Jump to content

Melbourne to field stand alone VFL team?


ChaserJ

Recommended Posts

agree. The Casey area could be as big as GW$ in time. We must stay out there alone. It is ours to develop

Noww your talking WYL, future with Hope, it's there for the taking. Our future is at Casey or our future group of hardcore supporters, time to get on the front foot Dees, we've laid the foundations out there time to cement ourselves there.

All Home games at the G, NAB games at Casey, family days and school clinics.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Are you prepared to double the size of your membership fee?
Ok but I am not sure that anywhere near the whole of the other 35 000 members would be.

The point I was making is that it will be an expensive option which I think you understand.

We probably don't have many options.

The cost of running a standlone team has been reported as costing up to $500K*. Based on 2012 membership figures (which were down on 2011), this equates to ~$14 per member.

To put that in perspective, if we applied this as a flat 'tax' on 2013 members it would be a ~6% increase for Red & Blue Adult 11 (General Admission, home game only) members.

Using a proportional method, in which each member is levied a set percentage of their membership, memberships would increase by only a few percent across the board.

Thus, a fairer question is 'are you prepared to increase the size of your membership fee by less than 5% to fund a standalone team'?

To that I answer, resoundingly, yes.

*In case you're concerned about cost blowouts, if the figure was $600K it would be ~$17 per member, which equates to a little under an 8% increase for Red & Blue Adult 11 members if applied as a 'flat tax'.

  • Like 12
Link to comment
Share on other sites

actually the cost isnt as much as that even.

we're already paying X amount to them ( Scorps ) . The differential amount to pursue our 'version" of a Casey Demons might not be an outrageous impost.

I cant see the Scorps being allowed to continue ( by law, ) they must have been skating on thin edge legally as far as trading went. They Need bailing out. Probaly more logical to kill off the 'broke(n)" entity and rebirth a new one in teh form of a Melbourne controlled Casey Demons.

Fresh start, fresh books. Better manangement etc .

Edited by belzebub59
Link to comment
Share on other sites

actually the cost isnt as much as that even.

we're already paying X amount to them ( Scorps ) . The differential amount to pursue our 'version" of a Casey Demons might not be an outrageous impost.

I cant see the Scorps being allowed to continue ( by law, ) they must have been skating on thin edge legally as far as trading went. They Need bailing out. Probaly more logical to kill off the 'broke(n)" entity and rebirth a new one in teh form of a Melbourne controlled Casey Demons.

Fresh start, fresh books. Better manangement etc .

bb there are probably a couple of problems in this.

- The Scorps have as I understand it a long term lease on the Ground, they will use this as a major bargaining chip.

- They will probably not go down without a fight, lengthening the time it takes to get a resolution.

Better management by the MFC! I will think about that one for a little while

Edited by old dee
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


How about just MFC players available for Casey in the finals first...

Yes I agree and if it's a stand alone team dont see it being an issue

Edit: and Yes to Rogue

Edited by Pennant St Dee
Link to comment
Share on other sites

bb there are probably a couple of problems in this.

- The Scorps have as I understand it a long term lease on the Ground, they will use this as a major bargaining chip.

- They will probably not go down without a fight, lengthening the time it takes to get a resolution.

Better management by the MFC! I will think about that one for a little while

The Scorps if wound up have nothing..No lease...nada. Some bargaining chip !! The Council then has a problem of an expensive assett and no leasee.

The Scorps are bargaining from what position ?? being well and truly broke. We CAN go alone. We dont actually need them. We can however gobble them up, so to speak.

Whilst taking all positions and sensitivities into consideration we really can do what teh F we like here and either all other parties say yes sir how high sir or we walk.We have options. They have...ummmm...let me count.......

We need to learn the art of real business, not pretending we do it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

We dont need to do anything about the Scoprs debt, not if we are a little bit business ruthless. Its not OUR debt. They ARENT us.. Any decent accountant would tell you to fold it unless theres a Tax benefit in absorbig them and I cant think of one off hand. i.e I cant think of what the assett(s) is/are we would gain cheaply by doing so.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Far as i am concerned any Football club who has not paid its players since early May is pretty much up shite creek. Any lease they have signed should be made insolvent.

Nice facility Demons..Lick a paint...

The real world is seldom quite that simple wyl

From my limited knowledge of leases.

If the payments on the lease have been made then the Council can do nothing about the lease until it is unpaid / broken.

And even then there will be a time after that before the lease is deemed to be vacant

And a new lease arranged with a new party.

This may be the only real asset the Scorps have at present.

But we are all guessing so as always patience ( I often have little ) is a virtue.

All will be revealed soon

Edited by old dee
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The real world is seldom quite that simple wyl

From my limited knowledge of leases.

If the payments on the lease have been made then the Council can do nothing about the lease until it is unpaid / broken.

And even then there will be a time after that before the lease is deemed to be vacant

And a new lease arranged with a new party.

This may be the only real asset the Scorps have at present.

But we are all guessing so as always patience ( I often have little ) is a virtue.

All will be revealed soon

sounds more like a liability than an asset to me od

if you are bankrupt you can't pay the lease (on-going) and it is therefore a liability

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Better? At least I know I haven't cursed any Melbourne players this time.

I actually made the Morton2Watts nickname a few months before Watts was even drafted... ah for the days when we had hope.

Thank god, we can change our usernames, lol

Link to comment
Share on other sites

sounds more like a liability than an asset to me od

if you are bankrupt you can't pay the lease (on-going) and it is therefore a liability

You are probably correct dc

Lets assume they are not behind in payments ( yes I know a big assumption )

Unless they walk from the lease no one can take it over until it is broken.

I guess what I am suggesting is this may be the only bargaining chip they have to play.

They may say we want a deal to still exist or you can wait till 2014/ beyond to play on the Casey ground.

All theory and who knows at this point.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You are probably correct dc

Lets assume they are not behind in payments ( yes I know a big assumption )

Unless they walk from the lease no one can take it over until it is broken.

I guess what I am suggesting is this may be the only bargaining chip they have to play.

They may say we want a deal to still exist or you can wait till 2014/ beyond to play on the Casey ground.

All theory and who knows at this point.

At best they could get a refund on the unused portion of any prepaid lease if someone took over the lease

That would just help to pay off some debts not sustain a recovery

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


You are probably correct dc

Lets assume they are not behind in payments ( yes I know a big assumption )

Unless they walk from the lease no one can take it over until it is broken.

I guess what I am suggesting is this may be the only bargaining chip they have to play.

They may say we want a deal to still exist or you can wait till 2014/ beyond to play on the Casey ground.

All theory and who knows at this point.

OD technically you are right, but it is also the responsibility of the Scorps to service that lease. If they have no cash flow then this cannot happen.

The lease then becomes an assett of the whole property.

We also have a long teem contract with the council. At least 30 years or was it 50? Either way we should stay there.

Edited by why you little
Link to comment
Share on other sites

any which way..the directors of the Scorps are in very deep doo doo !!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

OS technically you are right, but it is also the responsibility of the Scorps to service that lease. If they have no cash flow then this cannot happen.

The lease then becomes an assett of the whole property.

We also have a long teem contract with the council. At least 30 years or was it 50? Either way we should stay there.

Not suggesting for one minute we should pull out wyl.

Casey is the future of the MFC, without it we will wither on the vine.

All I am suggesting is the lease may be something the Scorps can use in trying to negotiate a future.

At this point it looks to me like a MFC takeover is the best way forward

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Not suggesting for one minute we should pull out wyl.

Casey is the future of the MFC, without it we will wither on the vine.

All I am suggesting is the lease may be something the Scorps can use in trying to negotiate a future.

At this point it looks to me like a MFC takeover is the best way forward

i agree, it just looks to me like the scorps have not got a leg to stand on IF they have not paid the players since early May.

It could be a garage sale then run.

I hope office staff and directors have not being paying themselves at the expense of those who put on the show.

Good Facility...The MFC must utilize.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    Welcome to Demonland: Luker Kentfield

    With the Melbourne Football Club's first pick in the 2024 AFL Mid-Season Draft and pick number 11 overall the Demon's selected Western Australian key forward Luker Kentfield from Subiaco.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 79

    TRAINING: Tuesday 28th May 2024

    Veteran Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin returned to the training track to bring you the following observations from Gosch's Paddock this morning. Beautiful morning for training. The dew has dried, out from AAMI, quiet chatting. Maysie does his heart symbol. 7 in rehab, Turner, Hore, Sestan, BBB, Petty, Spargo and Schache. All in runners. Melky weighted and change of angles work. Salem has his individual program. White cap (no contact), Howes, Woewodin and Sparrow

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    GALLANT by KC from Casey

    The world “gallant” is not one that is readily acceptable to losing teams in our game of football so when it was used in the context of the Casey Demons’ loss to Sandringham in yesterday’s match at Casey Fields, it left a bitter taste in the mouth.  The Demons went into the game against the St Kilda affiliated Zebras with the advantage of playing on their home turf (not that this has been a major asset in 2024) and with very little else going in their favour. The Saints have close to a full

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    MEANWHILE by Whispering Jack

    … meanwhile, at about the same time that Narrm was putting its feet on the accelerator to obliterate the long-suffering Euro-Yroke combination, I heard someone mention in passing that Kuwarna was leading Waalitj Marawar by a whopping 46 to 1 halfway through the second quarter of their game over in Adelaide. “What is football coming to?” I asked myself.  In front of my eyes, the Demons were smashing it through the midfield, forcing turnovers and getting the footy to their forwards who w

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    PREGAME: Rd 12 vs Fremantle

    The Demons head back on the road for the fourth time this season as the travel to Alice Springs to take on the Fremantle Dockers at Treager Park on Sunday afternoon. Who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 152

    PODCAST: Rd 11 vs St. Kilda

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 27th May @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons victory at the MCG over the Saints in the Round 11. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat LIVE

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 29

    VOTES: Rd 11 vs St. Kilda

    Captain Max Gawn has a considerable lead over reigning champion Christian Petracca in the Demonland Player of the Year Award. Steven May, Alex Neal-Bullen & Jake Lever make up the Top 5. Your votes for the win against the Saints. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 54

    POSTGAME: Rd 11 vs St. Kilda

    After a very wasteful first half of footy the Demons ended up cruising to a clinical victory over the Saints by 38 points at the MCG and ultimately reclaimed a coveted spot in the Top 4.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 397

    GAMEDAY: Rd 11 vs St. Kilda

    It's Game Day and after 2 losses on the trot the Dees must win against the Saints today at the MCG to keep in touch with the Top 4. A loss today will see them drop out of the Top 8 for the first time since 2020.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 503
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...