POST MATCH DISCUSSION: Melbourne vs Richmond - JLT 01

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

5 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

My standpoint is this ...

TMAC doesn't need to press for a round 1 slot - he will have it.

TMAC is pragmatic as [censored]

TMAC understands JLT is meaningless

TMAC don't give a damn about Rance and having to prove himself....

TMAC has a friend called Pruess, who will ragdoll Rance for the entire first half next time they meet.

[DV8 2,271]

20 hours ago, pineapple dee said:

It's glorified dwarf tossing. No problems with that tackle.

But, tossing Dwarfs in not allowed... or at least it wasn't,  when the last Pope went into the Woods. ?

[DV8 2,271]

10 hours ago, america de cali said:

Trying to think of a suitable Batman villain moniker for Pruess. Given his size he must be King Tut. 

He appears more Christian, Pet...   than a Preussian.

Not dark enough to be middle eastern, imo.

Edited March 4, 2019 by DV8

[58er 5,607]

7 hours ago, hemingway said:

I think at times, you need to look beyond statistics and see what other attributes a player brings to the game. 

Hunt and Spargo are two such players, They have deficits  and disposal is certainly one. However, I would rather see players have a real crack and who are always running and chasing or at the contest, irrespective of the score line or tempo of the game. 

These two guys play with a passion for the contest that many others don't. And as I said somewhere else, you can see that these guys lift and inspire others. They are natural competitors who don't overthink situations or drop their bundle.  I was watching Spargo and whilst he had few possessions he was always running, chasing, giving opponents a bit of lip and hip, and chasing a Tiger over the boundary line. 

I would have these guys in the side over more polished but less committed players.  They have the X factor. 

Sorry I believe Spargs disposal is pretty good and agree with your comment in principle.

[DV8 2,271]

10 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I wasn't impressed with Hunt's game and it was a step backwards from last week.

Yes, he laid a brilliant tackle that Goodwin would've loved, but he did not provide even one dash from half back which is his point of difference as a player. Just an ineffective and nothing game from him.

It would not surprise me if Hunty needs most of the season at Casey to get ontop of his ball use issues.  Last year was lost, for him to learn and develop, imo.

It might take him another footy season to develop further ?

[bing181 8,151]

28 minutes ago, DV8 said:

It would not surprise me if Hunty needs most of the season at Casey to get ontop of his ball use issues.  Last year was lost, for him to learn and develop, imo.

It might take him another footy season to develop further ?

Hunt could be great for us if we could find a position for him where he didn't have to make decisions. But I fear that those days are gone.

[tiers 2,761]

Spargo's vision,  choices and disposal in close over relatively short distances are first class. He is able to create good opportunities for team mates.He also positions himself well to receive.

Hunt's strengths are his ball winning ability, his speed to carry the ball and his long kicking. He is the territory man who has the potential to rate highly on the "metres gained" (another affectation of the statisticians and dumb commentators). Trying to convert him into a Salem clone will be counterproductive. All the forwards need to do is spread - the ball will fall near one of them. Frost is another who could prosper in this role.

[Demon Dude 425]

27 minutes ago, tiers said:

Spargo's vision,  choices and disposal in close over relatively short distances are first class. He is able to create good opportunities for team mates.He also positions himself well to receive.

Hunt's strengths are his ball winning ability, his speed to carry the ball and his long kicking. He is the territory man who has the potential to rate highly on the "metres gained" (another affectation of the statisticians and dumb commentators). Trying to convert him into a Salem clone will be counterproductive. All the forwards need to do is spread - the ball will fall near one of them. Frost is another who could prosper in this role.

but as a defender I don't think Hunt does win enough of his own ball, that's the problem. when he had his breakout year he was going hard in the contest and defending strongly. now he seems to want to give his opponent a bit of space so he can also have space to receive the ball and run, and his strength in the contest isn't there either. 3 contested possessions and 7 uncontested in JLT1. he's a bit too one dimensional these days imo.

[tiers 2,761]

Is it possible that Hunt's positioning is dictated by the coach? Could they be trying a thing or two?

Let's not be so hasty to criticise. At his best, Hunt is a weapon and we should encourage him to find his way back.

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

14 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

Didn’t watch Kyrgios this eeekend then? ?

NO, I DID NOT! Proves my theory once again.

[BAMF 3,787]

59 minutes ago, tiers said:

Is it possible that Hunt's positioning is dictated by the coach? Could they be trying a thing or two?

Let's not be so hasty to criticise. At his best, Hunt is a weapon and we should encourage him to find his way back.

The problem is that his greatest strength is not in the game plan. A lot of posters point out how we lack players who can break the line with pace and carry the ball. Its not what we do.

We take possession and move the ball quickly by hand or foot. We bounced the ball an average of 4 times per game last year. Essendon were the clear leaders with 12, Richmond second with 8.5.

Most of the time he runs his measure and needa to bang it onto his boot. It looks great when it comes off, but usually allows the defenders enough time to get in a good position.

[binman 37,873]

8 hours ago, ding said:

After having a read through this thread, most of what i was going to say has been covered. I found that standing behind the goals meant that you miss a lot more than you could see on TV. Especially when the ball was mostly at the Tigers scoring end for so long, and i chose to be at our end. Oh well.

The main points to stand out for me from the game were, in no particular 

*Clarry and Angus are Manna from heaven. Ball magnets both, although Brayshaw needs to clean up his disposal on the left foot.

 

Is that hassa manna?

[58er 5,607]

3 hours ago, DV8 said:

It would not surprise me if Hunty needs most of the season at Casey to get ontop of his ball use issues.  Last year was lost, for him to learn and develop, imo.

It might take him another footy season to develop further ?

That's contrary to his pre season so far which has been great Sunday didn't ruin that.  He still might make Round 1 as we need pace from half back urgently.

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, 58er said:

That's contrary to his pre season so far which has been great Sunday didn't ruin that.  He still might make Round 1 as we need pace from half back urgently.

Yes I agree...  that its contrary to some early practice match reports to say that...  but I put more store on where he's coming from,  than an intra-club friendly hitout.

As I said... It would not surprise me,  'IF' it does.

[WERRIDEE 5,206]

22 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

Hell no, if he can't beat an unknown ruckman, then he is no chance of getting a game. Today was his chance to shine and he let is slip. VFL.

 

 

 

Pruess will be better with Gawn in the side he was excellent against the Pies. Nankervis isn't an unknown he's a premiership ruckman.

[BAMF 3,787]

40 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Pruess will be better with Gawn in the side he was excellent against the Pies. Nankervis isn't an unknown he's a premiership ruckman.

He didn't play on Nankervis. Nankervis played as a forward. Preuss was matched up against Ivan Soldo.

[WERRIDEE 5,206]

6 minutes ago, BAMF said:

He didn't play on Nankervis. Nankervis played as a forward. Preuss was matched up against Ivan Soldo.

He played on both and still got more hit outs than Soldo.

[low flying Robbo 979]

19 hours ago, Damo said:

In watching Weids I was impressed that his opposition seemingly just stepped in front of him and held his place while the ball was coming down but not in the 5 metre exclusion. There was probably more to it. This effectively stopped his 2 step launch at the pack. Even the 1st time I realised the Tigers had put work into not letting him approach on his own terms without giving away a free. But the whistle must have been close to the mouth.

When the ball is sent in quickly and he's getting blocked while someone else is going for the mark, i reckon he needs to back up a bit and then take a run up to try and mark. This would make the block much more obvious

[Gunna’s 1,782]

11 hours ago, DV8 said:

He appears more Christian, Pet...   than a Preussian.

Not dark enough to be middle eastern, imo.

Saw in the game day thread that someone called him BP. So along the villain moniker it lead to Mario’s nemesis:

Brayden Pruess > BP > Fuel Bowser > Bowser 

 

[Demon Dude 425]

12 hours ago, tiers said:

Is it possible that Hunt's positioning is dictated by the coach? Could they be trying a thing or two?

Let's not be so hasty to criticise. At his best, Hunt is a weapon and we should encourage him to find his way back.

my criticism of Hunt is based on the way he's been playing for the last 18 months, not just the JLT match. 

[Watts the matter 1,235]

9 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

He played on both and still got more hit outs than Soldo.

He did not play on Nankervis, he was matched up against Soldo and Balta. Considering he is going to be a liability up forward, he needs to  offer more than just competing when it's his turn in the ruck.

To say he was excellent against the Pies, is a huge stretch. He showed a few encouraging signs, but his lack of mobility was on display in that encoutner. 

We will give him another go this week, but I highly doubt Goodwin has him penciled in for round 1.

[DV8 2,271]

5 hours ago, Gunna’s said:

Saw in the game day thread that someone called him BP. So along the villain moniker it lead to Mario’s nemesis:

Brayden Pruess > BP > Fuel Bowser > Bowser 

 

HaHaHa.  >> 

and at rest..

 

[Demonland 64,633]

On 3/3/2019 at 10:19 PM, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

 

 

 

Moving up in the world @david_neitz_is_my_dad

 

[DV8 2,271]

3 hours ago, Demonland said:

Moving up in the world @david_neitz_is_my_dad

 

There is a nickname in that somewheres...  dare I say it.    '[censored]'  Preuss.

[Wunders 385]

4 hours ago, Demonland said:

Moving up in the world @david_neitz_is_my_dad

 

My issue with this is putting his hands up afterward - which is a clear sign to the umpires that he did something wrong.. Keep your hands down and pretend you did nothing wrong!