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  1. Well, time to start the game day thread seeing that there's 12 hours to go and the big news is that Paul Roos likes us. Why Melbourne can turn it around sooner than you think, writes Paul Roos This is his best team with a question mark next to some who he asks whether they would be consistent AFL performers ... and there are a few blanks. MELBOURNE B: Frawley Garland ... HB: Grimes McDonald ... C: Blease? Jones Watts HF:Sylvia Dawes Hogan F: Clark Howe ... R:Jamar? Trengove Viney I/C: Fitzpatrick? ... ... ... Only 10 of that list playing today. Is it enough to avoid the humiliation of a defeat at Skoda?
  2. THE PEOPLE SPEAK - HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN by The Demonland Crew compiled by The Oracle The Demonland crew speak about the Demons' game at Skoda. Will It be a day of shame? belzebub59: The journey of the Melbourne Football Club has come to this, a game against the leagues bottom club to be played at a former baseball ground come animal arena sited deep in enemy territory of Sydney's West. Despite the less than inspiring locale the greatest concern is that this lowly team doesn't embarrass us. Yes, you read it right, that the leagues least successful team doesn't humiliate us. The shame , the shame. How the mighty have fallen ! Fallen ... but how far? Demonfan26: Both teams have been a bit up and down but on the whole we have been okay since Craig took over. I expect to see a Dees win by between 30-40 points. Hoping for big games from Toumpas, Viney, Trengove and Nathan Jones against younger opposition. why you little: If Jeremy Cameron gets going we are in for a bad day. How can you predict what the Melbourne Football Club will do as last Saturday was not football. I want Neil Craig to be at his absolute best this weekend. If we get flogged against GW$ that will be THE rock bottom. I want to see some fight. Supermercado: We held Cameron to eight kicks and one goal last time, but there's plenty of weapons in that team if they get their tail up AND open up enough of a gap to insulate them against their traditional last quarter fade out. Expecting to lose so I'll either be right or surprised. hardtack: I don't think that the biggest factor working against us will be Jeremy Cameron (he can be contained by Garland and/or McDonald), but I do think SKODA Stadium will be. This is a small "boutique" ground that I believe has flukey winds and is one that we have never played on before. The average crowd size has been around the 8,000 mark, so at least not too many will be there to witness our demise (should it happen), in person. While lack of local knowledge will work against us, by the same token, the size of the ground means that we have a better chance of moving the ball into our forward 50 more frequently, and this could play to our advantage if Dawes, Watts and Fitzpatrick are on song. Dees should get up by 11 points in what will be a close and hard fought encounter. THE GAME GWS Giants at Skoda Stadium Saturday 3 August 2013 at 1.10pm HEAD TO HEAD Overall GWS Giants 0 wins Melbourne 3 wins At Skoda Stadium GWS Giants 0 wins Melbourne 0 wins Since 2000 GWS Giants 0 wins Melbourne 3 wins The Coaches Sheedy 0 wins Craig 0 wins MEDIA TV - Fox Footy Channel (live @ 1.30pm) RADIO - SEN THE BETTING GWS Giants to win $1.85 Melbourne to win $1.97 LAST TIME THEY MET Melbourne 22.12.144 defeated GWS Giants 15.13.103 in Round 4 at the MCG DemonWA: A 12 goal last quarter from the last time they met should fill the boys with some confidence. GWS are in better form, but I hope the boys really play with some pride and don't allow themselves to be GWS' only scalp for the year. THE TEAMS GWS GIANTS Backs Phil Davis Joshua Bruce Curtly Hampton Half backs Nicholas Haynes Tim Mohr Zachary Williams Centreline Dylan Shiel Adam Treloar Lachie Whitfield Half forwards Jeremy Cameron Adam Tomlinson Mark Whiley Forwards Devon Smith Dean Brogan Tomas Bugg Followers Jonathan Giles Callan Ward Tom Scully Interchange Taylor Adams Stephen Coniglio Toby Greene Adam Kennedy Emergencies Sam Darley Stephen Gilham Nathan Wilson In Stephen Coniglio Lachie Whitfield Out Sam Darley Will Hoskin-Elliott (concussion) MELBOURNE Backs Lynden Dunn Cameron Pedersen Dean Terlich Half backs Colin Garland Tom McDonald Mitch Clisby Centreline Jack Viney Jack Trengove Jack Grimes Half forwards Matt Jones Jack Watts Jeremy Howe Forwards Dean Kent Max Gawn Jack Fitzpatrick Followers Jake Spencer Colin Sylvia Nathan Jones Interchange Shannon Byrnes Aaron Davey Luke Tapscott Jimmy Toumpas Emergencies Troy Davis Jordie McKenzie Daniel Nicholson In Colin Garland Jake Spencer Dean Terlich Out Sam Blease Chris Dawes (calf) James Frawley (hamstring) Rolling Stone: Melbourne has hardly fired a shot this year despite having the man who was reputed to be the world's greatest fitness guru, David Misson whose job description is "Elite Performance Manager". When he was at Sydney they went through the weeks leading up to the finals and then right through to the big one with virtually no injuries, having to make only one change to their line up in the last ten weeks before the grand final. With a settled side like that, they were odds on to win a flag and win one they did. When he was appointed to the Melbourne job I thought "happy days are here again" but the reality has been no change. We just keep getting important players injured. Like James Frawley on the eve of a game v GWS which has this flash young FF kicking lots of goals. Last week it was Colin Garland and Dean Terlich was one of the mystery injuries of the week. What next. Things were looking up for a while and we had only one or two changes every week after Neil Craig took over but this week, I think there will be changes aplenty. And there will have to be if we are to get up and win in the long, cold shadow of Phil Scully at Skoda Stadium. Don't know why but I'm tipping Melbourne to win by a point. Die Hard Demon: We haven't played a game at Skoda stadium yet. Our interstate record is truly awful. Our players will succumb to the perceived pressure of "surely we can't lose this game"syndrome. I think it will be a 3-4 goal victory to GWS. Webber: I think it's known to everyone, us as supporters, the media, and undoubtedly the players, that this is GWS' best chance for a win this year. They kicked us around for 3 quarters at our home earlier this year, and will use that as evidence and motivation. Make no mistake, this is the Giants biggest game for the year. Our team knows it, and how we respond will reveal just how damaged we really are. If we're all honest, our psychological form this year would suggest we will crumble like the crumbliest of things. So there you have it folks. Skoda Stadium, Jeremy Cameron, our fitness programme, injuries to key players. Are the bookies right in installing GWS as favourite to win for the first time in their brief history? We'll know in a couple of days. [Thanks to all contributors]
  3. The Demonland crew speak about the Demons' game at Skoda. Will It be a day of shame? belzebub59: The journey of the Melbourne Football Club has come to this, a game against the leagues bottom club to be played at a former baseball ground come animal arena sited deep in enemy territory of Sydney's West. Despite the less than inspiring locale the greatest concern is that this lowly team doesn't embarrass us. Yes, you read it right, that the leagues least successful team doesn't humiliate us. The shame , the shame. How the mighty have fallen ! Fallen ... but how far? Demonfan26: Both teams have been a bit up and down but on the whole we have been okay since Craig took over. I expect to see a Dees win by between 30-40 points. Hoping for big games from Toumpas, Viney, Trengove and Nathan Jones against younger opposition. why you little: If Jeremy Cameron gets going we are in for a bad day. How can you predict what the Melbourne Football Club will do as last Saturday was not football. I want Neil Craig to be at his absolute best this weekend. If we get flogged against GW$ that will be THE rock bottom. I want to see some fight. Supermercado: We held Cameron to eight kicks and one goal last time, but there's plenty of weapons in that team if they get their tail up AND open up enough of a gap to insulate them against their traditional last quarter fade out. Expecting to lose so I'll either be right or surprised. hardtack: I don't think that the biggest factor working against us will be Jeremy Cameron (he can be contained by Garland and/or McDonald), but I do think SKODA Stadium will be. This is a small "boutique" ground that I believe has flukey winds and is one that we have never played on before. The average crowd size has been around the 8,000 mark, so at least not too many will be there to witness our demise (should it happen), in person. While lack of local knowledge will work against us, by the same token, the size of the ground means that we have a better chance of moving the ball into our forward 50 more frequently, and this could play to our advantage if Dawes, Watts and Fitzpatrick are on song. Dees should get up by 11 points in what will be a close and hard fought encounter. THE GAME GWS Giants at Skoda Stadium Saturday 3 August 2013 at 1.10pm HEAD TO HEAD Overall GWS Giants 0 wins Melbourne 3 wins At Skoda Stadium GWS Giants 0 wins Melbourne 0 wins Since 2000 GWS Giants 0 wins Melbourne 3 wins The Coaches Sheedy 0 wins Craig 0 wins MEDIA TV - Fox Footy Channel (live @ 1.30pm) RADIO - SEN THE BETTING GWS Giants to win $1.85 Melbourne to win $1.97 LAST TIME THEY MET Melbourne 22.12.144 defeated GWS Giants 15.13.103 in Round 4 at the MCG DemonWA: A 12 goal last quarter from the last time they met should fill the boys with some confidence. GWS are in better form, but I hope the boys really play with some pride and don't allow themselves to be GWS' only scalp for the year. THE TEAMS GWS GIANTS Backs Phil Davis Joshua Bruce Curtly Hampton Half backs Nicholas Haynes Tim Mohr Zachary Williams Centreline Dylan Shiel Adam Treloar Lachie Whitfield Half forwards Jeremy Cameron Adam Tomlinson Mark Whiley Forwards Devon Smith Dean Brogan Tomas Bugg Followers Jonathan Giles Callan Ward Tom Scully Interchange Taylor Adams Stephen Coniglio Toby Greene Adam Kennedy Emergencies Sam Darley Stephen Gilham Nathan Wilson In Stephen Coniglio Lachie Whitfield Out Sam Darley Will Hoskin-Elliott (concussion) MELBOURNE Backs Lynden Dunn Cameron Pedersen Dean Terlich Half backs Colin Garland Tom McDonald Mitch Clisby Centreline Jack Viney Jack Trengove Jack Grimes Half forwards Matt Jones Jack Watts Jeremy Howe Forwards Dean Kent Max Gawn Jack Fitzpatrick Followers Jake Spencer Colin Sylvia Nathan Jones Interchange Shannon Byrnes Aaron Davey Luke Tapscott Jimmy Toumpas Emergencies Troy Davis Jordie McKenzie Daniel Nicholson In Colin Garland Jake Spencer Dean Terlich Out Sam Blease Chris Dawes (calf) James Frawley (hamstring) Rolling Stone: Melbourne has hardly fired a shot this year despite having the man who was reputed to be the world's greatest fitness guru, David Misson whose job description is "Elite Performance Manager". When he was at Sydney they went through the weeks leading up to the finals and then right through to the big one with virtually no injuries, having to make only one change to their line up in the last ten weeks before the grand final. With a settled side like that, they were odds on to win a flag and win one they did. When he was appointed to the Melbourne job I thought "happy days are here again" but the reality has been no change. We just keep getting important players injured. Like James Frawley on the eve of a game v GWS which has this flash young FF kicking lots of goals. Last week it was Colin Garland and Dean Terlich was one of the mystery injuries of the week. What next. Things were looking up for a while and we had only one or two changes every week after Neil Craig took over but this week, I think there will be changes aplenty. And there will have to be if we are to get up and win in the long, cold shadow of Phil Scully at Skoda Stadium. Don't know why but I'm tipping Melbourne to win by a point. Die Hard Demon: We haven't played a game at Skoda stadium yet. Our interstate record is truly awful. Our players will succumb to the perceived pressure of "surely we can't lose this game"syndrome. I think it will be a 3-4 goal victory to GWS. Webber: I think it's known to everyone, us as supporters, the media, and undoubtedly the players, that this is GWS' best chance for a win this year. They kicked us around for 3 quarters at our home earlier this year, and will use that as evidence and motivation. Make no mistake, this is the Giants biggest game for the year. Our team knows it, and how we respond will reveal just how damaged we really are. If we're all honest, our psychological form this year would suggest we will crumble like the crumbliest of things. So there you have it folks. Skoda Stadium, Jeremy Cameron, our fitness programme, injuries to key players. Are the bookies right in installing GWS as favourite to win for the first time in their brief history? We'll know in a couple of days. [Thanks to all contributors]
  4. Tanking debate Do you believe GWS tanked in 2012? Vote <> Yes Vote <> No NEW GAME UNDER SCRUTINY IN GWS TANKING PROBE - EXCLUSIVE by Michael Whorener and Mark Robbersonofabich, August 19, 2017 A NEW suspect game has emerged as the AFL probes tanking claims against GWS. Tanking debate The Giants lost to Melbourne in Canberra in Round 21, 2012, after making numerous changes over a two week period following their second and last win (against Port Adelaide) of the club's inaugural season of AFL competition. They included a total of eight changes for the game against Gold Coast (already under the scrutiny of investigators) in which the Suns coasted to a five goal victory overturning their 27-point Round 7 loss from earlier in the year. A respected former AFL coach is believed to have told the enquiry that he was "reeling in shock" when he learned that more changes to the Giants' line up were pending the following week for the Demons game after three key players Jonathan Patton, Jeremy Cameron and Dylan Shiels had their seasons brought to an abrupt and mysterious end after they were sent to have surgery for various suddenly-incurred ailments. Captain Callan Ward who ultimately won the club championship that season as well as the number one pick from the previous year's draft Stephen Coniglio were among the eight changes from the previous week while gun midfielder Adam Treloar was omitted for the Demons' game raising the eyebrows of many astute football observers from the Western Sydney area. Insiders have revealed that a member of the club's staff (who is also a relative of one of the playing list) was so disturbed by the events of the time that he went on an eating binge putting on 10 kilograms in the five days leading up to the Melbourne game and it is rumoured that his flight to Canberra on the day before the match had to be turned back because it was carrying excess baggage. Sources close to the club are said to have claimed under conditions of anonymity that they were privy to a conversation with a cousin of a senior GWS official the night before the match which indicated steps had been taken to reduce the prospect of a win.The conversation at a Canberra hotel centred around concerns the GWS would win too many games in 2012, costing them the first pick at the national draft."We'll be right, we've made plenty of changes and Lachie is in the bag," he is alleged to have said, most likely referring to former GWS midfielder Lachie Whitfield who was selected with the Giants' first pick in the 2012 National Draft. "Eight changes, we'll be right" Associates of the club have said they would consider submitting to formal interview as part of the AFL's tanking probe. Our investigation has revealed: ■ FORMER Melbourne captain James McDonald and a playing member of the first GWS squad in 2012 has been interviewed by the AFL and denies tanking took place. ■ ONE of GWS's club doctors from 2012 said "Blind Freddy could tell the team wasn't picked for optimal performance" late in the season. ■ TWO of the eight changes for the Gold Coast match were made after team selection. ■ AT one stage of the Manuka match players were rotated on and then off before having the opportunity to take up their positions on the ground. As a result, a record number of 256 rotations were made for the game, a figure which stands in stark contrast to the zero number of interchanges in Round 11 when GWS had the bye. ■ THE Giants would not comment yesterday when asked about the Canberra game or the tanking investigation. Asked about the Manuka match last night, an AFL spokesman said: "We are not providing a running commentary on the investigation or confirming who or how many people we have spoken to". The AFL inquiry, has involved interviews with a number of past and present Giants officials and players.The only person interviewed who was prepared to say anything was Blind Freddie whose only comment was, "I saw nothing!" Whitfield is one of the players believed to have been interviewed. Ironically, he left the Giants after two controversial seasons in Western Sydney to join the Tassie Mappers, a new franchise playing out of Hobart and Launceston, for what was believed to be a then record sum. Expert commentators have pointed to several suspicious aspects of the game including these tell-tale signs: • ISRAEL FOLAU - the GWS rugby league convert seemed lost on the field in the opening half and had less Dream Team points in the game's first fifty minutes than Jack Watts who was on the Demons' bench and still wearing his green sub's vest at the time. Folau had just three touches when he was finally subbed off after seeing Melbourne off to an unassailable lead. Critics claim that Folau was given a contract with the Giants for reasons not connected with his ability to play the game. It is understood that the club's founders originally settled on the colour orange so that Folau would resemble a witches hat around around which opposition teams could play. One commentator said on radio at the time of Folau, "He doesn't know how to compete. He doesn't know what to do out there. Right now, again, he is a statue watching the birds." Despite claims that using a player lacking any ability like Folau was tantamount to lying down, Sheedy was adamant about his player's value pointing out that his efforts kept pests like Seagulls away from the playing arena and this was good for the environment. Cynics point to the fact that once Folau was subbed off in the final term, the Giants outscored the Demons. • NO JACKET, NO WINDSOCK AND NO MARTIANS Despite the freezing conditions (snow fell the day before), Giants coach Kevin Sheedy failed to bring his club jacket to the ground - proof that he had no intention of waving it in his customary fashion when his team tastes a victory, pointing to the fact that the coach knew that it was not going to happen against the Demons. It was also noted that the Manuka Oval windsock had not been dismantled for the game and not a single UFO sighting was reported in the days leading up to the game. • TOM SCULLY'S 50M PENALTY - consummate professionals earning in excess of $1m a season do not give away 50m penalties in front of goal. Our informant advised that the former Demon had been unnerved during the game by the constant booing and jeering happening on the other side of the fence. He also revealed that the main offenders were members of the GWS's own cheer squad. Photo: Young GWS midfielder Tom Scully arrives for the infamous game at Manuka Oval against Melbourne on 18 August, 2012 For his part, Sheedy was adamant he would never coach a team to a wooden spoon and he fulfilled that promise a week and a half later when he resigned on the eve of the final round leaving his deputy Mark "Choko" Williams with that honour when they lost the last game of the year to North Melbourne by what was briefly a record AFL margin until they lost to the Demons on the MCG early in 2013. The investigation is continuing. * * * * * * * * * THE Round 21 Manuka Oval game is also also known for its inclusion in the Guinness Book of Records as one of the Melbourne Football Club's ten most ugly wins in the more than 150 years of its history. The windy conditions made things tough for the players and it was a scrap from start to finish. The Demons took control by the middle of the first quarter and by the first break, they held an 8 point lead which they stretched to 18 at half time before kicking away to a lead of 39 points at the final break and then scored the first goal of the final term before deciding to follow the lead of their hosts and play dead through to junk time when a few late Giants goals reduced the winning margin to a paltry 25 points in the slopfest. The critics had a field day as they skewered the winning team for taking their feet off the Giants' throats in the final stanza claiming that such conduct was "unacceptable" (conveniently forgetting having labelled their 8 goal final quarter against the Saints the week before as "irrelevant"). The tragic performance of the losers was forgotten altogether until the current tanking investigation began last month. Better players in this game for Melbourne were Lynden Dunn who rose like Phoenix from the ashes of his abandoned mustache, the two co-skippers Jack Grimes and Jack Trengove who were really beginning to grow into their leadership roles and jumping Jeremy Howe who added to his weekly highlights reel and booted three goals. It could have been many more had he managed to handle the blustery conditions in a game in which his team finished with 29 scoring shots to 14. Little could we imagine that the Demons were on their way to bigger and brighter things so soon after that dismal day in the nation's capital but that's another story for another time. Melbourne 3.4.22 6.10.46 9.13.67 11.18.84 GWS Giants 2.2.14 4.4.28 4.5.29 9.5.59 Goals Melbourne Howe 3 Rivers Sellar Trengove 2 Green Grimes GWS Giants Greene 2 Adams Davis Giles McDonald Phillips Power Smith Best Melbourne Dunn Howe Grimes Trengove Macdonald Sylvia GWS Giants Greene Giles Power Adams Phillips Cornes Injuries Melbourne Nil GWS Giants Nil Changes Melbourne Nil GWS Giants Nil Reports Melbourne Nil GWS Giants Nil Umpires Ryan Armstrong Harris Official crowd 7,561 at Manuka Oval The views in this article are not necessarily those of the authors, Demonland, the AFL or its clubs.
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