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  1. 18 hours ago, phuket demon said:

    Every time I watch him play, even non dee games, he is an absolute gun. I have no idea why he was dropped for the best part of a season, but he always seems to kill it. Whats the knock on him? 

    Would be a massive upgrade on Oscar. Won't happen I know. 

    I was at the game in Sydney, so I had a front row seat, so to speak, about why.  He certainly has assets: tall, athletic and quick..., but he torches the ball.  

    In years gone past I remember when opposition sides were happy to sit off certain players to allow high possession numbers in the back half because they'd always turn it back over. He's in the same boat.

    I actually wanted him to get the ball because he would either a) dispose of it poorly leading to a turn over, b) sell a team mate into trouble leading to a turnover or c) would take off like a headless chook without considering who to give it to next.  I'm not sure what his DE% is, but i'd be surprised if it was higher than about 34%.  Also for a bloke his size I actually reckon (like a lot of defenders now) he has very little idea about when to mark and when to spoil.

  2. 7 minutes ago, A F said:

    I know as of July last year we were ranked #15th In the competition for scores from chains beginning in the forward half. Perhaps, this is a telling stat, but I think it might be skewed by the bombing, frenetic inside 50 play that saw us accumulate constant forward thrusts, off the back of our clearance dominance.



    Thanks A F, I think that is what Hinkley was probably referring to then.  Clearly this wasn't helped on the weekend with so many players underdone and out of gas towards the end of the game.

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  3. On 3/24/2019 at 9:54 PM, A F said:

    No, it's not the only measure. Corralling would be another (do Champion Data record this?). McDonald doesn't lay many tackles, I agree, but I think generally when we're playing well, our mids, half forward and small/tall forwards are laying tackles, as evidenced by being the best in the comp for inside 50 tackles.

    I think if you had to pick out one metric to measure forward pressure then turnovers would be probably it (though - again no single metric is likely to give you a complete answer).  Genuine question - do you know how we fared with Forward 50 turnovers last year?

  4. 1 hour ago, A F said:

    Yeah, which is not quite true, given we ranked #1 in the competition for tackles inside 50 in 2018. That's a furphy. Our work rate was down. Particularly, in the midfield, after the first quarter.

    Maybe,  is tackling inside the forward 50 was the only measure of defensive effort (it is certainly one indicator of work rate)?  

  5. May will definitely come in probably at the expense of Frost or Hore.  I think it's extremely unlikely KK will come in after a significant injury and only one run in the reserves. 

    It's hard to see too many other changes being made unless they decide to bring in Preuss or Keilty to give Max a chop out as he looked well below his best yesterday.  It may be an option with the smaller/narrower ground at Geelong.


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  6. 5 hours ago, Scoop Junior said:

    Having said that, it doesn't mean we don't need to improve our outside game (particularly with regards to our defensive spread in transition). We were poor at times in this area last year and have been again so far this year. Clearly teams have identified this as our weakness. But I wouldn't be changing our primary game plan focus on contested footy and winning it inside as season after season has shown that this is a successful formula.

    On the commentary they made mention of the fact that Hinkley had primed his side to take us on that we were underdone through the pre-season due to so many players having operations etc.  

    The most glaring deficiency yesterday was our defensive spread  and is definitely the result of not having a lot of outside speed.  It's why I can't see Jones being a long term option to play wing. another comment that caught my attention was Port's assessment that our forwards are poor defenders and that all Port needed to do was be patient with ball in hand and they would be able to find a way to move the ball out of defence.   For those that question why  ANB and Spargo keep getting games see above.  For those that think that when Garlett is fit his leg speed will see him back in the side, see above.   I think as others have already observed the one structural deficiency we have is a hardworking small that has both speed and a natural goal sense.  


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  7. 11 hours ago, Scoop Junior said:

    One of my favourite games - a narrow victory over the Blues at Optus Oval.

    James McDonald kicking that goal to bring us level which looked like it went through for a point.

    Garry Lyon laying a crunching tackle near the end.

    And a young blond ponytailed Nathan Brown making his debut.

    ND's first year and what a great year it was after a number of shocking seasons in the 90s.

    Absolutely should have been point, I was sitting just to the left of the goals and watched it go through. One of the few occasions I'd ever ventured to Princess Park with my best mate who is a Carlton supporter down from the country.  He was dumbfounded and I had a [censored] eating grin like a cheshire cat.  After copping stick all day from him about Craig Smoker I was happy to keep reminding him how 'unlucky' Carlton were!

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  8. 49 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    Yes, 'weird' manoeuverings! 

    To add to the Lyons intrigue, I just saw this:  "He was in exclusive company this year with Brownlow medallist Tom Mitchell, Patrick Cripps and new teammate Lachie Neale as the only players to average at least 24 disposals, 13 contested possessions and seven clearances...and part of why some industry figures AFL.com.au spoke to were so taken aback.  One called Gold Coast's decision "mind blowing", while another said "I'd have him in a heartbeat".  Lyons to Brisbane

    I can see why GCS no longer believed in him but to let a contracted and seemingly good player go, without testing his trade value, for zero return is mind-boggling, to say the least! 

    As you say - watch this space to see what future trades bring.

    I actually don’t think it’s that weird.  If you read between the lines there’s clearly a number of reasons why he was delisted by the Suns.

    1. It seems clear he has no defensive aspect to his game - or an unwillingness to follow the game plan at any rate (you would think that as a senior player this might not go down well with the FD - think Lynden Dunn)

    2. Despite getting a lot of the ball he butchers it.

    3. We know the Suns were having a salary squeeze and the article alludes to the fact he was on good coin.  He would have been happy to be delisted I suspect to pick up a three year contract now rather than the uncertainty of what sort of contract he could get after running around in the NEAFL for twelve months.

    4.  It’s highly likely their crosstown rivals knew this - so why trade for him if you don’t have to.


    The Suns win because they free up salary cap space at the same time as moving on a senior player who chooses to run his own race rather than follow team rules.

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  9. 2 minutes ago, A F said:

    Rather than looking at who becomes a FA in 2019, it might be better looking across the competition at who becomes one in 2020. Clubs who cannot get those FA's to sign by the end of next season will look to trade ala Hogan, May, Shiel etc.

    Does anyone have a list of those who become FAs in 2020?


    Josh Kelly.

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  10. 16 minutes ago, Redleg said:

    From the AFL site,   How is it not Draft Tampering?

    PORT Adelaide has fired a warning shot at Gold Coast, declaring it would back itself to lure highly rated draftees Jack Lukosius or Izak Rankine back home if the Suns recruit either of them. 

    Port list manager Jason Cripps effectively cautioned the Suns against taking either of them when speaking to NAB AFL Trade Radio on Monday.

    Gold Coast either have to back themselves in to keep whoever they draft or are resigned to losing them.    

    Cripps is being more than a little disengenuous to suggest that they should draft a Vic because there’s a bigger market to go home to. Players now inevitably get to go to a club of their choosing.

    He sounds like a playground bully, it also smacks a little of desperation over the fact that they might miss out on one of the SA kids. 


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  11. 5 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

    I feel like a filthy pirate after reading that. “Stand there ground and walk away”, uhhm huh? 

    It doesn't ring true though.  Why put out a public statement about 'due diligence' and imply that there's a problem with the merchandise - when it's actually the price you want to pay. i.e. you're happy to take the merchandise, but this is about being a small man in a big person's world and needing to 'bend 'em over'?



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  12. 8 hours ago, Nasher said:

    Ahh, here we go. The poster who knows eff all during the year, then at trade time, suddenly knows every intimate detail that gets discussed in the FD, right at the moment that you could probably just assemble all the rumours and take a wild stab and get to the same conclusion. Add a dash of “trust me, this is rock solid” and there you have it. 

    The only surprising thing is that it’s taken over 300 pages of this thread for him to turn up.

    But he says it with such conviction Nash, and we're only really looking to confirm our own bias in this thing after all.

     I choose to believe in aliens living amongst us - Jesse Hogan is an alien - there I said it!

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  13. 55 minutes ago, Pates said:

    This supposed Gold Coast trade I suspect is a load of 💩. His only reason for requesting a trade was homesickness and we were dealing with May for a possible deal following Hogan’s move west. He will not go to the Gold Coast. 

    The only possible way I see Jesse in Freo colours is that if another club gets involved in order to satisfy our desire for picks/May (GC could be involved as one of the clubs). But for now I’m assuming Jesse will continue being a Demon and we have every right to tell Freo to bugger off with any negotiations. 

    Is it though?  When I first saw it I thought it was pretty far-fetched, but it could have some substance, particularly if the real issue isn't homesickness. We have all conveniently fallen for that reasoning, but do we know it's true?

    With our list, it's unlikely Jesse could maximise his earnings like he could at either Freo or GCS.  The Suns may offer him  6 mil over 5 years if May leaves and they load the contract appropriately (apparently the Freo offer is 4.5 mil over 5 years).  God knows with the loss of Ablett and now Lynch they need some sort of drawcard to get the few fans they have to turn up to home games, it ain't going to be Lachie Weller.

    All this may or may not tempt Hogan (no pun intended), but I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility. 

     I could completely understand if Jesse and his manager may not want to ever speak to Freo again after what's gone on (again based on the assumption they were blind-sided by their churlish tactics the way everyone else was)

  14. 5 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    The media is pushing the line that "GCS will get a top 3 pick for May as an FA next year so a trade should be a top 5 pick".  GCS are making noises for a high pick but are they really committed to that? 

    They know that if they push that line too hard they are admitting there will be no improvement at GCS next year.  ie No Hope!  That makes for a tough sell to the AFL, sponsors, members, draftees and potential trades.

    When it gets down to the wire they might just accept a lower pick or a combo of picks and players as they must set up to improve in 2019 and a top 5 pick, 18 yo kid is not going to do that.  . 

    Yep, and conveniently ignore that if they get a top 3 pick for him next year it will be from the AFL and not the club he goes to and also because they've stunk it up for another year.   They are conflating issues.  GCS do not want May at the club if he won't commit long term which he won't ergo they have to trade him for less than what they would get from the AFL next year.

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  15. 47 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

    4 & 5 is too high for Hogan. Freo will strongly consider taking those picks to the super draft if we refuse to budge on that opening gambit.

    I think  the draft picks are arbitrary to a certain point in that pick 4 in one draft isn't equal to pick 4 in another. I think all that matters to the club will be for it to get what it needs to get the outcomes it wants ( May, KK and something else)


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