Reality Check on Neeld & Schwab's future

[Yeats8 21]

For all the supporters wanting Neeld & Schwab sacked a bit of a reality check:

Mark Neeld $400k per year - 2 year contract remaining

Cameron Schwab $300k per year- 3 year contract remaining

$800k Neeld

$900k Schwab

$500k Tanking Fine

$200k Connoly's Wage

$2,400k

We as a club cant afford this, us supporters wont keep contributing and the AFL wont keep propping us up.

Does anyone think Schwab will walk without a handout?

Edited April 6, 2013 by Yeats8

[rjay 24,991]

For all the supporters wanting Neeld & Schwab sacked a bit of a reality check:

Mark Neeld $400k per year - 2 year contract remaining

Cameron Schwab $300k per year- 3 year contract remaining

$800k Neeld

$900k Schwab

$500k Tanking Fine

$200k

It's going to cost us a damned site more if Schwab for a start doesn't go. This is why the AFL need to be involved in decisions made, put the right person in and get a payment scheme for the fine $2 a week for the next 250k weeks should do it.

Add an advance from the AFL and I'm sure there are many supporters who will pay to see the back of him.

Neeld, well if he went this year (I would give him some time, without this admin) we would have a caretaker that is already on the payroll. We would then need to stump up for next year.

It will cost a lot more if we don't do anything.

[Chook 15,013]

Numbers don't lie, and those numbers tell you nothing's changing any time soon.

[Yourenextdipper 19]

This is why the AFL need to step in and take control of the club. They can cover the costs of sacking incompetent staff and put the club in the right direction, otherwise it's all over.

[Jaded No More 68,966]

We also can't afford to carry on like this.

I'd rather be in debt and be winning than be debt free and win free.

[Hellish Inferno 992]

Out clause on the contract? We can only hope!

[Range Rover 1,935]

The AFL will step in. Nothing surer.

Schwab has attended his final game as an AFL club official.

And what a memorable one it was.

[Chook 15,013]

We also can't afford to carry on like this.

I'd rather be in debt and be winning than be debt free and win free.

The problem is that getting rid of all these guys doesn't guarantee anything, and it might just make things even worse. And don't tell me they couldn't get worse, because I'm sure we've all thought that about a dozen times over the past six years.

[Benson 254]

The AFL will step in. Nothing surer.

Schwab has attended his final game as an AFL club official.

And what a memorable one it was.

One can only hope.

[ThreeOneSix 954]

The board has too much control over this club.

All decisions get made in the boards favour.

The writing was on the wall with Scully... Brock...

Then Dean Bailey woke up to himself and gave evidence against our club - because our board and people have no integrity.

What do they stand for?

This time, the board should go - and coach stay, but that won't happen.

And to be honest, Neeld hasn't exactly helped himself by bringing in the blokes he has.

[Jaded No More 68,966]

The problem is that getting rid of all these guys doesn't guarantee anything, and it might just make things even worse. And don't tell me they couldn't get worse, because I'm sure we've all thought that about a dozen times over the past six years.

Doing nothing is worse than doing something.

I'm a cautious person and I'm never one for rash decisions, but tonight was worse for me than 186. On our home ground, against Essendon with all due respect.

We can't afford to continue on this road. We just can't. If we don't keep trying to fix this club, then all that's left to do is sit and wait for it to die and I refuse to see that happen. If we go down, let's at least go down fighting.

[H_T 3,049]

The AFL will step in. Nothing surer.

Schwab has attended his final game as an AFL club official.

Link?

[P-man 13,366]

The AFL will step in. Nothing surer.

Schwab has attended his final game as an AFL club official.

And what a memorable one it was.

I wish I shared your confidence on that Rangey. I think we might be stuck with him yet.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Link?

A prediction HT. His position is untenable as of tonight.

[Chook 15,013]

Doing nothing is worse than doing something.

I'm a cautious person and I'm never one for rash decisions, but tonight was worse for me than 186. On our home ground, against Essendon with all due respect.

We can't afford to continue on this road. We just can't. If we don't keep trying to fix this club, then all that's left to do is sit and wait for it to die and I refuse to see that happen. If we go down, let's at least go down fighting.

So by this logic, sacking Bailey was a good decision despite where it's led us. Did we just mess up with who we appointed? If so, then who's to say we won't manage to find someone worse.

The reality is that succesful clubs should statistically win a premiership about every 15 years - yet no coach is ever given this long. How can anyone expect to effect real change if they're living in constant fear of being sacked without the time to put their plan into place?

[michael collins 49]

Mark Neeld is being held responsible for everything by most people, although here its suggested Cameron Schwab and Chris Connolly share the blame. There are playing problems and coaching problems. They need to be fixed, not foisted onto the next person to hold the position.

Yeats8 is probably right about the figures - even with "out" clauses there would be very large payouts, which the MFC can't afford. And the MFC if it does nothing else, should honour its contracts.

Look at the whole coaching staff. Look at the football department staff. Get someone in to fix the culture. It'll need to be a volunteer, but it needs to be someone who can build a winning culture, and show the Melb coaching staff how to build a rapport with the players. Does Craig Bellamy get days off?

[rjay 24,991]

So by this logic, sacking Bailey was a good decision despite where it's led us. Did we just mess up with who we appointed? If so, then who's to say we won't manage to find someone worse.

The reality is that succesful clubs should statistically win a premiership about every 15 years - yet no coach is ever given this long. How can anyone expect to effect real change if they're living in constant fear of being sacked without the time to put their plan into place?

They only did half the job, we would be in a much better position if Schwab had of cleared out his desk as well.

[Real Demon 232]

The board have a lot to answer for with regards to Schwab.

Clearly a key figure in 186, oversaw a football department charged with tanking.

Those two issues alone should have seen him lose his job.

Instead he gets a 3 year contract................give me a break!!!!

How can members trust a board and executive with zero accountability for results or transparency relating to the clubs operation?

That Connolly and Bailey were the fall guys for tanking is such a joke.

186 happened on the back of Schwab meddling in the football department, yet he had no knowledge of tanking...........yep, we're all fools.

He has to go!

[Adam The God 30,286]

We also can't afford to carry on like this.

I'd rather be in debt and be winning than be debt free and win free.

Talk about irony. To remain alive we need to go into debt in order to sack the board that helped erase the debt in the first place.

[Jaded No More 68,966]

So by this logic, sacking Bailey was a good decision despite where it's led us. Did we just mess up with who we appointed? If so, then who's to say we won't manage to find someone worse.

The reality is that succesful clubs should statistically win a premiership about every 15 years - yet no coach is ever given this long. How can anyone expect to effect real change if they're living in constant fear of being sacked without the time to put their plan into place?

As always, we have good intentions but we go about them the wrong way.

Bailey needed to go, but they should have given him the rest of the year, not ambush him like a dog, when he was following board instructions to tank.

I don't think we need to sack Neeld in round 2, but the responsible thing would be to start scouting for quality, experienced coaches now, to look for a replacement CEO. Not to throw our the bath water, the baby and then fill up the bath with dirty water again and throw another baby in there.

If someone at this club would be so brave as to learn from our many previous mistakes, maybe this time we won't epically [censored] ourselves again. Maybe, just maybe, we can fix this club.

[Adam The God 30,286]

Doing nothing is worse than doing something.

I'm a cautious person and I'm never one for rash decisions, but tonight was worse for me than 186. On our home ground, against Essendon with all due respect.

We can't afford to continue on this road. We just can't. If we don't keep trying to fix this club, then all that's left to do is sit and wait for it to die and I refuse to see that happen. If we go down, let's at least go down fighting.

Well said, Jaded.

I was glad when no one challenged the board upon last renewal. I felt at the time that the board and CEO were doing respectable jobs. Financial security for the club was more important, particularly as we knew there would be some thrashings on the footy field to come. However, tonight made me realise that this decision was a safe decision. We're now, I believe, on the verge of a downhill spiral that will see us fold, unless we do something drastic. It's time for risk, because ultimately, if we don't fight now and take risks, we'll soon die anyway. I'm about to echo my sentiments from another thread, but we must be bold and employ non-MFC people, "footy" people to run the club. Not merely successful business people. Successful football people. We must be strategic, but bold.

[DeeSpencer 25,723]

If the AFL are true to their word about wanting 18 teams and Melbourne as part of that then they should invest in Schwab out and cook in. They'd save millions long term.

[Chook 15,013]

I don't think we need to throw our the bath water, the baby and then fill up the bath with dirty water again and throw another baby in there.

Ha! Brilliant.