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  1. 23 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

    Of he does indeed nominate for the PSD I expect that the club will at the very least talk to his management (if they haven't already). But I do expect him to turn it down and say he wants to be a Carlton player.

    I doubt we will pick a player who publicly wants to play for someone else. But looking forward to hear rumours about him touring our facilities. That would build some real excitement before the draft

    Worked out ok for Carlton when they took Nick Stevens.

    Just take him and deal with the rest later. At the very worst we trade him to Carlton in 12 months and get something out of them they otherwise would have banked

  2. 1 hour ago, jimbo1982 said:

    Thanks for explaining.  I’ve just been reading about the points system involved (see link below).   Makes more sense. Definitely not an even system, but seems the best they’ve come up with so far. I’ll have to read up on “priority” picks now. Seems like another rort to take advantage of. 


    https://m.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/Father-son-bidding-system.pdf

    The academies, father sons and priority picks are all a rort. Welcome to the AFL.

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  3. 2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    I think we are saying the same thing in that uncontracted = delisted.

    They're two different things though. A club delisting a player means they no longer want him, have actively delisted him and he becomes a free agent. An uncontracted player means club and player were unable to come to terms and his contract lapsed following the trade period. He is not delisted at that stage just uncontracted. So he is not a free agent but he can go back into the national or preseason draft.

    Otherwise every uncontracted player would just let their contracts lapse and become delisted free agents.

  4. 21 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    He would have to get GCS to delist him first and can't see why they would do that nor why Martin would want to be delisted.  I reckon the journo didn't think it through before going to print.

    They don't have to delist him do they? If they can't get him to sign a new contract he has to go to the PSD as an uncontracted player (not a delisted free agent) where Gold Coast can simply draft him again as they have first pick in the PSD.

  5. 7 minutes ago, jimbo1982 said:

    I might be a bit slow on the uptake, but if Green is in the draft, and we have pick 3, how can GWS prevent us selecting him if he’s not taken with picks 1 or 2?

    Same thing that happened with Heeney. We select him and then they have to match the pick with enough points from their remaining picks.

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  6. 38 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

    If GWS do the trade it will be 100% to take Tom Green.  They won't do it and then select someone else.

    Nah it would be so they DON'T have to take Green. They would select someone else with 3 then match a bid for Green later in the draft. Staying at 6 means missing out on the extra player as they would need to use 6 to match a bid for Green at 3, 4 or 5.

    So basically they'll get Green either way but this allows them to get someone else on top (eg Serong)

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  7. 2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

    Yes they can but the discussed scenario includes losing their 2020 1st rounder to us so they'd be down to later picks which would wipe out their 2020 draft. If they have academy players then they'd be in trouble paying for them.

    True but they can deal with that next year by trading back in to those rounds as long as the AFL signs it off (which they certainly would)

  8. 2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

    We're in the best position possible going into last day of trade period.

    Two extremely valuable picks are on the table if the right offer pops up.

    We'll be sitting back, cross-legged with cigar in mouth knowing that if nothing comes up, we go to the draft with two top 10 picks a year after making a prelim. 

    Added to that is the fact that we've addressed a problem area with the additions of Langdon and to a lesser extent Tomlinson. No longer will we have to play inside midfielders on a wing. 

    And this is all without mentioning the fact that we have a pre-season with Burgess coming up. One of the most highly respected fitness coaches around.

    I'm putting a cheeky $20 on us for top 4 next year.


    Only top 4? Where's your faith? Chuck a gremlin on us for the flag.

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  9. 2 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

    Agree Gonzo. The AFL should abolish recruiting zones and academies all together, if they do in fact want the draft to be an equalisation tool.

    I'd be happy for the northern clubs to be given zones within their local proximity if need be (Lions - suburbs, Suns - Gold Coast area, Swans - Sydney suburbs, GWS - western suburbs), but not to the extent where GWS gets kids that are closer to Melbourne than they are Sydney.

    These clubs (and the AFL) elected to set up camp at these respective locations, so should consequently feel the effects of this (positive or negative).

    I'd be more than happy for the F/S rule to come into line where a club has to pay full price points-wise once they are bid on. Clubs get the advantage of matching bids should they want the F/S prospect, they don't need the additional advantage of paying at a discounted rate (this goes for the northern clubs academies as well).

    I'd be happy for either the father son rule to be abolished (along with all academies) or for the father son rule to be retained and GWS/gold coast get to keep their academies until their clubs are old enough to qualify for father sons (let's say 20 years after inception)

  10. The AFL has butchered this completely. Instead of removing advantages some clubs had (northern academies) they expand these concepts across the board. Zoning failed last time and contributed to the near destruction of the competition.

    How can the draft be used as an equalisation measure when the majority of top 40 picks are going to be zoned to particular clubs? The rules as to who qualifies for the Next Gen Academy zones is also idiotic. I was born in Australia and grew up with a footy in my arms. My parents both grew up in Australia. But because my wife was born overseas (coming here as a teenager) my kids would qualify for Next Gen Academies. These are not kids who are new to the game etc my son started Auskick as a 5 year old.

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  11. 8 hours ago, Sydee said:

    We are making a big bet on two players (Lever not key position IMO and May) that have spent very little time out on the ground - hope they can play most games next year otherwise I'm not sure our back line stocks are that flash

    Perhaps the club rates Petty as a better 2 to 3 year prospect than Frost - OMac well the least said the better 

    May 106 of a possible 132 games between 2013-2018 (including a 5 game suspension for his bump on Martin - not sure if any other suspensions?)

    Lever 67 of a possible 77 games since debut up until injuring his knee in 2018.

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  12. 3 minutes ago, rjay said:

    Hogan was part of that forward line so the answer doesn't carry a lot of weight...

    Maybe we have another tall forward in mind.


    Garlett too

    I guess they're banking on full seasons from Melksham and Hannan but I don't think we have that natural small forward. None of our forwards really have "goal sense" ie the ability to find the goals when snapping out of a pack or from a pocket. That's something we desperately lack.

  13. 1 hour ago, BW511 said:

    So aside from everyone being upset about 1 or 2 names, we can all acknowledge the list isn’t filled with consistent high end talent

    It's that dirty word BW - potential

    We'd be hoping Petracca, Brayshaw, Lever, Salem and probably Viney fulfill their potential as elite players in their respective positions

    They'd also be hoping Weideman comes on and be the key forward we need him to be.

    IF those players meet expectations we will have a great core with Gawn and Oliver. Time is on their side but 2020 is the year they need to collectively take that step.

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  14. One of the guys is a Melbourne supporter which helps but I've listened to their other "list manager" podcast too and they have a great insight if every list (the other guy is a Collingwood supporter). Added to my must listen list.

  15. 6 hours ago, Demonland said:

    I saw the potential in this Melbourne list back in 2016 when I wrote at the end of the season those long-suffering supporters could finally start saving for finals tickets ahead of the 2017 season.

    When I look at this Melbourne list it is full of talented players and has that star quality you need for sustained success. Players like Angus Brayshaw, Christian Petracca, Viney, Clayton Oliver, Tom McDonald, Jesse Hogan (if he stays), Jake Lever and Christian Salem are the present and the future of this club. This is one of the most talented groups of young players in the AFL and they’re starting to hit their peak.

    They will form the nucleus of a side I expect to build a successful era for this football club.

    Add them to the experience of Jones, Max Gawn, Michael Hibberd, Jake Melksham, Neville Jetta and Jordan Lewis and it’s a very nice group of 14 players for which the sky is the limit in what they can achieve together



  16. 8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    2018 is old news. His rating was for 2019

    The guy knows the game. Whorethorn were just as evil in the 80’s as they are now. 

    The MFC needs more media scrutiny, not scornful responses

    His rating should be for 2020

  17. 11 hours ago, binman said:

    I'm not sure about May being injury prone. Ha no issues until coming to the dees and perhpas struggling with the increased running load. Hopefully yhat's not an issue next year.

    And granted Lever has had 2 ACLs (one as a junior) but i'm not convinced he is injury prone as such.

    I was listening to a podcast the other day where they were talking about Collingwood's soft tissue injuries in 2018 and said one of the main reasons was a change in focus between long distance running to repeat burst running. I wonder if there was a similar difference between the way Gold Coast trained and the way we do. It's not that one is right and the other wrong just that different styles for different game plans

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  18. 12 hours ago, Demonland said:

    Here’s the breakdown:

    A: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver

    B+: Jack Viney, Tom McDonald

    B: Nil

    B-: Nathan Jones, Christian Salem, Angus Brayshaw, Michael Hibberd, Kade Kolodjashnij, Jake Melksham, Bayley Fritsch, Steven May

    C+: Christian Petracca, Jake Lever, Sam Frost, Aaron Vandenberg, Jayden Hunt, Alex Neale-Bullen, Marty Hore, Josh Wagner, Neville Jetta

    C : James Harmes, Billy Stretch, Mitch Hannan, Oscar McDonald, Joel Smith, Corey Wagner

    C-: Jay Kennedy-Harris, Braydon Preuss

    Developing*: Sam Weideman

    Developing: Charlie Spargo, Oskar Baker, Harrison Petty, James Jordan, Tom Sparrow, Toby Bedford, Aaron Nietschke, Austin Bradtke, Kade Chandler

    For a team that has had so many top draft picks, for the players not to have elevated themselves and/or received the right development to become very good AFL players or stars of the competition by now is alarming.

    A: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver

    B+: Steven May

    B: Tom McDonald, Neville Jetta

    B-: Christian Petracca, Christian Salem, Angus Brayshaw, Michael Hibberd, Jake Melksham, Bayley Fritsch, Jake Lever, James Harmes, Jack Viney

    C+: Nathan Jones, Aaron Vandenberg, Jayden Hunt, Alex Neale-Bullen, Marty Hore

    C : Mitch Hannan, Oscar McDonald, Sam Frost

    C-: Jay Kennedy-Harris, Braydon Preuss, Kade Kolodjashnij, Billy Stretch, Corey Wagner, Joel Smith, Josh Wagner

    Developing*: Sam Weideman

    Developing: Charlie Spargo, Oskar Baker, Harrison Petty, James Jordan, Tom Sparrow, Toby Bedford, Aaron Nietschke, Austin Bradtke, Kade Chandler

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