The Trade/Draft Rumour Mill

[beelzebub 22,225]

Where is it coming from?

Is that rhetorical?

I think he is Band 3 as Pearce and Chaplin before him.

Band 3 is the pick behind out 2nd round pick. About 24 when pushed out by other comp picks.

That is where it is coming from.

You can tell me it BS but don't tell me you don't know the logic.

The logic is sound, the answer awaits.

you think...stop there...You DONT know

Arguments can be made for a variety of outcomes but only one counts....the whim of the AFL...and they really have our back dont they.

you know nothing...you are assuming..

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Not having a go per se but whilst the arguments all look good , there has been shown little rhyme or reason in past rulings by Vlad Inc. i.e no consistency. I would put it that many(here ) place far more value in Col than the market and the AFL actually do. He was a cheap pick up by Freo, thats the reality of it.

Edited October 14, 2013 by beelzebub

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Where is it coming from?

Is that rhetorical?

I think he is Band 3 as Pearce and Chaplin before him.

Band 3 is the pick behind out 2nd round pick. About 24 when pushed out by other comp picks.

That is where it is coming from.

You can tell me it BS but don't tell me you don't know the logic.

The logic is sound, the answer awaits.

I fear Band 4 compo will be the case. My reasons are that B&F results and old and new contract size come into play. As we know Colin has a pretty woeful record in club B&Fs, he obviously wasn't on a massive contract if he was an unrestricted free agent (i.e. he would have been restricted if he was in the top handful of earners at the club), and lastly, he didn't leave for Freo because of a big contract offer, he left to chase premierships and finals footy, meaning he signed for similar, perhaps even less money.

But anyway, we will see. Hopefully Band 3.

[rpfc 27,391]

You can think its Band 4, Band 5, Little River Band, Band-aid... I don't care.

But don't give me the rhetorical flourish "I don't know we're that is coming from" - I have been boring this site for a year about 'where it is coming from.'

[beelzebub 22,225]

RPFC by any other logic it can be shown that the AFL has scant regard for precedent... if they had...we'd have a PP right now. We dont

[rpfc 27,391]

I fear Band 4 compo will be the case. My reasons are that B&F results and old and new contract size come into play. As we know Colin has a pretty woeful record in club B&Fs, he obviously wasn't on a massive contract if he was an unrestricted free agent (i.e. he would have been restricted if he was in the top handful of earners at the club), and lastly, he didn't leave for Freo because of a big contract offer, he left to chase premierships and finals footy, meaning he signed for similar, perhaps even less money.

But anyway, we will see. Hopefully Band 3.

I am really sorry to correct you here but Colin was an UFA because he has 'played' at MFC for 10 years. 2004 was his first year.

The top 10 earners rule applies to players OOC after 8 or 9 years and are not in the top 10 earners at the club; they are UFA.

Sylvia was most definitely very well paid at Melbourne.

[whatwhat say what 18,793]

I'm expecting band 4 too.

It's a bummer.

[tonatopia 278]

It's all a about equalization.

Look at the hawks for example.

We will get a good pick for Sylvia. He was as important to us as buddy was to the dorks.

[beelzebub 22,225]

its about the onward contract value for compo...not what anyone WAS on.

Whilst he(cs) was undoubtedly in the top25% pay at Melbourne he achieved little really in the Bluey and goes on to a mediocre contract at Freo. Not that much to crow about etc.

I think many will be disappointed. It may well be why some trades have stalled. Clubs waiting to see what the REAL outcomes of compos are before dealing.. you'd be mad not to.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,106]

I can't help but think there is bigger things happening with Frawley..... If he does end up as part of a mega trade I hope we don't get shafted. If he doesn't get traded we'll know his further intentions soon enough if he mutters the words 'I'll make my decision at the end of the season'.

I'd rather trade Frawley now rather than he leave next year for free agency and we get less compensation.

[Goodvibes 3,596]

Where is it coming from?

Is that rhetorical?

I think he is Band 3 as Pearce and Chaplin before him.

Band 3 is the pick behind out 2nd round pick. About 24 when pushed out by other comp picks.

That is where it is coming from.

You can tell me it BS but don't tell me you don't know the logic.

The logic is sound, the answer awaits.

And there's always the fact that on the day of Sylvia's departure Mahoney said the club expects band 2 or 3 compensation.

[beelzebub 22,225]

And there's always the fact that on the day of Sylvia's departure Mahoney said the club expects band 2 or 3 compensation.

Roos was pretty certain we were up for a PP.. Funny how it doesnt always pan out .

[Machsy 2,856]

Alleged 700k a year for Shaw? What a waste of coin.

How's this idea? Let's throw big paper at Callan Ward.....surely he'd be a tad annoyed at the figures being touted?

Do you somehow forget that Ward also went to GWS as a FA for big coin?

I doubt Ward could care less what Shaw is on, let alone being annoyed.

[Machsy 2,856]

I can't help but think there is bigger things happening with Frawley..... If he does end up as part of a mega trade I hope we don't get shafted. If he doesn't get traded we'll know his further intentions soon enough if he mutters the words 'I'll make my decision at the end of the season'.

Paranoiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

[Machsy 2,856]

Roos was pretty certain we were up for a PP.. Funny how it doesnt always pan out .

Was he?

He publicly pushed the issue, but only when journos brought it up themselves.

Anyway, I fail to see the same logical deductions from rpfc's argument, in the reasoning for those who think we'll receive band 4 or worse.

FCS, B&F finishes have been used as a supporting argument.

Are you guys aware he finished 5th this year in the B&F??

Contract is for 3 years.

The only basis I can see Sylvia getting lower than band 3, is based on money, since we don't know what that is.

But I'd be willing to bet Sylvia is still making sure he gets his coin.

[Goodvibes 3,596]

Roos was pretty certain we were up for a PP.. Funny how it doesnt always pan out .

That's not the point. I was merely helping explain where the band 3 expectations are "coming from". They're coming from our own club.

[beelzebub 22,225]

Was he?

He publicly pushed the issue, but only when journos brought it up themselves.

Anyway, I fail to see the same logical deductions from rpfc's argument, in the reasoning for those who think we'll receive band 4 or worse.

FCS, B&F finishes have been used as a supporting argument.

Are you guys aware he finished 5th this year in the B&F??

Contract is for 3 years.

The only basis I can see Sylvia getting lower than band 3, is based on money, since we don't know what that is.

But I'd be willing to bet Sylvia is still making sure he gets his coin.

Col has gone chasing glory. 3 years on similar coin to what we were paying/ prepared to pay. He hasnt gone for a fortune. Has low achievements to support a good case on compo. Band 3 will be luxurious. Wouldn t count on it though

[beelzebub 22,225]

That's not the point. I was merely helping explain where the band 3 expectations are "coming from". They're coming from our own club.

thats true.. pumping the tyres. We arent taking too many tricks lately.

[DeeMfc 621]

Paranoiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

Sorry machsy but you've got it wrong there. I don't suffer from the above or any form of mfcss. I'm level headed and see things as they are.

Thanks for the assumption though.....

I'll give you one simple (just for you) example. Brian Lake has 1-2 years left at best. Buddy Franklin's departure leaves heaps of cap space for the next two years. (Stay with me machsy, focus!) Lake retires. Frawley out of contract and is offered overs because he can do what Lake just did last month for the Hawks and get a medallion (or two) to boot.

You would have to be a goose if you think that 'one' example is not reasonably likely.

Don't be late for school...

[Machsy 2,856]

Not only are you paranoid, but you're funny!

Last time I heard that joke, I laughed so hard I fell off my dinosaur.

[DeeMfc 621]

Nah not paranoid at all machsy. Just over exaggerating my response. Like you did... It's all good

[Whispering_Jack 27,927]

I am really sorry to correct you here but Colin was an UFA because he has 'played' at MFC for 10 years. 2004 was his first year.

The top 10 earners rule applies to players OOC after 8 or 9 years and are not in the top 10 earners at the club; they are UFA.

Sylvia was most definitely very well paid at Melbourne.

I hear what you're saying about the categorisation of our compensation at Band 3 rather than Band 4 but I'm not convinced about one aspect. I seem to recall that the two players who left Port Adelaide were both put on 4 year contracts rather than the 3 year contract which Sylvia is getting. Hence, a possible difference in the compensation we might be given for Sylvia as compared with that for the Port pair. Does that make sense?

[beelzebub 22,225]

History seems to support the notion that when a player leaves to gain a better contract, longer and higher remunerations then the compo is better favoured. When they just leave , which is essentially the case with Sylvia...it doesnt seem to favour the club left quite as well.

[PJ_12345 1,098]

I hear what you're saying about the categorisation of our compensation at Band 3 rather than Band 4 but I'm not convinced about one aspect. I seem to recall that the two players who left Port Adelaide were both put on 4 year contracts rather than the 3 year contract which Sylvia is getting. Hence, a possible difference in the compensation we might be given for Sylvia as compared with that for the Port pair. Does that make sense?

History seems to support the notion that when a player leaves to gain a better contract, longer and higher remunerations then the compo is better favoured. When they just leave , which is essentially the case with Sylvia...it doesnt seem to favour the club left quite as well.

However it is believed that Thomas (4 year contract) is going to have better compensation than Franklin (9 year contract).

Given Sylvia's age, previous contract, and contract at Freo - I'm hoping for Band 3 but might be Band 4.

[beelzebub 22,225]

I think an aspect to this that some of us are suggesting needs be applied when considering all this and thus tempering expectations is that theres little if any real consistency to this compo lark

[drdrake 3,035]

At the footy late in the year, It was a stock standard home game over by half time garbage footy so I took up my position at the bar. The conversation was all the trade period and free agency. A bloke joined in the conversation he stated Sylvia will be gone as a free agent and we will not get a priority pick but we will be over compensated for Sylvia. I think if you work through the AFL Free agent compensation Sylvia will be Band 4, we might get band 3 because we missed out on the priority pick, the same blokes that submitted on the priority pick decided on the level of compensation for free agents.