We must be missing something

[CHAMP 347]

And why bother giving him Bryan Kenneally's old number if you're going to apply exclusive and particular selection criteria to picking him for AFL games.

Maybe the number change was under Cam Schwab's direction (Kenneally had a very similar build, played 'Ruck Rover', wing and half-forward, was hard at it but probably didn't have the natural ability of many others in the sides he played in (1959-1969)). OK, Bryan played for Victoria in 1967 but he'd have been picked on application rather than talent.

[Wormburner 674]

I'm stumped, I rate Magner and would not be surprised if he left at the end of the season.

The FD want to focus on tackling and contested possessions, so they leave out one of our toughest and hard at it players....there off there heads I swear!

[Little Richard 6,262]

If we lose Magner because of erratic selection behaviour, it wouldn't surprise me. None of the ineptness surprises me anymore

Edited June 6, 2013 by Django

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,817]

Two things that have me stumped:

1) How Magner does not get a game.

2) How Bail gets a game.

[mjt 640]

Another knee-jerk anti-Neeld post. Anything that seems wrong, it's his fault. Maybe it is. But as a number of subsequent posters have posted, there may be many sensible reasons as to why Magner was omitted. And add to that there may be things that we don't know - not that that would stop some people rushing to judgement.

Continually amazed by the depth of anti-Neeld sentiment. You'd think he took over the Hawks and suddenly they became a crap team, rather than he took over a crap team, cleaned it out and started again.

Another knee-jerk anti-Neeld post. Anything that seems wrong, it's his fault. Maybe it is. But as a number of subsequent posters have posted, there may be many sensible reasons as to why Magner was omitted. And add to that there may be things that we don't know - not that that would stop some people rushing to judgement.

Continually amazed by the depth of anti-Neeld sentiment. You'd think he took over the Hawks and suddenly they became a crap team, rather than he took over a crap team, cleaned it out and started again.

this is coming from someone who backed Schwab to you where blue in the face , give it a rest, Neelds record speaks for itself, as for Magner surely he's better than spuds like Bail and Nicholson. Edited June 6, 2013 by mjt

[demonchris 162]

I agree Magnar should be getting a game, but Bail and Nicholson play different positions to Magnar.

[felixdacat 459]

What would Jeff do?

lol

[PJ_12345 1,098]

Magner won't leave. He isn't a free or restricted agent so we would have to trade him and to be honest no one will want him - there is a reason he was in the draft 7 times (if memory serves me correctly) until we picked him up.

To all the people saying he has been mistreated because:

1) We kept him on the rookie list - Evans and Nicholson were at the end of their 2 year max stay on the rookie list and either had to be promoted or dropped and Magner could stay on the rooki list for an extra year

2) We drop him - he is a great VFL player but limited AFL player.

At the end of the day I'd have Magner in than Bail. Maybe the team selectors think that Magner has reached his glass ceiling and Bail/anyone else they have selected over him has a higher one and needs game experience.

I dunno... but how the hell Rohan Bail still get games amazes me.

[CHAMP 347]

Magner won't leave. He isn't a free or restricted agent so we would have to trade him and to be honest no one will want him - there is a reason he was in the draft 7 times (if memory serves me correctly) until we picked him up.

To all the people saying he has been mistreated because:

1) We kept him on the rookie list - Evans and Nicholson were at the end of their 2 year max stay on the rookie list and either had to be promoted or dropped and Magner could stay on the rooki list for an extra year

2) We drop him - he is a great VFL player but limited AFL player.

At the end of the day I'd have Magner in than Bail. Maybe the team selectors think that Magner has reached his glass ceiling and Bail/anyone else they have selected over him has a higher one and needs game experience.

I dunno... but how the hell Rohan Bail still get games amazes me.

Clearly he must be one of our most-elite trainers.

[GawnWithTheWind 604]

What are his opponent doing though?

He may be getting 20 touches (probably 10 of them are turnovers) but how many touches are his opponents getting?

We all know Blease has more talent than most of our current mids, but Neeld won't play him until he has worked on his defensive game.

Any chance that could be the problem?

[pm24 451]

So it's Neelds fault for Magner not getting a regular game in our top regular 22, despite only being promoted to the senior list as an injury replacement 4 weeks ago, does Neeld get any credit for actually getting us to recruit him for the rookie list???

I thought it had already been said before that Magner is effectively a back up for the Jones or McKenzie roles and he's not as good as jones and not as good of a tagger as McKenzie. I do think he deserves more games, but Bail and Nicholson play different positions than Magner, so the question becomes, who's role does he take if he comes in, and could he perform it to the required standard?

[Je Roos Salem 661]

So it's Neelds fault for Magner not getting a regular game in our top regular 22, despite only being promoted to the senior list as an injury replacement 4 weeks ago, does Neeld get any credit for actually getting us to recruit him for the rookie list???

I thought it had already been said before that Magner is effectively a back up for the Jones or McKenzie roles and he's not as good as jones and not as good of a tagger as McKenzie. I do think he deserves more games, but Bail and Nicholson play different positions than Magner, so the question becomes, who's role does he take if he comes in, and could he perform it to the required standard?

He takes the role of second best midfielder

[Wormburner 674]

Just won 2 movie tickets on SEN 'deadset' by saying that Deadset Neeld is off his head by not picking Magner when he's one of our toughest players and his been tearing it up in VFL.

[CHAMP 347]

Just won 2 movie tickets on SEN 'deadset' by saying that Deadset Neeld is off his head by not picking Magner when he's one of our toughest players and his been tearing it up in VFL.

I heard Finey say last night that Neeld at least owed Melbourne Supporters some sort of explanation as to why Magner was dropped and cannot get back into the AFL side despite further excelling at VFL level. He pointed to Evans who has had 3 quiet ones and M.Jones who was subbed-off last week after gleaning 7 possessions.

Hopefully someone shall ask the question and we'll get a reasoned response rather than some avoidant gibberish/ gobbledygook.

[DemonOX 8,791]

Another knee-jerk anti-Neeld post. Anything that seems wrong, it's his fault. Maybe it is. But as a number of subsequent posters have posted, there may be many sensible reasons as to why Magner was omitted. And add to that there may be things that we don't know - not that that would stop some people rushing to judgement.

Continually amazed by the depth of anti-Neeld sentiment. You'd think he took over the Hawks and suddenly they became a crap team, rather than he took over a crap team, cleaned it out and started again.

Yeah Neeld isn't part of the problem as we are KILLING it on the field. Don't see how the coach could possibly be part of the problem.

Continually amazed by the depth of pro-Neeld sentiment.

Bloody hell it's as clear as day he is PART of the problem.

[Go the Biff 3,418]

I dunno... but how the hell Rohan Bail still get games amazes me.

Goat photos I suspect. I also suspect Magner was holding the goat

[DemonOX 8,791]

Goat photos I suspect. I also suspect Magner was holding the goat

Funny shite GTB

[CHAMP 347]

Goat photos I suspect. I also suspect Magner was holding the goat

But if Jimmy was restraining the beast wouldn't his testimony also carry some weight from a selection point of view.

I'm assuming Neeld fits in here somewhere.

[Young Dee 1,303]

The thought has crossed my mind.

If they change the rules so you get 6 points for kicking out of bounds he could be an asset.

He would still struggle to make it into the 22....

Neeld is always talking about experience and getting games into our young players - maybe it has something to do with that (Magner has already peaked - not part of our future). Never the less we should still be fielding the best possible team and developing our yougth in the best possible team/culture.

Maybe Magner had a little niggle a couple weeks ago?

It is an odd one - maybe Magner is [censored] off with Neeld for not making him captain (probably be picked up by Brissy next year)

[Lordweaver 235]

Just won 2 movie tickets on SEN 'deadset' by saying that Deadset Neeld is off his head by not picking Magner when he's one of our toughest players and his been tearing it up in VFL.

congratulations

[Waltham33 475]

Selection at Melbourne - forget logic.

[Nasher 33,615]

I heard Finey say last night that Neeld at least owed Melbourne Supporters some sort of explanation as to why Magner was dropped and cannot get back into the AFL side despite further excelling at VFL level. He pointed to Evans who has had 3 quiet ones and M.Jones who was subbed-off last week after gleaning 7 possessions.

Hopefully someone shall ask the question and we'll get a reasoned response rather than some avoidant gibberish/ gobbledygook.

I disagree that the supporters have a right to a justification to every selection decision that happens. What if, hypothetically, the reason was "he's got ability, but just doesn't listen to a word his coaches or teammates say"? It would be unfair on the player for this to enter the public domain.

So in answer to the title of this topic, yes, there's a pretty good chance the coach knows something about Magner that we don't know. The reason may not be apparent to us, but that doesn't mean that there isn't one, or that it isn't a compelling one. I know that most people have zero trust or Neeld, but that doesn't mean that every decision he makes is poor or irrational.

[CHAMP 347]

I disagree that the supporters have a right to a justification to every selection decision that happens. What if, hypothetically, the reason was "he's got ability, but just doesn't listen to a word his coaches or teammates say"? It would be unfair on the player for this to enter the public domain.

So in answer to the title of this topic, yes, there's a pretty good chance the coach knows something about Magner that we don't know. The reason may not be apparent to us, but that doesn't mean that there isn't one, or that it isn't a compelling one. I know that most people have zero trust or Neeld, but that doesn't mean that every decision he makes is poor or irrational.

I agree. The instance of which we speak however does beg a level of clarification because it, at least outwardly, appears to be quite aberrant and without logic.

It should not be the lot of the humble supporter to be happy with bemusement.