$urprise, $urprise, $cully $enior Employed by GW$

[Yoda 33]

Think about the kicbacks and sip honing that must have taken place by the GW$ top brass with all that lucre at their disposal. My hunch is that the Fill Scully Affair is just the tip of the hamburger.

Think about the potential for kick backs and palm greasing between GW$ top brass and shady player managers.

It's a disgrace and if the AFL cares one iota about its integrity as an organization, there needs to be a full investigation.

[rpfc 28,537]

we chose badly because of his mental character. Maybe it was unforseen but the facts are what they are. We gave up a number one draft pick. We must be so much more vigilant in future drafts.

He was never going to be a long term prospect.

My view is he never wanted to play at the MFC. He did it because it was his way in. He used the club to get a contract. Maybe fhe club thought they could turn him around, but i believe it was never going to happen. It just shows that character is as important in making judgement as football ability.

Ok, I just had to respond to this...

You can say we made a mistake, because we did.

But you cannot truly believe it was a mistake that could have been avoided.

Scully was an elite proposition and 'the' standout from the draft. We were destined to take him for months.

He was always destined to be a long term prospect.

There is no way we could have foreseen this.

His character, and that of his family, are inherently flawed. But we know that because of what has transpired, and what has transpired was not forewarned.

We could not know that it would end the way it ended.

[H_T 3,049]

I keep reading how well we have done with two 1st round picks for our GWS recruit, but like WYL I don't buy it. We wouldn't swap our pick 2 JT to Port for 8&9 and here we are getting about 13 & 16 for number 1 pick in the country. Would Tigers swap Martin for picks 13 & 16, would Hawks swap Hodge for 13 & 16. The compensation is nothing like what was lost. The only thing I hope is that we have dodged a bullet if the injuries are as bad as I have heard. I wish people would stop saying we were fairly compensated because we weren't. We were just compensated according to AFL guidelines not fairly or adequately.

Maybe. That is why I'm big on the Mini Draft next year or trade for a young established star in return for two "valuable" compensation picks. It's what we do with them that matters. And that will ultimately determine our answer of what our compensation be worth to losing "you know who" to GWS. Loss of time - but not necessarily loss of quality atm. I buy it Redleg - even though I know what you are saying.

The club needs to be prudent.

[rpfc 28,537]

Or I had Bentley but they took it off me and gave me two Holdens.

Completely agree, and while those Holdens might be a couple of fine options I want us to use those Holdens to get back into the luxury car market by trading into the mini-draft or trading for a player before we even think about driving those Holdens.

[old55 23,623]

Or I had Bentley but they took it off me and gave me two Holdens.

You stole a Bentley but they took it off you and gave you two Holdens.

[rpfc 28,537]

You stole a Bentley but they took it off you and gave you two Holdens.

Yes, quite.

But when we stole that Bentley, the keys were thrown to us by the owner after the final cop siren went...

[Mono 455]

.....

However, judging by Mr. Griffin's Scully's ... er, ample frame, I would suggest the MFC blundered in failing to recognise the opportunity to instal Cale Morton as a boarder in the Scully household in an attempt to build up his physique.

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Doubt Morton's skinfolds would have been too flash.

Perhaps "Demir" Scully harbours a secret desire to play AFL alongside his son, he might as well he's taking up the spot of another player.

Caro has reported his salary to be 100k - that's at least 1 rookie they won't have access to each year for 5? years, unless they have front-loaded him too.

People were worried when Trengove and Tapscott both signed for an extra year early on but Scully didn't, their fears came true.

I agree, there was something about him that never made me fell like he played for Melbourne.

Agreed

Yeah, IMO he never put his heart into it, as if he resented having to pull on the Red 'n' Blue.

In the end i think we had to play the season knowing that we had to hold his value up by playing him when we didn't like it. Senior games equates to his value in picks compensated to us.

.......

The major/only factor in the compensation was the size of his contract.

GWS's salary cap must be massive.

$1M more than the other clubs in 2012, I think. Clearly having trouble spending it.

My view is he never wanted to play at the MFC. He did it because it was his way in. He used the club to get a contract. Maybe fhe club thought they could turn him around, but i believe it was never going to happen. It just shows that character is as important in making judgement as football ability.

Shades of Buckley going to Brisbane. There certainly is a bit of the same feel.

I must say, in the off-footy season, GWS is providing lots of entertainment.

Hardly surprising: Sheedy, Williams, Allan are all nutters. Wonder how Silvagni is feeling? (He's the one defending the fathers appointment in the press.)

Edited October 28, 2011 by Mono

[nutbean 8,838]

Shades of Buckley going to Brisbane. There certainly is a bit of the same feel.

How can you say that - nothing like same except both were young players that left their original clubs ? Buckley made it clear where he wanted to go before he was drafted by the bears and it was common knowledge that he had an out clause in his contract - he was upfront that he wanted to get to Collingwood.

Buckley was all about going to Collingwood - Scully is all about money. Shades of Buckley would have Scully at Richmond.

[rpfc 28,537]

How can you say that - nothing like same except both were young players that left their original clubs ? Buckley made it clear where he wanted to go before he was drafted by the bears and it was common knowledge that he had an out clause in his contract - he was upfront that he wanted to get to Collingwood.

Buckley was all about going to Collingwood - Scully is all about money. Shades of Buckley would have Scully at Richmond.

It wasn't that straightforward.

Without getting into ancient history here, Buckley was destined for North and Collingwood jumped on board and stole him. And Gubby Allan impersonated Buckley's agent to tell Geelong he wanted to go to Collingwood.

It was a mess, as this one is.

[nutbean 8,838]

It wasn't that straightforward.

Without getting into ancient history here, Buckley was destined for North and Collingwood jumped on board and stole him. And Gubby Allan impersonated Buckley's agent to tell Geelong he wanted to go to Collingwood.

It was a mess, as this one is.

I guess my point is that Buckley made it clear he didnt want to play for the Bears - hence the out clause in his contract and Bears thought they could turn him.

[Sir Why You Little 37,051]

How can you say that - nothing like same except both were young players that left their original clubs ? Buckley made it clear where he wanted to go before he was drafted by the bears and it was common knowledge that he had an out clause in his contract - he was upfront that he wanted to get to Collingwood.

Buckley was all about going to Collingwood - Scully is all about money. Shades of Buckley would have Scully at Richmond.

$cully & family have chased the cash. Where they ended up was not the major concern. But in 2009 they would have been well aware of the expansion franchaises and their larger salary caps. It was never going to be MFC money they settled on. We were a means to an end. And that is their right, nothing wrong with that if you can live with yourself being a mercenary. I am just disappointed we gave up a number one pick so that $cully Incorporated were able to achieve their goal. Yes we were compensated & we will move on. Jack Viney will help immensly where Tom once was. But the comp picks are not even close to a number one pick. So the choice we made in 2009 was crucial. The Tigers got it right we didn'tt. That said we got number 2 right so all is not lost.

[Mono 455]

I guess my point is that Buckley made it clear he didnt want to play for the Bears - hence the out clause in his contract and Bears thought they could turn him.

First I heard of the out-clause. Like Scully, Buckly was drafted with a 2 year contract. Like Scully, he had to wait 2 years before he could move to another club. Like Scully, he showed few signs of wanting to stay at his original club.

FWIW, I reckon Scully would have moved to a different club even if the GWS $s hadn't appeared.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Ok, I just had to respond to this...

You can say we made a mistake, because we did.

But you cannot truly believe it was a mistake that could have been avoided.

Scully was an elite proposition and 'the' standout from the draft. We were destined to take him for months.

He was always destined to be a long term prospect.

There is no way we could have foreseen this.

His character, and that of his family, are inherently flawed. But we know that because of what has transpired, and what has transpired was not forewarned.

We could not know that it would end the way it ended.

Absolutely

we chose badly because of his mental character.

Never let hindsight be mistaken for foresight.

[old55 23,623]

His character, and that of his family, are inherently flawed. But we know that because of what has transpired, and what has transpired was not forewarned.

give me a break!

[Sir Why You Little 37,051]

Absolutely

Never let hindsight be mistaken for foresight.

Was waiting for your response. As expected we disagree.

Carry on

[Return to Glory 8,443]

Hindsight is 20 20 vision but I was always underwhelmed by Scully's actual football. Yes, he did get a hell of a lot of possessions in a quarter once but he also lacked penetration in his kicking and missed substantial time to a CHRONIC injury. He may well turn into a very good footballer. A great one? He is not the total package and, for my mind, lacks an x factor.

May well be wrong but it would be terrific if, in two to three years we felt like the club had dodged a bullet by losing him and picking up Clarke.

[rpfc 28,537]

give me a break!

Which part do you roll your eyes at?

The family finagled a job from the team they agreed their son to go to.

That is ethically off-kilter.

And we had no idea at the time of drafting the kid that the father would attempt to squeeze some easy money for himself out his son's second, and first live, contract.

You could be rolling your eyes at the 'wanky' way I said it...

Edited October 28, 2011 by rpfc

[old55 23,623]

I do agree that Phat Phil Scully is apparently a bottom feeding opportunist with a snout for deal - must have the hide of an armadillo.

[Sir Why You Little 37,051]

I do agree that Phat Phil Scully is apparently a bottom feeding opportunist with a snout for deal - must have the hide of an armadillo.

Yes to stay quiet for so long would take some doing. Only certain people can do it. Which is the character trait i wish the club had been more aware of. You live and learn.

[Rogue 585]

FWIW, I reckon Scully would have moved to a different club even if the GWS $s hadn't appeared.

Richmond. Judd's Grandmother told me. (So did hangon).

[Still Waiting 94]

$cully karma will bite them big time soon. What was that old saying?, "cheats wont prosper".

Now that $cully seniors' wage is going into their cap, do they class this as a player and thus have to shed a promising younger player?

If not why not Vlad? Jeez the AFL powers are pretty messed up on this one.

I know, it's just another case of make the rules up on the run!

Is the knee of junior is as bad as the many rumours are banging on about? ........................... I mentioned this nearly 12 months ago.

Supposedly he will play minimal onball over his career and end up being a small fwd with limited mobility.

Karma, Karma, Karma.

[nutbean 8,838]

Yes to stay quiet for so long would take some doing. Only certain people can do it. Which is the character trait i wish the club had been more aware of. You live and learn.

This - i agree with.

[Yoda 33]

There was a way the Scullys could have done it all without having their name dragged through the swamp. Yes they must take ultimate responsibility, no-one held a gun to their head, but my word were they poorly advised at critical junctures by their manager, Peter Blucher.

Blucher completely botched the public relations aspect of the process. Real amateur hour stuff.

Beware, young AFL players, of that man.

[rpfc 28,537]

There was a way the Scullys could have done it all without having their name dragged through the swamp. Yes they must take ultimate responsibility, no-one held a gun to their head, but my word were they poorly advised at critical junctures by their manager, Peter Blucher.

Blucher completely botched the public relations aspect of the process. Real amateur hour stuff.

Beware, young AFL players, of that man.

The father attempted, and got, a job out of his sons contract negotiations.

That doesn't sound like a Lynch-Blucher problem, it sounds like a 'what can you do for me, as I send my son your way' problem.

And as you said during the height of this - representation is just an extension of the player. The agent does as the player/players family wishes.

[Sir Why You Little 37,051]

The father attempted, and got, a job out of his sons contract negotiations.

That doesn't sound like a Lynch-Blucher problem, it sounds like a 'what can you do for me, as I send my son your way' problem.

And as you said during the height of this - representation is just an extension of the player. The agent does as the player/players family wishes.

rpfc, i have great respect for you...but i am finding it hard to work out why you still continue to defend thi$ family to this day like they are some kind of Brady Bunch Clan...The True Colours of this Mercenary bunch was finally shown up in all it's glory this week...

They are not a nice bunch & are prepared to lie & cheat in order to get there hands on grotesque amounts of wealth for the least amount of work.

i wish i had been with Mr Redleg at the Airport yesterday....Young Tom would have said hello to me....it's common courtesy.......