Mfc: Addressing the struggle to keep up with the evolving game

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Dees wind up Pre-Season Football Review - Stephen Rielly The Australian

"People generally agree that we've got a talented young list, we've got a talented young administration, a very capable board, we're debt-free . . . but what does it look like from here? What I can say is that we're addressing the fact that the game can actually evolve quicker than what a club might be able to keep up with, quicker than its capacity to develop.

- C.Schwab

Let's be proactive....

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Dees wind up Pre-Season Football Review - ...donning the hooped socks, which will be worn only when the Demons are the away side against the Suns.

I wonder if MFC sell these socks.

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

Dees wind up Pre-Season Football Review - Stephen Rielly The Australian

- C.Schwab

Let's be proactive....

Good to see someone else noticed the same article....

[Mondê 525]

Apparently Malthouse interviewed at least two of our assistants at the end of last season to potentially join him at Collingwood and was stunned by how far behind they were in terms of knowledge and understanding of where the game of football was headed and how it was evolving. I assume that they were Mahoney and West.

[Tony Tea 2,816]

Apparently Malthouse interviewed at least two of our assistants at the end of last season to potentially join him at Collingwood and was stunned by how far behind they were in terms of knowledge and understanding of where the game of football was headed and how it was evolving. I assume that they were Mahoney and West.

So Mahoney & West wanted to leave last year? Was Wellman also a long way behind in footy knowledge?

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Agree... it doesn't provide any reference at all... where did the "information" come from?

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Agree... it doesn't provide any reference at all... where did the "information" come from?

I wasn't aware Mick Malthouse was the head professor at the University of football, conducting examinations annually

what a load of rubbish

[Mondê 525]

I work for champion data, people who have daily contact with high profile football journalists and clubs themselves. It is only what I was told, no details about the meeting, no names named. Mahoney and West was a blind guess at who was interviewed.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I work for champion data, people who have daily contact with high profile football journalists and clubs themselves. It is only what I was told, no details about the meeting, no names named. Mahoney and West was a blind guess at who was interviewed.

oh sorry I didn't realise we were talking about statisticians, I take it back

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

Apparently Malthouse interviewed at least two of our assistants at the end of last season to potentially join him at Collingwood and was stunned by how far behind they were in terms of knowledge and understanding of where the game of football was headed and how it was evolving. I assume that they were Mahoney and West.

Very Interesting....

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I work for champion data, people who have daily contact with high profile football journalists and clubs themselves. It is only what I was told, no details about the meeting, no names named. Mahoney and West was a blind guess at who was interviewed.

So based on the *comments you've been privvy to, do you see a direct correlation between this and what Schwab was talking about in keeping up with the evolving game ?

* not confirmed

[Roost It 1,434]

Tactically Blind Freedy can see we are behind the 8 ball at the moment.

[Ned 156]

Yep, sounds about right. You can see there's a problem.

[Mondê 525]

So based on the comments you've been privvy to, do you see a direct correlation between this and what Schwab was talking about in keeping up with the evolving game ?

Yes I do. It is clear to everybody who watches us play that we are not on the same page as the competitions best sides in terms of presses, zones, and forward defensive pressure. It was mentioned to me that Bailey is playing '2007 football'. It is a high risk high reward game plan in that, offensively it is very efficient especially against weak teams. Going back the other way is when we get hurt as we saw in the 3rd quarter against GC, and the inability to clear the D/50 when we come up against quality presses and zones (i.e Hawthorn 3rd quarter). I am aware that we pushed Collingwood to the brink twice last year and am intrigued by how we go against them this year.

[bing181 9,436]

Yep, sounds about right. You can see there's a problem.

... and no-one in the FD can.

If only the Dees were run by a committee of Demonlanders, we'd win the flag not just this year but every year.

Humbled to be amongt so many experts.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

just tell us what the boys have to say when we are on 5.5 wins/1.5 losses, sitting third on the ladder in 4 weeks time, it'll be blah blah blah cat-like ball movement, dynasty upcoming etc that's what they all said last year when the wind was blowing our way

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... and no-one in the FD can.

If only the Dees were run by a committee of Demonlanders, we'd win the flag not just this year but every year.

Humbled to be amongt so many experts.

Paul Roos and Grant Thomas are experts.... Both have said in recent weeks that we seem to be behind the 8 ball and our game plan doesn't suit the modern game....

Take your blinkers off mate

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Yes I do. It is clear to everybody who watches us play that we are not on the same page as the competitions best sides in terms of presses, zones, and forward defensive pressure. It was mentioned to me that Bailey is playing '2007 football'. It is a high risk high reward game plan in that, offensively it is very efficient especially against weak teams. Going back the other way is when we get hurt as we saw in the 3rd quarter against GC, and the inability to clear the D/50 when we come up against quality presses and zones (i.e Hawthorn 3rd quarter). I am aware that we pushed Collingwood to the brink twice last year and am intrigued by how we go against them this year.

If that 'style' is 2007 football or for the sake of the argument like Geelong's style, high risk, offensive football. Don't you think an improved synergised midfield and maturity all round would have this style play in a much more effective manner than it is now whilst we're still young and vulnerable sometimes against good opposition ?

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Paul Roos and Grant Thomas are experts.... Both have said in recent weeks that we seem to be behind the 8 ball and our game plan doesn't suit the modern game....

Take your blinkers off mate

What were those two opinions after the Swans game last year, or better still, after a number of good exciting performances last year ?

I think we should wait several more weeks "at least" - hell until round 17-19 if need be - and see what transpires re: our performances.

I want to see our young team with McKenzie & Scully contributing and see progress of other young hopefuls first.

[Demons 32 235]

What were those two opinions after the Swans game last year, or better still, after a number of good exciting performances last year ?

I think we should wait several more weeks "at least" - hell until round 17-19 if need be - and see what transpires re: our performances.

I want to see our young team with McKenzie & Scully contributing and see progress of other young hopefuls first.

That is an important thing to remember... However it is also important to remember that football changes very very very quickly.

The last thing we want is to be the team left behind and you would have to say at this current moment we do seem behind the 8 ball when it comes to forward pressure and forward spacing when going forward.

There are holes in our game plan, and while adding talent such as Scully and Mckenzie will help us, it may only be a bandage to a far more serious problem.

I for one am happy for the club to do as many reviews as they want, it is always important to stay 1 step ahead.

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I think this idea of a "modern game" is overused and misinterpreted too often.

Many varying styles have won premierships in the past decade and will continue to. Reality is, it's usually the better teams in the competition that lead to what the "modern game" stands for. Obviously in some ways there are generalities about the modern game that make it unique to what it was in the past, but game style does not equal "modern game" IMO.

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If we are indeed playing '2007 football' I'm sure this review will find that out and fix the calendar...

If we can't model ourselves on Geelong because we should model ourselves on Collingwood - shouldn't we model ourselves on the next 'Collingwood'?

Again, Old55, mentions it quite a bit - if you are worried about us being left in the dust when it comes to gameplan - don't look at Collingwood 2010.

It'll be different in 2014...

[Mondê 525]

If that 'style' is 2007 football or for the sake of the argument like Geelong's style, high risk, offensive football. Don't you think an improved synergised midfield and maturity all round would have this style play in a much more effective manner than it is now whilst we're still young and vulnerable sometimes against good opposition ?

Of course once we have bigger bodies and more experienced players we will obviously be better off, no matter what game plan we are utilising. However, we saw what happened to Geelong in the 2008 GF, and more importantly what happened to them in last years preliminary final. They got strangled. The plan revolves around fast movement of the ball and a wave of runners always ready to rebound and receive a quick handball. Intense forward pressure/tackling and locking the ball in the forward half is where the game is at now...there was little resistance to Geelong running and gunning in 2007. They are still the masters of the game plan we are trying to emulate now, because their ground kicking and handballs are so accurate they more often then not punish opposition on the rebound. Our skills are nowhere near that level yet. I will try and get my hands on some stats that reveal how many times we score from turnovers and how many times we get punished when we turn the ball over. I fear it will be damning against top 8 teams

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In essence, who has a crystal ball?

Magic 8 ball?

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In essence, who has a crystal ball?

Magic 8 ball?

Here is a left field question for you rpfc.

How do you see the West Coast's development over summer, and what might you think you put their rate of improvement down to ? (relating to how the game is evolving, coaches, etc)