Getting Smashed on Trade Radio

[The Chazz 4,077]

I give us a B+. Key points for me;

* Moloney and Rivers gone. They were leaders when we needed a strong culture developed. They had the cnahce to step up, they didn't, and in actual fact, they allowed things like 186 to happen. The fact that we got a pick for the 2 of them was a bonu is my view. I don't care about losing experience, becuase it's their sort of experience this club can do without.

* We got a top 10 player for pick 26 (or whatever we have to pay for JV).

* Without knowing the guys personally, and going from what is reported, the recruiting of Byrnes, Rodan and Dawes are all professional trainers, handy footballers in their own right, are very precise with their perparation and will play the role the coach wants them to play. They won't create the culture - I think it's vital that Grimes, Trengove, Jones and Watts do that, but they will support it immediately, and help build it. The 2 players in point 1 above wouldn't do that.

* We still have Pick 4.

* Gysberts is gone. I wasn't a fan, so I'm satisfied with this decision.

* Jury is obviously out on Hogan and Barry. If Hogan is a star, this year's trade period increases to an A, if he isn't, then we will drop to a C.

[reynolds46 1,251]

Terry Wallace has been reasonably fair in his assessment and really who would care what Damien Barrett thinks he is a poor mans excuse for a journalist and certainly no more an expert than anycouch potato who watches the game

[The Reverend 1,736]

I was happy with our performance until today. Giving up Gysberts and especially Morton for SFA is disappointing. I am confident both will perform better under the right development framework. I am also concerned Neeld is not prepared to invest any time to develop kids properly. Mature players from good cultures is a sensible strategy but too many mid-age NQRs will not a flag team make.

This is not intended to be the team that will win a flag. This is laying the foundations upon which to build long term success. We need to have some vision and look past next year.

[beelzebub 23,380]

The only C's are those purporting to be experts on the Radio.

Blowhards at best irrelevant ignoramuses at worst.

They have Comprehensively failed to see the big picture or understand our goals.

Everything youd expect of them.

Self serving idiots !!!!

[demon-4-life 467]

I wish somebody would pay me money to randomly assign letters to things.

You can always become a teacher.

*apologies to actual teachers out there. Just a bit of tongue in cheek. I highly respect the effort and what our education system does.

[PaulRB 6,392]

Barrett uses the term "scatter gun approach" to describe anything more complex than Goddard to Dons. A simpleton who believes his own dribble.

[hardtack 10,555]

Care factor... a big zero

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,214]

We have lost Morton (9 games), Gysberts (1 game), Moloney (15 games), Green (13 games) and a backmen in Rivers who played most of the year forward. None of these are starting 18 players nor would they be next year.

We have gained two elite kids (Hogan for next year) and have pick 4 to attain another, a premiership CHF whose not even at his peak, another key swingman who is proven to impact at AFL level and two mature bodied soldiers with speed that cost us next to nothing. If we can get a mid 30s pick for Martin and attain Jacobs in the PSD we will be significantly ahead.

Oh wait but we could have done nothing and loaded up all on kids because that has worked so well so far.

If anyone thinks we haven't done well they know nothing about footy.

[reynolds46 1,251]

Barrett is a moron who claims that we chased Dawes without a plan just because he was available despite the fact the we were chasing him last trade period. Not sure why he thinks his opinion is worth anything.

[Jaded No More 68,966]

This trade period will make or break Neeld.

He is doing whatever he wants and that's his right. If it works, great. But if it doesn't, he becomes one more coach to totally [censored] us and our list.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

This is not intended to be the team that will win a flag. This is laying the foundations upon which to build long term success. We need to have some vision and look past next year.

Spot on the media always look short term and never see the big picture.....

I am happy with our moves so far - as like everyone I am disappointed about Gys but I am happy a bloke who wants to play at the MFC in Pederson is now on our list as we lack decent KPP's rather than mids.

The media love putting in the boot - no one is bagging Richmonds pick ups other club's NQRs

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

This trade period will make or break Neeld.

He is doing whatever he wants and that's his right. If it works, great. But if it doesn't, he becomes one more coach to totally [censored] us and our list.

So in your opinion this isn't what happened with Bailey?

After all 186 was awesome!! It's refreshing to see a coach come in to this club and have some balls to cut blokes who aren't up to his standard.... And Neeld has actually coached finals sides in the AFL and other comps

[The Chazz 4,077]

This trade period will make or break Neeld.

He is doing whatever he wants and that's his right. If it works, great. But if it doesn't, he becomes one more coach to totally [censored] us and our list.

I've said for a while now Jaded that Neeld will be a history making coach. He will either be our next premiership coach, or he will be the last coach of the Melbourne Football Club. I don't think there's anywhere in between.

I hope it's the former.

[daisycutter 29,622]

maybe we should rate trade radio instead........would F- be too generous......wgas

[Jonesbag 487]

You can always become a teacher.

*apologies to actual teachers out there. Just a bit of tongue in cheek. I highly respect the effort and what our education system does.

I hope I teach your kid

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

maybe we should rate trade radio instead........would F- be too generous......wgas

Haha top post.

[Guest Hulkamania]

Can't see this happening. Davey and possibly Martin are the only likely delisting next year. All other players coming out of contract i.e Watts, Sylvia, Grimes, Taggert, Gawn, Tynan, and Fitzpatrick are "must keeps" at this stage.

Very little room to move next year. Most players are coming out of contract in 2014.

No-one is a "must keep" at the MFC now unless they perform. I think the past 24 hours have confirmed that.

[Jaded No More 68,966]

So in your opinion this isn't what happened with Bailey??

After all 186 was awesome!! It's refreshing to see a coach come in to this club and have some balls to cut blokes who aren't up to his standard.... And Neeld has actually coached finals sides in the AFL and other comps

Ummm I said he becomes ONE MORE coach to [censored] us. Bailey did too.

For me, it's not about who we lost, because except for Rivers (who we wanted to keep), the rest are average players at best.

It's what we got in return which I question.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Who cares?

If anything those ratings reflect far more heavily on our wasted early picks in the past and failures to develop than this trade period.

Speculators, contemplating each others navals.

Just belly button fluff.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

I give us a B+. Key points for me;

* Moloney and Rivers gone. They were leaders when we needed a strong culture developed. They had the cnahce to step up, they didn't, and in actual fact, they allowed things like 186 to happen. The fact that we got a pick for the 2 of them was a bonu is my view. I don't care about losing experience, becuase it's their sort of experience this club can do without.

* We got a top 10 player for pick 26 (or whatever we have to pay for JV).

* Without knowing the guys personally, and going from what is reported, the recruiting of Byrnes, Rodan and Dawes are all professional trainers, handy footballers in their own right, are very precise with their perparation and will play the role the coach wants them to play. They won't create the culture - I think it's vital that Grimes, Trengove, Jones and Watts do that, but they will support it immediately, and help build it. The 2 players in point 1 above wouldn't do that.

* We still have Pick 4.

* Gysberts is gone. I wasn't a fan, so I'm satisfied with this decision.

* Jury is obviously out on Hogan and Barry. If Hogan is a star, this year's trade period increases to an A, if he isn't, then we will drop to a C.

I think this is pretty right.

IMO we hit a few nails that needed to be hit.

Key forwards - Hogan, Dawes and Pedro (who can play back too)

Small forward types - Byrnes, Rodan

Mids - Viney and pick 4 both top 5 types imo

Leadership - Dawes, Byrnes specifically even Rodan

Hardness - Viney, Hogan looks physical, Dawes is physical beast ect

If we came away with all this at the start of trade period i dont think there would be many complaints just how it happened after we got Viney as a bargain in a long deal.

Also Moloney is not a loss imo, Rivers is and Gysberts and Morton have potential, i like them both but we will see

[Deestroy All 14,266]

We've lost a couple of slow old guys, a couple of softies and one seemingly soft of the mind.

We've gained a couple of quick old guys, young KPF's = structure. + Viney and Barry.

I give it an A. I don't care what we gave up to get what we want, we got what we needed.

Scattergun? At least it's not Barry the sniper Prendagast picking off his own men.

The list needed to be shaken up, the culture needs changing, the club and Neeld have started it, I believe it'll work.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

Ummm I said he becomes ONE MORE coach to [censored] us. Bailey did too.

For me, it's not about who we lost, because except for Rivers (who we wanted to keep), the rest are average players at best.

It's what we got in return which I question.

We'll get in blokes who actually want to play winning footy at the MFC - don't get caught up with draft pick numbers.

[DemonWA 3,936]

The AFL 'journo's' need to chill out, go on holiday and come back for the NAB Cup where they can be relevant again. I hate this drawn out trade/draft period and these smug journos who preach to the masses about the way things should be done.

Having said that, Neeld isn't shying away from media attention. We haven't exactly slid under the radar with the sort of deals we've been doing!

[Frenzy Mckenzie 61]

I've been listening to TWR since the start of the trade period. In summary we have been slammed by Barret since the start, and after all the bs opinionated tripe he dished up this year, its clear he has an issue with the MFC - hack journo and a [censored] to boot.

We shouldn't waste our breath our Terry Wallace. Apart from blaming the tigers woes under him due to lack of resources, he also claimed partial credit for their resurgent midfield today. Yesterday, after analysing West Coasts list he said the eagles don't have a ruck after Cox and NicNat, to which a caller pointed out Scott Lycett, he then rambled about how he's more of a forward. In short, the blokes opinion matters very little to me.

What I'm curious about is why, as a club trying to become competitive, we are continously beaten down by these irrelevant muppets.

As for all the people on here complaining about our draft period just think about the players regardless of draft picks-

IN

Rodan: Senior body, who fills a role for 1-2 years while the younger blokes develop. Win if he stays on the park.

Pedo: Similar age to Martin but offers much more. I assume him and sellar will compete for the same spot, thus creating depth.

Byrnes: Crying out for even a pass rate small forward this year, he's no star but will fill a gaping void for 1-2 years.

Dawes: Straightens our spine, huge win

Hogan: Looks the goods, fantastic prospect who has the rig to provide a contest from 2014.

Barry: Prospect, doubt he will play next year, thats why the acquisition of a guy like Rodan was important.

Viney: Gun attack on the footy, great attitude, mature body

Wines/Toumpas/O'Rourke: If wines or toumpas will inject quality from next year, O'Rourke has big upside but will not play much next year.

OUT

Morton: has shown next to nothing after 70 odd games which is ample time to develop on your shortcomings, has terrible disposal especially on the run that has hurt us numerous times, soft, ran away from lade which I will never forgive him for.

Gysberts: Inside midfielder who probably couldn't bench press 75% of his bodyweight and after many years has not improved his upper body strength at all which points to a terrible attitude, can't break into the 3rd worse team in the league.

Martin: Key word here is promise. Has promised for years but delivered one decent season. Poor decision making and should be influencing games more than he is at his age.

Cook (potential out): Drafted as a forward but without critical skills needed to play his role e.g. lacks pace off the mark, doesn't influence the contest nearly enough and has not come on like he should have in 2 years.

Moloney: Flat track bully. Jones does his job far better.

Rivers: The only one I'm dissapointed with, however, big questions over his knees. The inclusion of Pederson might soften the blow.

Hardwick cleaned out Richmonds list over a few years, the same is happening to us - I just don't see why people are complaining, mediocrity is not fun, nor is getting belted every week. The mature bodies like Rodan & Byrnes won't be around by the time we make finals, but they will mean we are more competitive in the interim while our young list develops.

[Brayshaws' Helmet 143]

I've been listening to TWR since the start of the trade period. In summary we have been slammed by Barret since the start, and after all the bs opinionated tripe he dished up this year, its clear he has an issue with the MFC - hack journo and a [censored] to boot.

We shouldn't waste our breath our Terry Wallace. Apart from blaming the tigers woes under him due to lack of resources, he also claimed partial credit for their resurgent midfield today. Yesterday, after analysing West Coasts list he said the eagles don't have a ruck after Cox and NicNat, to which a caller pointed out Scott Lycett, he then rambled about how he's more of a forward. In short, the blokes opinion matters very little to me.

What I'm curious about is why, as a club trying to become competitive, we are continously beaten down by these irrelevant muppets.

As for all the people on here complaining about our draft period just think about the players regardless of draft picks-

IN

Rodan: Senior body, who fills a role for 1-2 years while the younger blokes develop. Win if he stays on the park.

Pedo: Similar age to Martin but offers much more. I assume him and sellar will compete for the same spot, thus creating depth.

Byrnes: Crying out for even a pass rate small forward this year, he's no star but will fill a gaping void for 1-2 years.

Dawes: Straightens our spine, huge win

Hogan: Looks the goods, fantastic prospect who has the rig to provide a contest from 2014.

Barry: Prospect, doubt he will play next year, thats why the acquisition of a guy like Rodan was important.

Viney: Gun attack on the footy, great attitude, mature body

Wines/Toumpas/O'Rourke: If wines or toumpas will inject quality from next year, O'Rourke has big upside but will not play much next year.

OUT

Morton: has shown next to nothing after 70 odd games which is ample time to develop on your shortcomings, has terrible disposal especially on the run that has hurt us numerous times, soft, ran away from lade which I will never forgive him for.

Gysberts: Inside midfielder who probably couldn't bench press 75% of his bodyweight and after many years has not improved his upper body strength at all which points to a terrible attitude, can't break into the 3rd worse team in the league.

Martin: Key word here is promise. Has promised for years but delivered one decent season. Poor decision making and should be influencing games more than he is at his age.

Cook (potential out): Drafted as a forward but without critical skills needed to play his role e.g. lacks pace off the mark, doesn't influence the contest nearly enough and has not come on like he should have in 2 years.

Moloney: Flat track bully. Jones does his job far better.

Rivers: The only one I'm dissapointed with, however, big questions over his knees. The inclusion of Pederson might soften the blow.

Hardwick cleaned out Richmonds list over a few years, the same is happening to us - I just don't see why people are complaining, mediocrity is not fun, nor is getting belted every week. The mature bodies like Rodan & Byrnes won't be around by the time we make finals, but they will mean we are more competitive in the interim while our young list develops.