FAREWELL STEFAN MARTIN - SEPTEMBER 2012

[Ouch! 2,262]

I also agree that Pedersen for 33 is not worth it, but thats more because I think we should be able to land Pedersen for less than that. 33 would be a pick that we can use for Ray from the Saints who I see being more valuable than Pedersen.

I totally agree with what RPFC and Bezelbub are saying when comparing Pedersen to Martin head to head, but I still feel we have more players that can cover the role Pedersen *could* play for the dees (Fitzy, Martin, Sellar even Jamar at a pinch if we played Spencer or Gawn) They might not do it as well as Pedersen, but I still think we need to secure Ray for what he can offer our midfield as a higher priority.

[beelzebub 23,364]

If i had to choose one deal over the other.. Id go for Ray. This may well end up being all we get.

However Pedersen would fit it well. Id like to get both.

Nth are reaching and want everyone to help them. Clever of comes off

Tic toc

2pm Fri looms

Tic toc

I expect a flurry of happenings later in day after the reality bus comes to town.

[Weedster 174]

Pick 40 isnt in the picture, pick 33 is. If we are lucky enought to be able to land 33 from Brisbane for Martin, there is no chance in hell id ruin that gift by swapping it for Pederson under any circumstance.

Agree entirely. Pedersons reputation here is way overs compared to his achievement. Get a grip guys - he played 2 games last year.. 2 GAMES ! in a middle of the road outfit. No way known is he worth 33. Tell em they're dreamin'

[beelzebub 23,364]

Im going to back Neeld and the FD. If they want a specific person to fill a particular role. Thats fine by me.

After all theyve been planning these raids and delistings all year.

They just might have a better clue than most of us. Happily put myself in the 'us'

Theyve done the research.

[Guest José Mourinho]

I'm with DavidNeitz9 on this, in a roundabout way.

I'd readily swap Martin for Pederson.

But if we had pick 33 instead of Martin, I'd rather keep it than trade it to North for Pederson.

Sure, I think Pedro would be handy, but not at that opportunity cost.

It's not like he'll put us over the edge to compete for a flag.

Do the deal with Brisbane for Martin, sign contracts, but hold off on lodging the paperwork until the Pederson deal is done.

Gysberts for Pederson I can live with, because although I'd like to persevere with Gys, it would indicate what opinion the footy dept has of him, and they're in a much better position to judge.

Psychoanalysis & medical testing, etc would play a big part in this decision, I believe.

[Guest José Mourinho]

Also worth remembering that although Pederson only played 2 AFL games this season, he was a fwd capable of stints in the ruck, behind ruckmen in Goldstein & McIntosh, and fwds in Petrie, Hansen & Tarrant.

Pederson is clearly surplus to North's needs, but its not necessarily indicative of his talent. Or worth.

[Brayshaw Self 847]

I would only trade Gysberts for Pederson if they threw one of their zippy forwards in as well.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

If we are smart/lucky enough to land pick 33 from Brisbane then there's no point in us passing the benefit of our good negotiations to North. It's not the issue of Martin for Pederson it's what we are able to get for Martin and what we're prepared to pay for Pederson.

I would be absolutely stoked if we got 33 for Martin because I think we could pick up a good prospect at that stage in the draft, if we get 48 then I'm not so fussed but I don't want to see the club pass on our god fortune to someone else.

[Wilson7 2,670]

Whatever we get for Martin is irrelevant.

Really ? So if Brisbane offered us a first rounder for martin you would happily gift that to North for Pederson ? In the end its Martin for Pederson, so who cares if we overpay...cant say i agree with that at all

Edited October 25, 2012 by DavidNeitz9

[dee-luded 2,959]

If i had to choose one deal over the other.. Id go for Ray. This may well end up being all we get.

However Pedersen would fit it well. Id like to get both.

Nth are reaching and want everyone to help them. Clever of comes off

Tic toc

2pm Fri looms

Tic toc

I expect a flurry of happenings later in day after the reality bus comes to town.

I suspect we have some good contacts who have the knowledge on Pederson, & think we can put him to work.

[Supermercado 2,797]

Let's ditch Pedersen and give them pick 100 for Majak Daw instead just to keep things interesting.

[Super Demon 14]

I suspect we have some good contacts who have the knowledge on Pederson, & think we can put him to work.

Pedersen has fallen out with the North playing group as well as Brad Scott with all wanting him out of the club.

It seems that most are aware of this

We need to hold firm and only offer pick 49.

He needs a new environment away from North in order to shine again

North with cave just before the deadline and the trade will go through .

Edited October 25, 2012 by Super Demon

[dee-luded 2,959]

Pedersen has fallen out with the North playing group as well as Brad Scott with all wanting him out of the club.

It seems that most are aware of this

We need to hold firm and only offer pick 49.

He needs a new environment away from North in order to be shine again

North with cave just before the deadline and the trade will go through .

I agree, Nth seem to think we're a bit naive, or have we grown up since?

[Longsufferingnomore 1,631]

I agree, Nth seem to think we're a bit naive, or have we grown up since?

Does anyone know what his problem is at North. Has he cracked it because he is not getting games or some other reason. We need team players not some ego maniac (not saying that he is)

[dee-luded 2,959]

Does anyone know what his problem is at North. Has he cracked it because he is not getting games or some other reason. We need team players not some ego maniac (not saying that he is)

Many players have ego problems & attitude problems, and maybe held out from getting games by some very good players.

It looks like he can play well from the footage viewed & we have people close to werribee & ex north.

We need, the MFC need an immediate heart transplant, & looks like no stops being pulled.

Players who'll have a Go, seems to be the short order of things.

#Edit: If only Balls Grinter could still play.

Edited October 25, 2012 by dee-luded

[tess 19]

Pedersen's AFL games this year were not great. He cant hold down a key post at AFL level. At VFL he played mainly ruck and ruck rover. This indicates the Roos dont rate him as you would think he would be played in a key role the same as he would at AFL level because at the 193cm he may struggle against Mumford and Cox all day.

[BangkokDemon 96]

Im going to back Neeld and the FD. If they want a specific person to fill a particular role. Thats fine by me.

After all theyve been planning these raids and delistings all year.

They just might have a better clue than most of us. Happily put myself in the 'us'

Theyve done the research.

And it's much better planned than in recent years. In fact, the thing which

pleases me most is that their IS a plan.

[Deesciple 10]

I highly doubt we will get Pick 33 for Martin, and trading him for Pick 53 isn't worth our while because it'll be like giving him away for nothing as I don't see us using that pick in the draft. He is probably worth smack bang in the middle of that at 43.. So, what do we do?

Throw in Pick 49 with Martin for their Pick 33. If they're not interested, they're not interested. We move on.

[Robbie57 2,020]

I highly doubt we will get Pick 33 for Martin, and trading him for Pick 53 isn't worth our while because it'll be like giving him away for nothing as I don't see us using that pick in the draft. He is probably worth smack bang in the middle of that at 43.. So, what do we do?

Throw in Pick 49 with Martin for their Pick 33. If they're not interested, they're not interested. We move on.

Hard to see the deal being done now they think they are in with a shot at Tippet. 53 too low and they think 33 too high.

[PaulRB 6,362]

Martin and late pick for 33?

[jnrmac 20,060]

Martin to Brisbane is still likely according to trade radio.,,...

[red and blue forever 1,028]

Apparently for picks 53 and 73

[Bossdog 2,002]

Martin to Bris for picks 68 and 77....Done deal....Opps 53 and 73....

Edited October 26, 2012 by Bossdog

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Apparently for picks 53 and 73

I heard that; why would we want pick 73 what's the point?

[Fat Tony 5,228]

Horrendous trade IMO