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  1. 12 points
    If we take Parish over Oliver we don't get near finals If Smith and Spencer don't get injured against Richmond we probably win and play finals If St Kilda took Trac instead of Mccartin we struggle to win QB It's full of what ifs Thank god the FD looks forward not back
  2. 6 points
    Bucky's thoughts from the Hun: BUCKENARA SAYS: In my Melbourne list analysis column for the Herald Sun during the trade period I wrote the Demons needed a small forward to help Jeff Garlett and they’ve got that in Charlie Spargo. He can play through the midfield but I think his position at AFL level will be as a small forward who loves to tackle and pressure the opposition. I really like the selection of Harrison Petty. I had him rated at 22 in my top 50 so to get a potential key defender of his quality at 37 great value. He reads the ball really well in flight. The Demons have a bit of a history of taking mature-age players out of second-tier competitions and they’ve done it again with Bayley Fritsch who kicked 42 goals for Casey this year. Melbourne also need some more outside pace and they get that with Oskar Baker. THE VERDICT: Melbourne came into the draft last at pick No.29 but would have walked away pretty happy. They’ve addressed list needs so that’s a tick from me.
  3. 5 points
    SIMON GOODWIN’S SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKS by Whispering Jack Melbourne’s selections during the 2017 AFL Trade Period and at the National Draft bear the imprimatur of Simon Goodwin and clearly demonstrate the direction in which the club’s head coach intends taking the club into the future. To be clear, the final decision as to which player was taken with any given selection was made on draft night by national recruiting manager Jason Taylor but the direction was laid out by the coach and his coaching panel. The emphasis is firstly on players with pace, good skills, especially in terms of disposal and decision-making and most importantly, on character and competitive instincts. And in the main, the club’s recruits are not the sort players who have been given an easy ride into the elite level of the sport or on a silver platter but rather, they’ve done it the hard way. Jake Lever spent his draft year recovering from ACL surgery and was forced to watch from the sidelines as his Calder Cannons and Vic Metro teammates went through an entire season in the hope of catching the eye of an AFL selector. It’s well documented how hard he worked on his rehabilitation and that he used that time to learn as much as he could about the game from being around his club. Harley Balic came out of the same TAC system but a serious wrist injury that required surgery followed by bouts of homesickness and a hamstring tear which soured his time with Fremantle but it’s clear that commitment to improving his game never wavered. Melbourne’s selections at Friday’s draft meeting in Sydney were - Round Two: 29 Melbourne – Charlie Spargo (Murray Bushrangers/Allies) 31 Melbourne – Bailey Fritsch (Casey Demons/VFL) 37 Melbourne – Harrison Petty (Norwood/South Adelaide) Round Three: 48 Melbourne – Oskar Baker (Aspley/Queensland) Twelve months ago, the diminutive Spargo who hails from a strong footballing and professional athletics background going all the way back to great-grandfather Bob Snr. appeared headed towards the Giants via their Academy but the AFL changed the GWS zone and he became available to all comers and would have been a top ten pick but for a shoulder injury that kept him from producing yet another consistent season in junior ranks. Fritsch was considered too slight of build to get into TAC Cup ranks but his perseverance with local club Coldstream finally earned him an invitation to play at Casey. After two injury-riddled seasons he had a standout 2017 to win the Fothergill-Round Medal - the VFL equivalent of the rising star award. Harrison Petty wasn't really on the radar as far as many SA judges were concerned earlier this year but a superb national championships saw him win All Australian status and an MVP for his state. Oskar Baker was dropped off the list at the Brisbane Lions Academy so he walked into NEAFL club Apsley where he was given a rookie position at the start of 2017. He took his opportunities there, made the senior team and starred kicking the goal of the year and producing some breathtaking football. The commmon thread among the four Demon recruits from this draft is hard work, competitiveness, pace and good disposal skills. It won't be easy for any of them to break into the AFL straight away but the fact that they have all come through the school of hard knocks should hold them in good stead.
  4. 5 points
    Some BF profiles of Chugga... https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/snoop-dog-2018-phantom-draft-incl-rookie.1182255/ https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2017-draft-almanac.1161261/ https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-official-big-footy-phantom-draft.1181789/ https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/young-talent-time-2017.1161935/
  5. 5 points
    This year’s NAB AFL Pre-season and Rookie Drafts will be held tomorrow. The Demons currently have no vacancies on either their primary or rookie lists and will not be taking part in either of the drafts but the opportunity still remains for them to secure additional players from certain avenues through signing them as Category B rookies. The AFL rules allows clubs to add up to three players in this category. The player in question must be one who: • has not registered in an Australian Football competition for three years immediately before inclusion on the Rookie List; • is an international player, meaning he is not an Australian citizen and has not lived in Australia for a substantial period; • is a former NSW Scholarship player with that club; • is a former International Scholarship player with that club; or • is a rookie Zone Selection for clubs based in NSW or Queensland. Clubs can list one Irish player as a Category B rookie but for each additional Irish player rookie listed, that player will be deemed to be a Category A rookie. Clubs can list players as Category B rookies from the AFL's indigenous and multicultural academies if they were overlooked in the drafts. The club’s last two Category B rookies were former basketballers Joel Smith and Corey Maynard but both have been elevated, the former straight into the primary list while the latter is now a Category A rookie. Maynard’s recent rookie elevation to leave the club without players on the B list has raised some speculation as to whether the club has some further prospects in mind for future selection - perhaps a player from another sport or from the indigenous or multicultural fields. There have been no indications to date but let’s see what happens.
  6. 4 points
    Ummm, aside from their height - those are two very different players...
  7. 4 points
    And now ... the family connection. Charlie Spargo’s great grandfather Bob Spargo Senior played with the Melbourne Football Club, although it was just for two games during WW2. Bob Snr. stood at 175cm and weighed 69kgs. He played most of his career with Footscray (1934-41) before moving to the Demons in the twilight of his career in 1942. He was a professional athlete who finished third in two Stawell Gifts (1936 & 40). His sons Bob Jnr. and Ricky also represented the Bulldogs and the latter was fifth in the 1974 Stawell Gift. Bob Jnr. played in the team's 1961 Grand Final loss to Hawthorn. Bob Jr's son Paul Spargo played 81 games with North Melbourne and 9 with the Brisbane Bears. During his time with the Kangaroos he was a teammate of Mark Brayshaw, father of our own Angus Brayshaw. He was an assistant coach at Richmond for a while and had a great record coaching in the Ovens & Murray Football League with involvement in multiple premierships. Paul Spargo is Charlie's father. With a great pedigree in football and foot racing, Charlie had a fantastic junior career and two years ago was outstanding in the national carnival. A year ago, he was one of the most highly ranked of the country's draft prospects and headed for a possible top ten selection until shoulder surgery curtailed his season. Don't let his size fool you - Charlie Spargo can play and it's in his blood.
  8. 3 points
    Let me simplify it for you... Maybe none of these players are good enough. The FD would seem to think that's the case. We don't need more list cloggers but we can develop quality for our own needs and for future trade bait. You are looking at things in a very one dimensional way and we are far from done and locked out of trading or drafting in 2018...
  9. 3 points
    I see people are including Pedersen in their teams. If we're fit and healthy I'll be shocked highly surprised if Pedersen is playing AFL.
  10. 3 points
    Goodwin seems to value ruthless desire and competitiveness. Oliver, Viney, Hibberd, Lewis, Lever, Hunt, ANB, Jonesy, Brayshaw Jetta and more. The draft picks seem to fit the mould and Spargo in particular looks a likely type, if he can handle the physical side of it. Building a strong group with a ‘win every week’ attitude. A few less injuries and a bit of luck and we will be trouble for anybody IMO.
  11. 3 points
    I would have thought, with the recent success of some smaller players, that we wouldn't be so negative towards a players height. Let's give the kid a chance and a few pre-seasons before we start judging him purely on how tall or short he is.
  12. 2 points
    Trading for a star player affected the moves we could make in the draft but with two kids and a couple of boys who have played some senior footy at a decent level at least we have provided the current team with some more options. It is definitely true that improvement comes from the players you have - Lever will make that a rule excepted. Fritsch, Balic and Baker will provide some competition for spots in the bottom 6 of the team in 2018 and that will be valuable assuming our best players are fit and healthy.
  13. 2 points
    We haven't played finals for a decade mate. Question everything the football dept do. If Goodwin plays Pederson early last year ahead of Spencer and Tim Smith, we play finals. If Taylor calls out Charlie Curnow instead of Sam Wiedeman a couple of years back, we play finals. They are not always right. Too many sycophants on here.
  14. 2 points
    I reckon it is because 99% of posters have no idea about the draft crop, so they just look at the things they can easily digest, like someone's height. I wouldn't read anything into what most posters say about the draft.
  15. 2 points
    Hogans forward pressure is non existant, and easily the weakest part of his game. He is Russell Robertson like in his ability to give up on a contest once he has lost the ball. I remember someone saying that Tom McDonald was a major underachiever in this area last year also. With these two guys forming our starting key forwards, we have a lot of ground to make up to catch the leading sides. If only our blokes could get it through their heads that we have some amazing ground ball players in the forward line, who can carve sides up if given repeated opportunities to get their hands on the ball. Hannan, Garlett Petracca and Neal_Bullen have great goal sense, both in scoring, and score assists. Just a handful of extra opportunities per game could change our ladder position dramatically. I think this might be one of the attractions with Weideman, as he shows a willingness to throw his body into defensive situations.
  16. 2 points
    This is the key ingredient to the last two flag winners' success. Hogan and TMac are the talls, with Hannan, Petracca and a Spargo providing forward pressure. I'd consider moving Hunt forward at times again too. His pace and marking overhead are handy and as Richmond's smalls showed, if you work hard, tackle and tackle, and work to keep the ball in a dangerous area, you will eventually get just reward for your toils. One of the major deficiencies of Hogan's game I'd be looking to rectify over the off season is his inability to lay tackles or chase. He needs to build his tank and improve like that pill Riewoldt did. TMac has enough aerobic capacity to put enough pressure on too. Another pre season with Petracca will also hopefully see him improve in this pressure area. If our forwards can lock the ball in better and our backs can repel consistently (Lever helps in this regard enormously), we will finish top 4. Our midfield (with a fit Gawn) is dominant enough to beat any opposition. And if our forward pressure improves and Lever continues intercepting everything in sight, we really don't have many weaknesses.
  17. 2 points
    Probably 30 years ago a player who was less than 178 cm (5 foot 10 inches) and less than 78 kg would not get a look in at AFL clubs because they were considered to be too small but last 2 years the mindset has changed by coaches and smaller players who put on tackle pressure and dispose of the ball well have become the norm not the exception. Both Richmond and Western Bulldogs have created the current trend with smaller quick players playing a roll in the forward line where tackling pressure has allow the ball to remain in the forward half putting pressure on the defenders to make mistakes which result in scoring opportunities. I am not saying Spargo will make it or not but the Football Department has selected him and we should back their judgement for the time being before criticizing them. If you were told that Charlie Spargo was a top 5 - 10 selection before you knew how tall he was you would compliment the Football Department on their astute selection.
  18. 2 points
  19. 2 points
    I spoke to someone who is quite involved with talent scouting particularly up in the north east vic area and he said to me Charlie has every attribute of a top 5-10 pick but his height drops him down. I think he'll be a great addition to our forward ranks.
  20. 2 points
    Agreed....however in order to keep the associated poker machines ( and licenses) you have to transfer them to somewhere in the geographical boundaries specified by the Govt ( Gaming authority), or you lose them. So you need to buy something else close which will generate similar traffic, or the exercise is pointless. Bottom line is that you will need $20M+ to do all of this sort of thing, and the proposals in this thread to date about how to make more money are simply chicken feed. It takes time to build the necessary capital to engage in any serious money making ventures, and that's not the aim of football clubs....it's to win football games. Occasionally and opportunity arises and if the right people are in charge something can be achieved. Ian Dicker at Hawthorn, Joseph Gutnick at Melbourne, Paul Little at Essendon, Frank Costa at Geelong and Bruce Matthieson at Carlton, all put in substantial amounts of their own money to create external revenue sources for their respective clubs. That then creates the genuine continuous cash flow to help the on-field activities.
  21. 2 points
  22. 2 points
    As long as they are all competitive beasts, bring their own skillset to the team and make competition for spots fierce we should be happy. They are part of the MFC family now and good luck to them, hopefully a couple of them surprise us in the upcoming season.
  23. 2 points
    One the whole - yes, I am, although as with anything only time will tell. What I do like is that the club was able to fill a few gaps on our list - Spargo and Baker gives us some pace, Fritsch is the forward to replace Watts (not direct replacement, but you get my drift), while Petty will either develop nicely at Casey or replace someone in our backline as we send Tom McDonald forward. The only slight gripe, if I could call it that, is that we didn't take a ruckman. We must be happy with how King is tracking with Pedersen and McDonald able to fill in where needed. I'm happy to back them on that one. Edit - we also need to remember that we effectively got Lever as our first round pick, while we got Balic in the fourth round as well. We did everything we needed to do.
  24. 2 points
    Welcome back DA, missed you on the boards. Hope you’re doing ok
  25. 2 points
    Check out WJ's 2017 draft prospects thread from last year. Few concerns that GWS would get a top-five pick because he was in their academy at the time. Our own Chelly had him going at one!
  26. 2 points
    I find it amusing how Taylor looks like he has just had a wisdom tooth pulled after every pick. He actually looks sick. He is the master of the deadpan. While some clubs nearly do handstands on the table after picking a player, Taylor looks like he is about to be tortured. He certainly gives nothing away.
  27. 2 points
    2 members of the Wilburys. It will be the end of the line for opposition key forwards. He'll handle them with care.
  28. 2 points
    I know the stats have him at 172cm but he plays like 174cm. So that's a win.
  29. 2 points
    Tomorrow will be draft number 34. Here are games averages for various draft picks. Picks 20-28 Ave games played = 58.3 Picks 29-37 Ave games played = 59.5 (Melb picks 29, 31, 36) Picks 38-46 Ave games played = 53.7 (Melb pick 46) Effectively we could have picks 20, 21, 22 and 23 (ave games 56). Statistically at least there seems to be bit of a lucky dip after the first round. Given that we now have a recruiting team who know what they are doing you would we should end up with at least a couple of very handy players. Get excited about tomorrow!! PS. Favourite stat is pick 53 that gave us both Tom and Oscar McDonald (whose combined jumper numbers equals 53) averages ............... wait for it ............. 53 games.
  30. 2 points
    Power and Gas Bills are going to get all my extra money from Jan 1st
  31. 2 points
    Absolutely nothing. Sorry. They are a commercial entity not a charity. I await the howls.
  32. 1 point
    Have been watching the third season of Ballers which focuses on the pursuit of a team for Las Vegas. Some serious money in that sport but I had not appreciated how much This little snippet from the Washington Post on my Redskins. According to Forbes magazine’s 2017 valuation of sports franchises, the Redskins are worth $3.1 billion — trailing only the Dallas Cowboys, New England Patriots and New York Giants. Redskins owner Daniel Snyder and his partners bought the team in 1999 for roughly $800 million. Snyder also owns FedEx Field, which is expected to be replaced in the next decade https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/11/24/redskins-call-threadbare-condition-of-fedex-field-a-non-issue/
  33. 1 point
    Yeh I don't see much point in dropping Renshaw either. He's been quite reliable so far. Seems to have a good head on his shoulders for a young bloke. It will be interesting if the selectors are willing to drop anyone else if they have some scratchy form. Probably more benefit with your idea of Bancroft at 6 I'd agree.
  34. 1 point
  35. 1 point
    Lever, Gawn & Oliver make the AA team. Hogan, Viney, Hibberd and Petracca make the squad. We finish top 4, don't want to mention the P word but... Kochie blasts Hinkley and the FD for Port's disastrous scattergun recruiting campaign, falls short of blaming Watts for the whole fiasco. Richmond have injury woes and miss finals. Buckley gets sack and Eddie stands down after more disastrous off field moves. The AFL muddle their way through another off field crisis after Dill assesses which way the wind is blowing...man of principle, organisation of the highest integrity.
  36. 1 point
    Astute with a little inside intel - Todd's nephew was a teammate of Petty's this season.
  37. 1 point
  38. 1 point
    Jones is 29 and has the fitness and skill to transition to an outside role. A couple of injuries won't change my mind on that. Vince won't be missed if he rarely plays this year, Joel Smith and Lever - different players sure - can replace his backine games. Or Lewis moves to half back and Stretch plays on the wing. Lewis will be clinging to his spot in the side for one more year, that's fine. Pretty much we are phasing out Vince for now and putting in Lever. Phasing out Lewis next year and there's a raft of players ready to replace him - Spargo could play half forward, Melksham on a wing in 2019, easy. I don't know how Tom Mc will go as a forward but it's increasingly clear he's done as a defender. Oscar and Frost have played games out of necessity. They were good enough to move Dunn on but that's about it, a healthy Garland might've played at times if available. Look at the best and fairest rankings to see the coaches thoughts. Keilty - I don't mind him - but there's nothing to suggest he's a permanent AFL player so far. Right as we sit there's more chance he's delisted than promoted in 12 months and I don't mean that to be harsh, that's the reality for mature age tall pick ups, they have to dominate at VFL and get games to stay on. I actually think Keilty's best value would be as a Pedersen swing man rather than ever being best 22 anyway. There was no reason to play Fritsch in the midfield at Casey. He was their most consistent path to goal and developing well. The Dogs did the same thing with Hannan, hid him in a forward pocket until he was drafted. Hannan clearly has something to offer up the ground at AFL level. By all reports Fristch has excellent endurance and a lovely kick, so moving him to the wing or half back has to be an option and doesn't require a massive bulking up. Petrucelle looks like a forward to me. Too shonky a kick to play midfield until you've done years of work there. Express pace for pressuring would be nice but I'd go for ability to kick and mark more. Worpel seemed a nice player but has to be in the contest, either at half back or on ball. Would he dislodge any of our inside mids? I'll stick with Viney, Oliver, Petracca, Tyson and Brayshaw over Worpel.
  39. 1 point
    What is the difference? ” I gamble with this money that i will make more..” that is the bottom line. The vehicle of this exchange is immaterial...
  40. 1 point
    Great story on MFC Website about young Oskar. Had to overcome adversity. I like his style to take on the game with his pace. Don’t be surprised if the ginger ninja gets a spot in the team in early rounds of 2018.
  41. 1 point
    Wow, 12 months of work by the recruiters results in us reading out the name of a midget with bad shoulders with our first pick. This ought to end well.
  42. 1 point
    I was a fan of Constable but on reflection, the knocks on him (disposal, lack of run) probably rule him out if the emphasis is on fast, clean and efficient movement of the footy. Hes still a good player but ...
  43. 1 point
    FB: Jetta Frost Hibberd HB: Brayshaw Lever Salem C: Hunt Oliver ANB HF: Petracca Hogan Melksham FF: Garlett T. McDonald Hannan Foll: Gawn Viney Jones Int: Lewis Pedersen Vince Tyson
  44. 1 point
    Could've had him at 37 if West Coast were scared off as well. Unfortunately the talks of substances, nights out and defects only made them keener.
  45. 1 point
    Competitor without the ball. Good evasive skills and vision with the ball means quick and quality decisions. That's a nice combination. More of a midfielder than a speedy crumber but as defenders get quicker I don't think pure speed is going to run them down all that often. I like the pick and I think he'll be a player.
  46. 1 point
    Size is no longer a disadvantage in this game. Because players can no longer are not supposed to dive on the ball, it means they have to bend down and pick it up (mostly that is what happens). Smaller players do not have to expose their neck, they are mostly already there at the ball. They don't have to bend down as much (so they should be able to get the ball quicker). They just have to watch out for the hip and shoulder - which is practically outlawed. I watch Caleb Daniel make a mockery of his opposition. And if you watch Daniel he basically scoops the ball up with absolute ease, his low centre of gravity means that he is also very evasive, and strong through the core. Small players have advantages if they know how to use them. If this kid can play he is a good pick up.
  47. 1 point
    Hard to compare apples to apples in the AFL. Pies made an operating profit of $1.65M before writing down the Glasshouse and renovations at the Holden Centre. Turnover is king in AFL in the sense that a non profit has little interest in generating large reporting profits. Even turnover is skewed in the sense that turnover which includes pokies delivers a lot lower return on revenue albeit a guaranteed revenue. Would love the numbers people to pull apart club finances like some pull apart playing lists etc. As a student of balance sheets the fun is always in the notes to the accounts. Then of course there are assets like Collingwood have in the form of the Glasshouse that are great football centres but don't produce much revenue as compared to say the Bentleigh Club owned by the MFC. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-24/black-and-white-in-the-red-as-pies-lose-27m
  48. 1 point
    The only reason he’ll slide that far will be because of his recent health condition that clubs are now aware of. Based on his talent alone, I can’t see how he’d last to our first pick and if he did, we’d have to take him.
  49. 1 point
    If that doesn't do it, how about Ginger Baker after the famous drummer from Cream?
  50. 1 point
    Correction required for Essendon. A couple of delisted players are in the "In" rather than the "Out" column. Having looked through that whole list I'm pleasantly surprised at the number of potentially viable draft picks (nominally picks below 40) we have compared with many other teams.
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