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Ben E last won the day on September 5 2018

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  1. Over-played or not, it’s real. Ask any of the clubs in the so-called non-football states, where player retention is and has been a huge issue. Look at the raft of concessions the AFL has given these clubs over the years to mitigate this risk, including granting GCS pick #2 this year so that two Vic-based best mates can stick together, support each other and stay at the club. As for the Demons, yes, Thomson and Hogan are indeed two great examples of MFC ‘high-end talent’ wanting to leave the club and go home. And, for many Dees’ supporters, their cases alone provide enough of a cautionary tale - and they should. Looking at the recruitment of our last 25 high draft picks (i.e. Round 1, priority and mini draft) over the past 20 years, Thomson and Hogan represent almost 30% (2 out of 7) of those taken from outside Victoria. All seven, and their outcomes, are listed below: 2000: S Thomson (SA) - went home, traded to Crows end of 2004 2002: D Bell (SA) - delisted end of 2010 2002: N Smith (SA) - delisted end of 2006 2007: C Morton (WA) - went home, traded to Eagles end of 2012 2009: J Trengove (SA) - delisted end of 2017 (picked up by Power as DFA) 2012: J Toumpas (SA) - went home, traded to Power end of 2015 2012: J Hogan (WA) - went home, traded to Dockers end of 2018 On the face of it, then, 5 of our 7 high draft picks from interstate since 2000 have ended up playing with a club in their home state. Now, I won’t claim that Morton, Trengove and Toumpas are the greatest examples of the go-home factor at work, but the other two, yes. And those two (Thomson and Hogan) just happen to be the best of the lot. MFC no doubt know all this (and more) and - it appears - are willing to take the risk with Jacko.
  2. I’d say more than a few. And don’t under-estimate the amount of time, effort and money clubs put into potential targets to come back to their home state. It’s a compelling selling point. The last three free agency / trade periods have included the following player movements, where one could easily argue the pull to go home played an important - perhaps the dominant - role in that player’s decision to move states: 2017: Schache, Weller, N Wilson, B Matera, Gibbs, Lever, Saad, C Cameron, D Smith, Ablett, B Ah Chee, J Trengove, Crozier 2018: Conca, T Lynch, Lycett, Newman, Shiel, Colyer, Hogan, Lobb, Mayes, Scully, Stengle, Scrimshaw, Setterfield, Hannebery, Rohan, Pittard 2019: Tomlinson, T Kelly, E Langdon, Betts, Patton, Howard, Z Smith, A Keath, T Cutler, Z Jones, A Bonar, Acres For me, the go-home factor (and why, by the way, should that exclude ‘significant family pull or circumstances’ - isn’t that what it’s all about?) is a legitimate concern to have with the recruitment of Jackson. And that’s not just because the Hogan experience is still fresh. Jackson, as talented as he is and as good as he may become, appears to be the kind of player who will take years to reach his potential, by which time the lure to go home may well be irresistible.
  3. Agree, I think if we were to split our pick 3, the Cats would probably be involved. On a pure swap of these picks: Melb pick 3 = 2,234 pts Geel picks 14 and 17 = 2,186 pts If it were to happen, might be some haggling over later picks to even the ledger.
  4. Good to catch up today, @Return to Glory With Burgess on board, top 4 next year, mate. You gotta believe! Enjoy Tokyo. If you can, visit an old haunt of mine, Inokashira Park. A welcome oasis in the concrete jungle.
  5. You continually impress me with your ingenuity (and absolute bloody mindedness) in including a derogatory remark about Lewis and/or his trade - no matter what the topic - in almost all of your posts (or at least the ones I happen to stumble across). As that trade fades more into the distance (already three years ago, mind you), I’m just wondering who your new whipping boy(s) for the next few years will be. Ah wait, Lever or Preuss?
  6. Well, as his dad mentioned in his Demonland interview, Billy actually played his best junior footy as an inside mid and was recruited as such. ANB in a similar boat, I dare say. With our glut of inside mids, both have had to change the way they play, to varying degrees of success. Comes back to the club’s laser-like focus over recent years on building the list from the ‘inside-out’. With the KK addition and current interest in Tomlinson and Langdon, it seems we have belatedly reached the ‘out’ phase of this list management strategy.
  7. Think poster is referring to Hibberd and Oliver as All-Australians
  8. Ben E

    Minor rant

    Some great learnings here. I’m in agreeance with all of it, at a high level. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to talk to the slide to get a more granular view.
  9. I just think it’s a rubbish argument that 99% of players hit their peak at 26 and don’t improve thereafter. That was the other poster’s claim. In fact, if one were to look at this a bit more closely and crunch the numbers, I wouldn’t be surprised if the best years for the majority of players (and you can apply this to top-line soccer, basketball and cricket players too) are actually when they are between 26-30. And I’m talking about performance here, not talent. Not saying Frosty is a superstar by any means, but I am saying his best years could be ahead of him.
  10. Um, no. Houli, Higgins, Hurn, Edwards, Ablett, L Jones, Hawkins, Burgoyne, K Simpson, R Henderson, Gawn and Betts immediately come to mind as players who improved - many of them quite a lot - after 26. Then there’s a batch of >26-year-old current-day champions whose peaks seem to last forever! Like Pendlebury, Fyfe, Dangerfield, Martin and Sidebottom.
  11. “Members will hear our learnings,” Gary and Glen say. And they will hear our yearnings. (‘learnings’ - sigh. And they used it twice!)
  12. Selfish, really? I must be watching a different game. Our leading tackler and contested ball winner for a few seasons now, the guy who wins us the ball more than any other and always tries to distribute it quickly to teammates in a better position. How much better would we be if we had a couple of class outside players for Oliver to feed the ball to? But we don’t, so I wish he were more selfish. I wish he held on to the pill longer instead of giving it off so fast. I wish he backed himself more and used his power and acceleration out of stoppages. I wish he lifted, rather than lowered, his eyes in congestion more, and used his disposal in a more incisive and direct way, with more metres gained. He tried a couple of spearing kicks into the corridor last night that didn’t come off and got down on himself - I hope the coaches would encourage more of that. Take risks, back yourself. Be arrogant with the ball. Aspire to the level of impact and ball use that Martin and Bontempelli so often display. Oliver is a special player for us already but is yet to reach his full potential.
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