5th in contested possessions, is dropped, while my "favourite", Byrnes, remains in the side. This has to be his swan song.

Rodan is just far too unpredictable to his teammates, especially forwards ahead of him trying to lead for him.

Next time you see him with the ball, imagine being a forward ahead trying to lead for him.

It'd be a nightmare, with all his stutter steps, jukes, twisting and turning.

I'd hate playing with him.

[beelzebub 23,364]

For those who say we didn't have a go yesterday, we lost the contested possession count by only 11. Not bad in the wet, against the best wet weather side.

problem was they had a fair bit of UNCONTESTED ball. To do with at will.

[CBDees 3,167]

Interesting that Rodan, who leads bounces for the MFC and is 4th in clearances,goal assists, tackles and 5th in contested possessions, is dropped, while my "favourite", Byrnes, remains in the side. This has to be his swan song.

Why would it be Byrnes swansong? If you are talking about statistics, he scored half our total goals yesterday!

[deanox 9,914]

problem was they had a fair bit of UNCONTESTED ball. To do with at will.

yep and the were two reasons for this I reckon. A) we didn't run hard enough to provide uncontested options; we were constantly kicking to contests. B) the wet weather affected or ability to retain the ball; dropped marks were rife and we struggled in the contests mark column, compared to most weeks.