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Ben E

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  1. Over-played or not, it’s real. Ask any of the clubs in the so-called non-football states, where player retention is and has been a huge issue. Look at the raft of concessions the AFL has given these clubs over the years to mitigate this risk, including granting GCS pick #2 this year so that two Vic-based best mates can stick together, support each other and stay at the club. As for the Demons, yes, Thomson and Hogan are indeed two great examples of MFC ‘high-end talent’ wanting to leave the club and go home. And, for many Dees’ supporters, their cases alone provide enough of a cautionary tale - and they should. Looking at the recruitment of our last 25 high draft picks (i.e. Round 1, priority and mini draft) over the past 20 years, Thomson and Hogan represent almost 30% (2 out of 7) of those taken from outside Victoria. All seven, and their outcomes, are listed below: 2000: S Thomson (SA) - went home, traded to Crows end of 2004 2002: D Bell (SA) - delisted end of 2010 2002: N Smith (SA) - delisted end of 2006 2007: C Morton (WA) - went home, traded to Eagles end of 2012 2009: J Trengove (SA) - delisted end of 2017 (picked up by Power as DFA) 2012: J Toumpas (SA) - went home, traded to Power end of 2015 2012: J Hogan (WA) - went home, traded to Dockers end of 2018 On the face of it, then, 5 of our 7 high draft picks from interstate since 2000 have ended up playing with a club in their home state. Now, I won’t claim that Morton, Trengove and Toumpas are the greatest examples of the go-home factor at work, but the other two, yes. And those two (Thomson and Hogan) just happen to be the best of the lot. MFC no doubt know all this (and more) and - it appears - are willing to take the risk with Jacko.
  2. I’d say more than a few. And don’t under-estimate the amount of time, effort and money clubs put into potential targets to come back to their home state. It’s a compelling selling point. The last three free agency / trade periods have included the following player movements, where one could easily argue the pull to go home played an important - perhaps the dominant - role in that player’s decision to move states: 2017: Schache, Weller, N Wilson, B Matera, Gibbs, Lever, Saad, C Cameron, D Smith, Ablett, B Ah Chee, J Trengove, Crozier 2018: Conca, T Lynch, Lycett, Newman, Shiel, Colyer, Hogan, Lobb, Mayes, Scully, Stengle, Scrimshaw, Setterfield, Hannebery, Rohan, Pittard 2019: Tomlinson, T Kelly, E Langdon, Betts, Patton, Howard, Z Smith, A Keath, T Cutler, Z Jones, A Bonar, Acres For me, the go-home factor (and why, by the way, should that exclude ‘significant family pull or circumstances’ - isn’t that what it’s all about?) is a legitimate concern to have with the recruitment of Jackson. And that’s not just because the Hogan experience is still fresh. Jackson, as talented as he is and as good as he may become, appears to be the kind of player who will take years to reach his potential, by which time the lure to go home may well be irresistible.
  3. Agree, I think if we were to split our pick 3, the Cats would probably be involved. On a pure swap of these picks: Melb pick 3 = 2,234 pts Geel picks 14 and 17 = 2,186 pts If it were to happen, might be some haggling over later picks to even the ledger.
  4. Good to catch up today, @Return to Glory With Burgess on board, top 4 next year, mate. You gotta believe! Enjoy Tokyo. If you can, visit an old haunt of mine, Inokashira Park. A welcome oasis in the concrete jungle.
  5. You continually impress me with your ingenuity (and absolute bloody mindedness) in including a derogatory remark about Lewis and/or his trade - no matter what the topic - in almost all of your posts (or at least the ones I happen to stumble across). As that trade fades more into the distance (already three years ago, mind you), I’m just wondering who your new whipping boy(s) for the next few years will be. Ah wait, Lever or Preuss?
  6. Well, as his dad mentioned in his Demonland interview, Billy actually played his best junior footy as an inside mid and was recruited as such. ANB in a similar boat, I dare say. With our glut of inside mids, both have had to change the way they play, to varying degrees of success. Comes back to the club’s laser-like focus over recent years on building the list from the ‘inside-out’. With the KK addition and current interest in Tomlinson and Langdon, it seems we have belatedly reached the ‘out’ phase of this list management strategy.
  7. Think poster is referring to Hibberd and Oliver as All-Australians
  8. Ben E

    Minor rant

    Some great learnings here. I’m in agreeance with all of it, at a high level. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to talk to the slide to get a more granular view.
  9. I just think it’s a rubbish argument that 99% of players hit their peak at 26 and don’t improve thereafter. That was the other poster’s claim. In fact, if one were to look at this a bit more closely and crunch the numbers, I wouldn’t be surprised if the best years for the majority of players (and you can apply this to top-line soccer, basketball and cricket players too) are actually when they are between 26-30. And I’m talking about performance here, not talent. Not saying Frosty is a superstar by any means, but I am saying his best years could be ahead of him.
  10. Um, no. Houli, Higgins, Hurn, Edwards, Ablett, L Jones, Hawkins, Burgoyne, K Simpson, R Henderson, Gawn and Betts immediately come to mind as players who improved - many of them quite a lot - after 26. Then there’s a batch of >26-year-old current-day champions whose peaks seem to last forever! Like Pendlebury, Fyfe, Dangerfield, Martin and Sidebottom.
  11. “Members will hear our learnings,” Gary and Glen say. And they will hear our yearnings. (‘learnings’ - sigh. And they used it twice!)
  12. Selfish, really? I must be watching a different game. Our leading tackler and contested ball winner for a few seasons now, the guy who wins us the ball more than any other and always tries to distribute it quickly to teammates in a better position. How much better would we be if we had a couple of class outside players for Oliver to feed the ball to? But we don’t, so I wish he were more selfish. I wish he held on to the pill longer instead of giving it off so fast. I wish he backed himself more and used his power and acceleration out of stoppages. I wish he lifted, rather than lowered, his eyes in congestion more, and used his disposal in a more incisive and direct way, with more metres gained. He tried a couple of spearing kicks into the corridor last night that didn’t come off and got down on himself - I hope the coaches would encourage more of that. Take risks, back yourself. Be arrogant with the ball. Aspire to the level of impact and ball use that Martin and Bontempelli so often display. Oliver is a special player for us already but is yet to reach his full potential.
  13. The Lions’ run and spread was bloody impressive in the last quarter and a half. And their pace. We simply couldn’t keep up in the end. We looked ‘heavy’, like in the pre-lim debacle. The Lions were gliding across the ground. The sooner we get Burgess (or someone of his ilk), the better. Gawn’s injury looked nasty at the time (happened right in front of us, with the Brisbane sun in our eyes). No doubt this hurt our ability to win stoppages and clearances (the key to our game). This didn’t change even when he was back on the field (why the risk?). The sooner Preuss comes in, the better. I’d really like to see us play two ruckmen - for good - with the big German given the licence to clean up blokes and intimidate, on top of his normal ruck/forward duties. I’m thinking a Jimmy/Strawbs-like combination from the class of 87-88, one of our best teams of the last 50-odd years. I admit he is one of my favourites, but I’m finding criticism of Clarry’s game last night hard to fathom. With the game slipping away, he was one of the few consistently winning the ball in close and in the air, and generally trying his guts out. Even Brisbane fans around us recognised his efforts. He, like Gawn, needs more support - both around the ball, and ahead of the ball. More Dees’ supporters than I expected were at the game and in good voice. We had the Lions’ fans - who were mostly a friendly bunch (despite, or perhaps because of, our seating in front of a large bar area) - worried there for a while. That was before their jovial and, in the end, slightly annoying chants of ‘Hippy’ drowned us all out.
  14. Good stuff. I might do a bit of roaming too, if things aren’t going our way!
  15. Sounds good, thanks for the info. Would have loved to get to the German Club (Weissbier is a particular favourite), but we’re arriving not long before start of game.
  16. @Demonland Heard you on podcast (Grinter interview was excellent by the way, brought back some fond and painful memories) saying you’re making the trip. Good timing with school holidays! As it turns out, I’ll be taking my brood, too. Never been to the Gabba. What’s it like for spectators (we’ll be on wing, ground level, I think)?
  17. To all those who think umpires don’t influence results (or that crowds don’t influence umpires’ decisions), please watch that last quarter. Utterly ridiculous. Most one-sided crap I’ve seen since, well, the Eagles’ last home game.
  18. The bloke is a gun and has a massive emphasis on maximising players’ running ability and aerobic capacity. Along with Hinkley, Richardson and Koch, played a major role in transforming Port from basket case to finals’ contender in one pre-season. No doubt he will be highly sought after by other clubs/codes if he’s coming back to Aus.
  19. I’ve been a big fan. We got him across with the 3-year carrot knowing full well that, on field, his third year would be a diminishing return. (I still would like him in the team to take kick-outs though, and was perplexed he wasn’t selected when Salem was a late out v Giants.) Leaving aside the off-field benefits he clearly has brought to the club, let’s not forget that we gave up next to nothing for him and, in his first two years as we rose up the ladder, he played 43 of a possible 47 games, finishing top 3, then top 10, in the B&F.
  20. I agree he played a part in changing that game, although he didn’t break his leg (that happened from a Hunt smother, I think). Lewis merely punched him as the Blues and Cripps were getting on top.
  21. I wasn’t commenting on Goodwin. I was commenting on North’s approach last night, which was utterly ferocious and the primary focus of their game last night, if you or anyone else cared to watch it. And Shaw used very specific language around attacking the man, not the ball - which I thought was interesting and instructive.
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