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Met a friend for dinner tonight. His theory, supported by a friend of his close to the club, is that Scully wants out of Melbourne. Problem being he's not that keen on GWS. Theory is he might take a 2 or 3 year gig up there (cash bonanza) before making his way back to a bigger more professional club such as collingwood, carlton or maybe even richmond.

Make of it what you will as it ain't gospel.

"the big three" would have been essendon earlier in the year/ the "but he supported richmond" factor... will stay at MFC if this is the case and start moving forward... END OF STORY

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Membership & Sponsorship all equate to cash flow...

It does not equate to debt and maurie has put a plausible case that counters your claim of falling m/ship and cashflow.

I was not ever talking the last decade, i am talking about the time i have been supporting this club

No side stepping at all HT

Definitely side stepping. You were asked about the last decade where there would have been a relevance to your assertion of players using us as a step ladder.

Alves, Wells left because they were screwed over by MFC. They did not use MFC at all. Quite the opposite. And its a cheap shot by you to use them as an example. Keenan, Byrne or Spalding playing in flags by being in the right place at the right time are not evidence that players have used us as a step ladder. That was your point.

And even if your were right (and oncve more you are not), six players in 41 years is not evidence of players using us as a step ladder.

Aah yes Darren Jolly there's another 2 flags for him..

Jolly left to seek more opportunity as a first ruck in face of White dominating as AA ruck in 2004. Should we have shunted White then?? And Jolly does not validate your claim of using MFC especially when MFC traded him with a year to go on his contract. :wacko:

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MELBOURNE DESERVE FAIR COMPENSATION IF TOM SCULLY LEAVES

Spot on Mark Stevens.

If he goes, we should settle for nothing less than the no.1 pick at 2012 draft.

Meh, only part I agree with is that he is essentially worth exactly a number 1 pick, no reason to dispute this. But there is no way the AFL will change the formula for us specifically, otherwise every club will petition the AFL for 'special conditions'. The only question is, will we get band 1 or band 2 if he leaves? The result is so dependent on where we finish in the year we take the pics so it's hard to judge what he is worth. I disagree thoroughly though that band 1 is 'overs' for Scully, unless we are planning on finishing in the bottom 2 or 3.

If we finish last band 1 is pick 2 and pick 9, which is worth more than he is worth, band 2 would be pick 2, which is about right.

If we finish 8th though band 1 is pick ~9 and ~12, which is probably just not worth it; Sydney offered pick 6 and 14 for pick 3 in 2009 and were turned down, rightly so considering top 3 in 2009 look well above the rest (bar Fyfe) but it's probably roughly equivalent.

If we had band 2 and finished 8th we would get pick ~11 which is clearly not even close.

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I think that Tom Scully will remain a Demon for quite some time to come but by the same token, if he does decide to leave, then the rules do not have to be changed to give Melbourne adequate compensation if what Jake Niall says in yesterday's article is correct i.e. "... In addition, the expert panel of AFL talent identification manager Kevin Sheehan and game analysis manager Andrew McKay has the power to override the formula and change the outcome if there is what the AFL called 'an anomalous result'" -DEES COULD GET ABLETTLIKE COMPO FOR SCULLY

On this basis, Melbourne would have a reasonable argument on commercial terms that, given Scully's age, his performances to date, his potential, his remuneration, the club's investment made over two years and the substantial goodwill (in the business and personal sense), an anomalous result would occur if the compensation consisted of anything less than a priority first selection (at any draft including 2011) plus another first round selection. Anything less and, in my view, the compensation would be insufficient. This would be based on the fact that Scully was a priority selection in the first place and there has been substantial input into him over the two years since his selection. A commercial court or tribunal would, I believe, be receptive of such an argument. The AFL should do so as well.

Cameron Schwab is a smart operator. If the rule as expressed by Niall is correct then Schwab knows this and that he would be able to put a strong argument for compensation along the lines I set out above if it ever becomes necessary (and I hope it will not).

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MELBOURNE DESERVE FAIR COMPENSATION IF TOM SCULLY LEAVES

Spot on Mark Stevens.

If he goes, we should settle for nothing less than the no.1 pick at 2012 draft.

Just read this article this morning. I totally agree.

I like to think that in a different situation, would K.Sheedy give up pick 1 for Tom Scully. I am pretty sure that he, and any other coach would take that deal in a heartbeat. Therefore, our compansation should be at least the number 1 pick.

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what a joke

name one decent player we have lost in the last decade apart from Scott Thompson, for whom we acquired Moloney, current VC and probable BnF winner

Scott Thompson wanted out, he was traded for pick 13 which we used on Matthew Bate.

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Just read this article this morning. I totally agree.

I like to think that in a different situation, would K.Sheedy give up pick 1 for Tom Scully. I am pretty sure that he, and any other coach would take that deal in a heartbeat. Therefore, our compansation should be at least the number 1 pick.

Looks to me like a no-win situation.....

He goes and we get insufficient compensation and a player development delay (don't kid yourselves we'll get a good deal)

He stays and gets paid way way over the odds for a 19 yo with the attendant problems this causes

...and I still don't understand why his type of player is what GWS really need to spend big money on

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correct me if im wrong... but even if we do get a high draft pick for scully, doesnt that mean that it will be compensation in a year where we are committed to taking Jack Viney... so it doesn't really matter where we get the pick, we have to use our highest pick to get him anyway?

this is obviously in a situation where scully goes, which i still blindly am hoping he still doesn't

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It does not equate to debt and maurie has put a plausible case that counters your claim of falling m/ship and cashflow.

Definitely side stepping. You were asked about the last decade where there would have been a relevance to your assertion of players using us as a step ladder.

Alves, Wells left because they were screwed over by MFC. They did not use MFC at all. Quite the opposite. And its a cheap shot by you to use them as an example. Keenan, Byrne or Spalding playing in flags by being in the right place at the right time are not evidence that players have used us as a step ladder. That was your point.

And even if your were right (and oncve more you are not), six players in 41 years is not evidence of players using us as a step ladder.

Jolly left to seek more opportunity as a first ruck in face of White dominating as AA ruck in 2004. Should we have shunted White then?? And Jolly does not validate your claim of using MFC especially when MFC traded him with a year to go on his contract. :wacko:

Whatever floats your little boat Rhino....i do not agree ok

You really don't want the MFC to succeed do you, you prefer the club to meander along so you always have the crutch of excuse to land on.

Players have left this club to play in premiership sides...that is a fact. Because they knew they would not get one here.

i am not going to argue it...it happened, and could continue to happen very easily if this club does not step up soon.

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Never let facts get in the way of a good rant WYL

Spalding, Jolly, Byrne were traded by the club. Bad trading but trades none the less. They then were lucky enough to be traded to clubs that won the flag. Both Farmer and Thompson wanted to go home for family reasons. Which flags did they play in?? Alves and Wells were getting to the end of their career and we were never going to win a flag and the club agreed to sell them so they achieve the ultimate success

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Never let facts get in the way of a good rant WYL

Spalding, Jolly, Byrne were traded by the club. Bad trading but trades none the less. They then were lucky enough to be traded to clubs that won the flag. Both Farmer and Thompson wanted to go home for family reasons. Which flags did they play in?? Alves and Wells were getting to the end of their career and we were never going to win a flag and the club agreed to sell them so they achieve the ultimate success

they knew very well where they were going, the spalding trade was the worst...talk about roll over!!!

we had no balls back then and we are still looking for 'em

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Scott Thompson wanted out, he was traded for pick 13 which we used on Matthew Bate.

Incorrect - pick 12 used on Moloney

Bate was pick 13 which was just our given pick that year, we got Dunn 2 picks later as a result of the Jolly trade

WYL - who gives a rats about what happened in the 60s, that's like me going 'oh we have a history of consecutive flags therefore Bailey will achieve the same as Norm Smith' it makes no sense as it has zero relevance to 2011

and you cant count Jolly as we foolishly traded him for pick 15, that does not match your description of young guns walking out on us does it? Besides, Jolly was incredibly average prospect at the time of his trade, he was no Tom Scully

Thompson is the only one, and there was nought we could do about it, and got ourselves a decent replacement anyway

so your assertion was and is garbage

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Incorrect - pick 12 used on Moloney

Bate was pick 13 which was just our given pick that year, we got Dunn 2 picks later as a result of the Jolly trade

WYL - who gives a rats about what happened in the 60s, that's like me going 'oh we have a history of consecutive flags therefore Bailey will achieve the same as Norm Smith' it makes no sense as it has zero relevance to 2011

and you cant count Jolly as we foolishly traded him for pick 15, that does not match your description of young guns walking out on us does it? Besides, Jolly was incredibly average prospect at the time of his trade, he was no Tom Scully

Thompson is the only one, and there was nought we could do about it, and got ourselves a decent replacement anyway

so your assertion was and is garbage

The history of the club over the last 4-5 decades is very relevant C & B and it is far from Garbage, but you are free to believe what you want.

Sure there were foolish trades i am not disputing that, but at the end of the day Top Line players have left this club and walked into premiership situations.

How many top line players want to come to the MFC to taste Premiership champagne??

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Having always believed he would stay I now believe he is gone. Had a long conversation this morning with a friend with several Melbourne and non Melbourne contacts, All roads lead to GWS then back to Victoria as was suggested last night. He doesn't see himself as a Melbourne player, wants out, will take the money and will then return to play for a power club. We'll take the compensation, spread our player payments around the club, recruit Viney and another top draftee.

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Having always believed he would stay I now believe he is gone. Had a long conversation this morning with a friend with several Melbourne and non Melbourne contacts, All roads lead to GWS then back to Victoria as was suggested last night. He doesn't see himself as a Melbourne player, wants out, will take the money and will then return to play for a power club. We'll take the compensation, spread our player payments around the club, recruit Viney and another top draftee.

If what you say is true then he should be immediately stood down.

I'm feeling that it has now gotten to the point where the Club needs to make a statement to the fans about it.

Totally unacceptable that this is dominating/destabilizing our season.

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Having always believed he would stay I now believe he is gone. Had a long conversation this morning with a friend with several Melbourne and non Melbourne contacts, All roads lead to GWS then back to Victoria as was suggested last night. He doesn't see himself as a Melbourne player, wants out, will take the money and will then return to play for a power club. We'll take the compensation, spread our player payments around the club, recruit Viney and another top draftee.

I really hope that's untrue and Tom Scully doesn't become Tom Sully

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If what you say is true then he should be immediately stood down.

I'm feeling that it has now gotten to the point where the Club needs to make a statement to the fans about it.

Totally unacceptable that this is dominating/destabilizing our season.

This season has been an unexpected train wreck and the elephant under the mcg grass all along has been scully's non-commitment. our formline actually dropped off towards the end of last season, from the Hawthorn game on. we are a much better team than what we have shown and the scullduggery has undermined what all hoped would be a breakout year a la '87 and '98. we need to clear the decks and put a reasonable contract to scully. if he won't deal then play him in a less key role and bring other players up who have a long term commitment. otherwise we are just letting scully's management wipe us at the end of the year which would be yet another humiliating experience for the club. Be proactive.

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If what you say is true then he should be immediately stood down.

I'm feeling that it has now gotten to the point where the Club needs to make a statement to the fans about it.

Totally unacceptable that this is dominating/destabilizing our season.

I don't know if it's true I'm just relaying what 2 seperate people have told me in the last 24 hours. It could just be the latest rumour in the Scully saga. Make of it what you will. It certainly ain't gospel because we still have what Tom said. Sadly for me I've come to believe he's gone.

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The theory of a friend of a friend. That settles it then. No further evidence needed.

As I said make of it what you will. It's a reliable source as was this morning's. It strikes me as interesting that 2 different people both with contacts at melbourne told me the same story. Is it true? I think so but in the end only a handful of people know what is really going on.

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If what you say is true then he should be immediately stood down.

I'm feeling that it has now gotten to the point where the Club needs to make a statement to the fans about it.

Totally unacceptable that this is dominating/destabilizing our season.

It's not at that point and wont be until October. He is a contracted MFC player in 2011 and that's all there is to it - everything else will continute to be rumours and speculation because nothing can be made officially public until October. And besides, I would want him to play out the year despite whether or not he stays at the club.

As for compensation if he does go which I hope he doesn't. I'd be more than happy with Stephen Coniglio and maybe a 3rd round pick, would probably be overly generous on the AFL's part but in a sticky situation such as this one, they can afford to be.

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It's not at that point and wont be until October. He is a contracted MFC player in 2011 and that's all there is to it - everything else will continute to be rumours and speculation because nothing can be made officially public until October. And besides, I would want him to play out the year despite whether or not he stays at the club.

As for compensation if he does go which I hope he doesn't. I'd be more than happy with Stephen Coniglio and maybe a 3rd round pick, would probably be overly generous on the AFL's part but in a sticky situation such as this one, they can afford to be.

I don't know about that. Would it hurt Cam Schwab to come out and address the issue honestly and matter-of-factly? Something to effect that the club recognizes the unique nature of the situation and although we will be doing al we can to keep Tom and any other young gun, the issue of compensation is a real one and we will be exploring all options in that regard.

The previous poster is right. Be proactive. Get some public support and opinion behind the compensation cause.

It's dominating the media anyway. Why not try and slant it in our favour and start the lobbying process now? At the very least it will show that the Club is aware of supporter concerns on this matter.

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