The Waylen (aka Zyrus) Manson Thread

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

For God's sake...

Am I on Demonland or sitting in the Collingwood cheer squad at Victoria Park in the early 1990's?

[hardtack 10,126]

Am I on Demonland or sitting in the Collingwood cheer squad at Victoria Park in the early 1990's?

haha... the thought "lapsed pies supporter" crossed my mind earlier also.

[Hulett Packard III 166]

For God's sake, how many indigenous possible stars can we afford to support???!!! We already have Jetta, who is the slowest aborigine in Australia. Jurrrah who won't play defensively. Davey, who has completely dropped his head because he has now earnt a direct opponent, and Bennel who is petrified of physical contact.

So let's not just take on a skinny Northern WA kid who turned up to draft camp with nothing but a pair of thongs, and burst into tears and went home early b/c the questions were too hardl; let's also pick up Lovett. FFS, we don't have enough trouble carrying Sylvia's boganesque behaviour. Why not add to it. I'm sure Lovett will give us 2 - 3 amazing flashy games amongst his 19 - 20 bullish!t not-getting-near-the pill games.

Political correctness will be the death of this club. I love Aaron Davey, and I am hopeful about Liamh Jurrah, but we've already taken on to much risk and it's already bitten us in the arse.

I'll laze back now and wait for the moral minority to tell me how racist I am.

I don't think it's a minority that believes your comments are racist.

[Whispering_Jack 27,927]

I don't think it's a minority that believes your comments are racist.

Indeed.

By singling out four individual players at the club, pinpointing perceived deficiencies in the way they play and linking them by their race, Barry Dawson is guilty of racial sterotyping of the worst order. It's offensive and unacceptable anywhere.

In the normal course, I would discuss a sanction against Barry Dawson with the other mods which would involve at the very least, the removal of his posts (which are an embarrassment to me and to the site), but I thought it might be better to retain them as an example of the sheer ignorance that racist talk entails.

In the last century, we saw several instances of what happens when racist stereotyping is accepted and becomes rife within society.

In the extreme cases, it led to the deaths of millions of Jews, Gypsies and others who were not to the liking of a pathological murderer in Europe, a million and a half in Cambodia in the 70s, a similar number of Armenians at the hands of the Turks almost 100 years ago and close to a million in Rwanda in the 90s.

And we never seem to learn because fifty years after Hitler, the massacre took place on European soil of more than 8,000 Bosnian Muslims in and around the town of Srebrenica in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Today, there are parts of modern, liberal Europe where the old hatred of Jews thrives and there are countless parts of the globe where the killing and rape of innocents on the basis of racial and/or religious differences go on unabated.

Our own Indigenous people suffered similarly when the white man turned up here and the killing began and went on until they were utterly decimated. Our former prime minister issued an apology for what our forebears did but it seems that it passed over some people's heads and that bigotry is still alive and healthy even here.

But racism at the Barry Dawson level, whilst it might not kill or injure physically, is often deeply hurtful to individuals in a society - it's a cowardly form of bullying that we don't have to accept from anyone these days - certainly not here.

You can criticise any individual player as much as you like on this site as long as you do so constructively but if you associate that criticism with the person's race or religion, you cross the line into an area that is grossly offensive and unacceptable and won't be tolerated.

[Deeman 1,399]

Well said and thanks on behalf of the moral majority.

[rpfc 27,391]

Well said once again, WJ.

This internet was not great.

You are off the mark Barry Dawson and don't blame the 'PC crowd' for your condemnation.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Racists eventually want to be exposed. It's a cry for help.

[btdemon 475]

Our own Indigenous people suffered similarly when the white man turned up here and the killing began and went on until they were utterly decimated. Our former prime minister issued an apology for what our forebears did but it seems that it passed over some people's heads and that bigotry is still alive and healthy even here.

I agree with you totally WJ. I am very wary when people begin with the sentence, "I'm not racist, but......"

The long history of antipathy towards our own indigenous people is deeply ingrained in the culture. It will take a long re-education and and openness of heart for it to dissipate. Hopefully in time it will be no more than a trace-element in our national psyche. As Pauline Hanson and John Howard discovered to their electoral benefit, it's very easy to pick the scab, and having done that, there are many out there who can't resist the scratching. Anti-aboriginal sentiment is still out there and still has it's own momentum. It's not difficult to find anti-semitism either. Both of these racist sentiments have a long history.

For the record, I do sip cafe latte, chardonnay, and could be described by those wishing to give vent to their racist feelings, as a bleeding-heart lefty and a prisoner of political correctness. I do, on the other hand, also very much enjoy tea, beer, shiraz, pinot noir, water and have been known to make jokes which are not "PC".

It's easier for those who like to make racial generalisations to also generalise about those who might take issue with their statements, by labelling them with such pejorative terms as "politically correct". Maybe "political correctness" had very noble beginnings. The term has been hijacked by those who use it as an all-purpose tool to devalue a view they don't agree with.

PS. We all harbour racist feelings at times. It's the tribal nature of the human animal. It's whether we recognise them when they arise and how we deal with them that is the measure of our moral and social development. - End of Sermon

[old55 21,216]

What's to stop us getting both Lovett and Manson?

For very different reasons they'd be ongoing management nightmares - so we'll probably get neither.

[ChaserJ 3,956]

Couldn't have said it better WJ, BT.

[hardtack 10,126]

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PS. We all harbour racist feelings at times. It's the tribal nature of the human animal. It's whether we recognise them when they arise and how we deal with them that is the measure of our moral and social development. - End of Sermon

While I agree with what you and WJ have said, why try to intellectualise it... when all is said and done, what it all boils down to is that Baz is simply one of the very bogans he saw fit to condemn (and I repeat, possibly a lapsed pies supporter to boot).

[Whispering_Jack 27,927]

While I agree with what you and WJ have said, why try to intellectualise it... when all is said and done, what it all boils down to is that Baz is simply one of the very bogans he saw fit to condemn (and I repeat, possibly a lapsed pies supporter to boot).

Agreed. In this day and age it shouldn't be necesssary.

I hope Waylen has a good day tomorrow and that he gets drafted - any club will do although I hope he finds a friendly environment like the MFC.

[Chelly 738]

Agreed. In this day and age it shouldn't be necesssary.

I hope Waylen has a good day tomorrow and that he gets drafted - any club will do although I hope he finds a friendly environment like the MFC.

Good to see he's back playing and hasn't gone into hiding on the advice of one of the clubs that wants to pick him up.

Are there other players up there who are prospects to be drafted?

[Whispering_Jack 27,927]

Those who follow the news from the Northern Territory would be aware that the football community up there was disappointed that not one local player was picked up in last month's AFL national draft.

There aren't too many stand out prospects around for the PSD and rookie draft and their best chances are Gibson Turner,

medium forward Will Farrer and former Saint's rookie Ross Tungatalum who is a small forward. Anthony Tipungwuti (174cm) from the Tiwi Bombers has been with the Gippsland Power Under 18 team for the past two seasons is an outside chance to be picked up.

Waylen Manson, who is playing for NTFL club Waratah is likely to be taken as a rookie but he's really from WA and not a Territorian.

After a couple of weeks back home in the Kimberleys, Manson returns today along with fellow forward Brendan Fevola who also missed the last two weeks. Also in the side is former Richmond utility Marc Dragicevic.

The game today against the Tiwi Bombers is a big one as its 2nd v 3rd. The Bombers have been rocked by the suspension of four of their key players because of "poor travel behaviour". Big forward Ephrem Tipungwuti, Roy Kantilla, Samson Mungatopi and Nathan Pilakui have been banned for six weeks.

A couple of former Demons are also in the news. Austin Wonaeamirri is expected to resume his NTFL career with the Bombers next former rookie Joel Campbell is lining up with them today.

[einstein251 59]

Anthony Tipungwuti (174cm) from the Tiwi Bombers has been with the Gippsland Power Under 18 team for the past two seasons is an outside chance to be picked up.

I heard this kid would make the perfect replacement for Aussie.

[Nasher 33,047]

174cm is awfully small though - that's smaller than Aussie was, and smaller than Milne just as a point of reference. It's cliche a bit now, but players need to be exceptional to make it at that size.

[Whispering_Jack 27,927]

Well, it must have been quite a game as it ended up a draw - Waratahs 22.9.141 to Tiwi Bombers 22.9.141 with Brendan Fevola kicking 11 goals.

The Bombers led at every interval but Waratahs came back and snatched the lead at the 20 minute mark of the final quarter when Fev handed one off to a teammate for a goal. The Tiwis came back and then Manson, at the 24 minute mark, kicked his only goal for the game to put his team back in front. Again the Tiwis rallied and got to 13 points in front before Waratahs booted two goals. A free was paid to Stuart Cooper of the Tahs from 50 out and he kicked a point on the siren to tie the game.

Waratah 4.0.24 9.7.61 14.7.91 22.9.141

Tiwi Bombers 5.1.31  10.4.64 16.8.104  22.9.141

Goals

Waratah B. Fevola 11 B. Runnalls 3 S. Cooper S. Seddon 2 T. Parker A. McEwin G. Connelly W. Manson

Tiwi Bombers G. Cunningham 6 P.Heenan 5 R. Pupangamirri 3 R. Tangatalum 2 M. Dunn 2 J. Campbell B. Palipuaminni  M. Fairweather D. Munkara

Best 

Waratah B. Fevola M. Sandery J. Smart J. McCarthy T. Mosquito G. Connelly 

Tiwi Bombers M. Dunn B. Barden G. Cunningham C. Malone P. Heenan A. Tipungwuti

[Thanks to our Darwin correspondent for that info.]

[bing181 8,149]

and meanwhile ....

Goals - Wanderers: T Taylor 5

Still a kid, wonder if anyone would give him another chance ...

[Whispering_Jack 27,927]

174cm is awfully small though - that's smaller than Aussie was, and smaller than Milne just as a point of reference. It's cliche a bit now, but players need to be exceptional to make it at that size.

I saw him play in a TAC Cup Preliminary Final last year for Gippsland Power (the one in which Dyson Heppell blitzed and thrust his name in front of the draft selectors). He looked tiny but he was lightning fast and had good skills. Disposal good on both sides of the body, good evasion and a reasonable mark for his size. He was a bottom ager so I thought he might grow and it appears that he has done just that but ... ahem ... it's unfortunately been in the wrong direction -

Going by that photo, I reckon he would have added a conservative 10kg to his frame which suggests he might have been dining on turtle back home or on fast foods down here.

Either way, it wouldn't have done him much good because the knock on him was his lack of endurance. As one wag said of him, "he's a bit like Phil Scully - the spirit is willing but the flesh is abundant".

I think you're right Nasher. It's a pass for now but if he went down to Casey and knuckled down to the task of improving his tank, he might become a handy VFL footballer and who knows what might happen after that?

Of course, that's assuming he wants to go down that track.

[Rolling Stone 107]

and meanwhile ....

Goals - Wanderers: T Taylor 5

Still a kid, wonder if anyone would give him another chance ...

I'm all for giving a bloke a second chance if he shows that he's learned and won't repeat his past sins.

I just have a feeling that this kid might have used his second, third and fourth chances and in the current atmosphere around AFL clubs, he's in the same boat as Fevola, Lovett and possibly Tuck - untouchable.

[The Lobster Effect 838]

Well, it must have been quite a game as it ended up a draw - Waratahs 22.9.141 to Tiwi Bombers 22.9.141 with Brendan Fevola kicking 11 goals.

looks like not much emphasis on defence in that league!

[Hulett Packard III 166]

Manson, at the 24 minute mark, kicked his only goal for the game to put his team back in front.

Talk about the goalkicking machine falling from grace!

After kicking a swag of goals in every game, all of a sudden it's dried up completely. One this week. He missed two games and in his last game before that he didn't kick a goal at all. That's one goal in a month.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Talk about the goalkicking machine falling from grace!

After kicking a swag of goals in every game, all of a sudden it's dried up completely. One this week. He missed two games and in his last game before that he didn't kick a goal at all. That's one goal in a month.

One goal in a high-scoring, free flowing game in the top end is very poor.

I'm officially nicknaming Waylon Manson "The Riddler" ... question marks all over him!

[Whispering_Jack 27,927]

One goal in a high-scoring, free flowing game in the top end is very poor.

I'm officially nicknaming Waylon Manson "The Riddler" ... question marks all over him!

Perhaps this is what ails him Fears for welfare of overlooked Manson?

The last time I read an article with comments from this Claidius character, I was left with a poor impression of Manson and it didn't surprise me after that to see he wasn't drafted.

With friends like that ...

[rolly 149]

Even without all the question marks, percieved or real, is he the type of player we need?

Seems to me we have an over abundance of skinny, lead up marking players.

Shouldn't we instead be looking for some solid mid-fielders or some big bodies (90kg+) for up forward or down back?