WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - JACK VINEY

[daisycutter 28,430]

F/S must be nominated Oct 5 with resolution/meeting just before trade period (Oct 8-26). Nat Draft Nov 22.

So, No.

Well that's pretty much last minute. 3 days before trade period

FS bidding is before trade period

[Yossarian 1,808]

Jack's listed for Casey this week though there's an unexplained asterix next to his name. Anyone heard any word on this? He'll be playing in just his second VFL match and lining up against Wojinski again if it happens.

[Guest José Mourinho]

Jack's listed for Casey this week though there's an unexplained asterix next to his name. Anyone heard any word on this? He'll be playing in just his second VFL match and lining up against Wojinski again if it happens.

Asterisk just means he is 23rd man.

[Redleg 37,447]

Sheeds tanked his arse off today to get pick 1 and will continue in that vein next week. I can't see GWS in any way risking that pick 1 to nominate JV. They in fact will probably add to it by getting our pick 4 for an Under 17 player.

[TonyClifton 0]

Hey guys, this is my first post ever in forum.

Been talking to my brother about Jack and reading some news on him.

We (the Dees) have been warned on arrangements/deals with GWS or GCS to not nominate Jack as draft tampering.

I've read that other clubs have been getting involved with GWS and GCS telling them to nominate him to force us taking him early. Whether this is true or not I don't know.

My question is, isn't any club nominating him when they don't really want him with that pick purely to force us to take him at pick 3 also draft tampering?

And why haven't I read anything about the AFLl warning other clubs about this?

[Redleg 37,447]

Hey guys, this is my first post ever in forum.

Been talking to my brother about Jack and reading some news on him.

We (the Dees) have been warned on arrangements/deals with GWS or GCS to not nominate Jack as draft tampering.

I've read that other clubs have been getting involved with GWS and GCS telling them to nominate him to force us taking him early. Whether this is true or not I don't know.

My question is, isn't any club nominating him when they don't really want him with that pick purely to force us to take him at pick 3 also draft tampering?

And why haven't I read anything about the AFLl warning other clubs about this?

Because it's the AFL.

[rpfc 27,383]

My question is, isn't any club nominating him when they don't really want him with that pick purely to force us to take him at pick 3 also draft tampering?

And why haven't I read anything about the AFLl warning other clubs about this?

Because it is all about motives, how can you tell that a club isn't doing something for the right reasons - it's the same argument for us 'experimenting' in 09 during the Richmond game - how does anyone 'know' our motives?

They don't. And we don't know those of the teams below us.

And as for us doing deals with GWS and GC - it will be surreptitious and unprovable if we do end up doing deals with them.

[olisik 4,060]

Read somewhere that Viney is rubbed out for 1 week for misconduct during his Casey game last week.

His still a junior, it hasn't taken him long to settle in.

[Matt Demon 1,385]

Read somewhere that Viney is rubbed out for 1 week for misconduct during his Casey game last week.

His still a junior, it hasn't taken him long to settle in.

Oh FFS really? Scorps are on ABC this week. Would have been good to watch him run around.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,078]

Jack is worth a lot to the club. He is probably the best out and out midfielder in the likely first few rounds of the draft. He is loyal Demon.

What's more he got more contested possessions than Beamer last weekend just quietly ...

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

Sheeds tanked his arse off today to get pick 1 and will continue in that vein next week. I can't see GWS in any way risking that pick 1 to nominate JV. They in fact will probably add to it by getting our pick 4 for an Under 17 player.

Good god I hope we trade pick 4 for Jesse hogan

[Hannibal 5,814]

Good god I hope we trade pick 4 for Jesse hogan

I have some sympathy to this view.

Long-term I reckon we'd be counting our blessings. Big, strong, aggressive, courageous - just about everything our other young key forwards aren't. He's a better Hurley.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,078]

Apparently the Viney deal is a 'done deal'.

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

I have some sympathy to this view.

Long-term I reckon we'd be counting our blessings. Big, strong, aggressive, courageous - just about everything our other young key forwards aren't. He's a better Hurley.

Absolutely agree could you imagine not having to wait 5 years for a kid to put on some bulk to play senior footy? He is a jonathon brown mk 2. He has to work on his skills but to have him train with us for a full year would help him out so much if we don't get cloke we have to get him cause you don't find a brown or Hawkins every year in the draft

[Jarka 767]

Apparently the Viney deal is a 'done deal'.

What deal?

[dazzledavey36 48,619]

Absolutely agree could you imagine not having to wait 5 years for a kid to put on some bulk to play senior footy? He is a jonathon brown mk 2. He has to work on his skills but to have him train with us for a full year would help him out so much if we don't get cloke we have to get him cause you don't find a brown or Hawkins every year in the draft

Jonathon brown mk2?? you know they said that about billy morrison. shocking comparison. yes his skills do need ALOT of work! his kicking for goal is quite woeful. id rather jack martin.

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

Jonathon brown mk2?? you know they said that about billy morrison. shocking comparison. yes his skills do need ALOT of work! his kicking for goal is quite woeful. id rather jack martin.

Not going to argue about his kicking I agree. But it can be worked on. We have players with exceptional skills and their intent and body size are not there and may not ever come. This bloke has the size and pack marking skills and kicking for goal would be the easiest of all those skills to teach.

[Brayshaws' Helmet 143]

There is no way we are going to be able to take Viney with our second rounder, mostly because the other teams just can't afford it, they are already stocked with good players so it would be worth the risk to nominate for them I think. If they don't nominate for him, it essentially moves everyone's pick up one.

Having said that I hope we do. I just can't see it. Pessimistic, but...

Although on the flip side, if they don't it effectively gives us another top 5 pick.

frustrating

[rhaz 342]

We shouldn't be in a position to be taking him with such a low pick anyway. We really should be somewhere closer to the 8 and getting Viney in the mid-first round (as a bargain)

[Jordie_tackles 354]

There is alot of pressure on GC to do nominate him IMO.

GWS can't risk Whitfield. so it will dpeend on how they rate Viney v Toumpas, Grundy and Mayes/Wines.

[Neita3000 37]

Did anyone read Jay Clark's article in the Herald today.

Anyway he seems to think that we are keen on Jesse Hogan and may give up pick 3 in the mini draft for him. What the article doesn't mention however, is what happens to Viney in that case, Quite a glaring omission.

Anyway I assume if we trade pick 3 to the GWS and GC does the same with their pick 2, we may be able to pick up little Jack in the 2nd round.

Something like Hogan, Mayes, Kennedy, Viney would be a pretty good draft

[dazzledavey36 48,619]

nooo i dont wanna trade our early picks for mini drafts. its a risk especially with KPP. just focus on get speed and skill in toumpas and mayes!

[jnrmac 18,913]

What happens if we nominate Joe Daniher with our first pick as well as nominate Viney as a F/S

Does Ess have to match that?

[rpfc 27,383]

What happens if we nominate Joe Daniher with our first pick as well as nominate Viney as a F/S

Does Ess have to match that?

This is what would happen:

GC and GWS don't nominate Daniher or Viney, and then we nominate Daniher. Essendon then takes him with Pick 10ish.

It's very unlikely that GWS and GC won't nominate Daniher.

The process is done, not by kid, but by pick: GWS can reel off all the kids they want to with Pick 1 if the club with the rights decides to take them:

GWS: Daniher!

Ess: Pick 11!

GWS: Viney!

Melb: Pick 3!

GWS: McDonald!

NM: Pick 15!

etc.

[John Dee 436]

Anyway I assume if we trade pick 3 to the GWS and GC does the same with their pick 2, we may be able to pick up little Jack in the 2nd round.

This is precisely why the first thing that happens is the Father/Son bidding. Once that is complete, clubs cannot trade away the pick that is earmarked for the Father/Son.