On the Couch - Brock talks about 'tanking'

[Pates 9,660]

Roos says that Melbourne is now an 'irrelevant' club.

Ah this old chestnut. I also like the "we stand for nothing". These two points that keep cropping up are the most pathetic nonsense that goes around.

Reporters and columnists can make this comment and base it on nothing because they don't have to. The mere fact that they're saying it apparently makes it credible.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Of course the AFL know it happened, they just have nothing to gain for making a huge issue out of it, but rather just deny it and quietly change the priority pick rules.

Sadly ironic that tanking, among a myriad of other reasons, is crippling our club today when we are meant to be reaping the rewards of it. Karma has come around and severely [censored] slapped us in the face.

Will you be saying this if pick 4 nets us the next Chris Judd and pick 12 the next Dangerfield?

This is karma that has not fully played out yet.

[monoccular 17,427]

Did Bailey, or maybe our CEO, kick that after siren 50 metre goal v Richmond that facilitated all this tank talk, or was it a guy in Yellow and Black named McMahon?

[Jaded No More 68,913]

So can we give back Scully and have Martin instead?

[Ned 156]

Yeah, we tanked and it was wrong and we're paying now. But if it's going to be discussed, talk Carlton too.

[old dee 23,788]

It gets better - Sheahan now says that the AFL must investigate the club.

Roos says that Melbourne is now an 'irrelevant' club.

Further, the MFC is still struggling due to the culture set up then....

Let's sink the boots in, boys.

JR I won't yell at you

But I do share the sentiment.

We are irrelevant in 2012 and have been since the first couple of games.

2013 will be similar, any one that thinks with our list we will win more than a hand full of games next year is ignoring reality.

It is time that a number of people involved with the management of MFC either stood down or were asked to leave.

Over the last 4 years they have bought us to this point.

We are the laughing stock of the league.

Drastic situations deserve drastic action.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

There is a difference between trying to lose and winning not being your top priority.

I remember hearing Mark Thompson say that Hawkins was getting games, even though he probably didn't deserve them.

[Guest lambtotheslaughter]

Who could forget the round 22 game known as the Kruzer cup. When Carlton let Travis Jognstone run free and he got 40 possies. That was tanking. It cant be investigated because everyone will just deny it. The AFL have already knocked this on the head.

I think this club and mark neeld has been through enough this season. Let it go.

Carlscum have yet to reap rewards from their tanking efforts

They as we are where we belong until a new culture takes over

An irrelevence

Just try to win every game and play every game like it may be your last

[pitmaster 3,549]

It gets better - Sheahan now says that the AFL must investigate the club.

Roos says that Melbourne is now an 'irrelevant' club.

Further, the MFC is still struggling due to the culture set up then....

Let's sink the boots in, boys.

Not sure I can argue against any of that. A rod we made for our own back.

And some on this site want to do it again to get Viney cheaply!

I want a club like Sydney thanks.

[old dee 23,788]

Ah this old chestnut. I also like the "we stand for nothing". These two points that keep cropping up are the most pathetic nonsense that goes around.

Reporters and columnists can make this comment and base it on nothing because they don't have to. The mere fact that they're saying it apparently makes it credible.

Old it may be but IMO it is not far from the truth.

The thing you cannot defend is the results.

We have been the worst side in the competition for 5 years now.

What say you to that?

[Lord Travis 10,729]

Nothing said was untrue. We tanked, as have lots of clubs over the years. Problem is we now have a team full of losers and didn't reap the rewards we hoped for. In the end we did nothing but harm the club further, and it may not be able to come back from this.

[old dee 23,788]

Not sure I can argue against any of that. A rod we made for our own back.

And some on this site want to do it again to get Viney cheaply!

I want a club like Sydney thanks.

Me too pitmaster or better still Hawthorn

[Dannyz 2,746]

The most interesting part of the whole conversation is where Brock reveals that the pressure to 'tank' came from above. Here we go.. Hold on etc.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

At least Neeld is finally trying to introduce a hard edged, competitive, disciplined, professional culture into this club.

[beelzebub 23,364]

It wasn't the tanking that stuffed us. It was what we did with the ill gotten goods , or rather it was who did what with said goods.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Nothing said was untrue. We tanked, as have lots of clubs over the years. Problem is we now have a team full of losers and didn't reap the rewards we hoped for. In the end we did nothing but harm the club further, and it may not be able to come back from this.

People need to acknowledge that we don't know if the tanking was worth it or not because we haven't yet seen the fruit of the Scully compo picks.

If we unearth a couple of gems people will be very quick to change their tune.

[pitmaster 3,549]

Me too pitmaster or better still Hawthorn

It's arguable Hawthorn tanked in the year they picked up Franklin/Roughead.

Sydney have played finals in 15 of the past 17 years (or something like that, maybe 14 0r 16 but they've never crashed)

[Mono 455]

Some strange agendas in play.

Indeed. What is McLean doing on the show? He is not in Carlton's best 22 (up until last week or so, maybe). Can only be to give him media time to visit the MFC history. When he left MFC, he was barely best 22.

This is a Foxtel witch hunt. Pure and simple; sadly, Brock has let himself be the means.

Did Bailey, or maybe our CEO, kick that after siren 50 metre goal v Richmond that facilitated all this tank talk, or was it a guy in Yellow and Black named McMahon?

You joke surely? When McMahon kicked the goal, there were a lot of relieved officials/people at the club. (Sic when you think about the tiges over the last 3 weeks!)

[Jordie_tackles 354]

[censored] could get ugly by the sounds of it......this would be right entering our draft of all drafts and we will get excluded from the first and second rounds i bet.....

[pitmaster 3,549]

At least Neeld is finally trying to introduce a hard edged, competitive, disciplined, professional culture into this club.

Agree emphatically

[Canplay 634]

One of the myriad of reasons Cameron Schwab should get the lemonade and sass....... this was his blue print - and he had a masssive influence on both tanking and the recruiting strategy of outside runners instead of the footballers (like geelong and collingwood) - also overseen appointment of last two lemmings (aka coaches).

[The heart beats true 18,123]

It wasn't the tanking that stuffed us. It was what we did with the ill gotten goods , or rather it was who did what with said goods.

Brock placed the blame very high up the chain. He laid blame on the same people who put the folks in place that we just got rid of last year for the new round of people that are struggling.

Makes you wonder when everyone will start looking at those at the top doesn't it?

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Will you be saying this if pick 4 nets us the next Chris Judd and pick 12 the next Dangerfield?

This is karma that has not fully played out yet.

Hope it does. But I have no confidence in the club to get it right, and even if you add a Judd and a Dangerfield to the list, it doesn't change the huge cultural issues at the club.

[Mono 455]

Bet Brock is NOT at carlton next year. Sad for him.

Edited July 30, 2012 by Mono

[Supermercado 2,797]

Makes you wonder when everyone will start looking at those at the top doesn't it?

Makes me wonder when everyone who hates the administration will have the balls to do something about it rather than just complaining endlessly on forums. If the board goes up uncontested and the AGM features one person asking a half-angry question again then I'm never taking any "sack the board/CEO/etc" posts seriously again.