Training - Wednesday 16th January, 2019

[daisycutter 28,459]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Have you seen his frame ?

90kg for Petracca would not only be counterproductive it would be ridiculous.

You think he should weigh 3kg more than Viney ?  96kg is fine for Petracca's physique.

i'd agree with you if we were discussing nrl  ?

i'm reasonably happy with tracc's progress and prospects. I'm not saying outright that 96kg (if true) is too much for him. I just don't know, but it does suggest to me that it's possibly a small concern worth exploring and discussing

[Gator 16,891]

4 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i'd agree with you if we were discussing nrl  ?

i'm reasonably happy with tracc's progress and prospects. I'm not saying outright that 96kg (if true) is too much for him. I just don't know, but it does suggest to me that it's possibly a small concern worth exploring and discussing

I'll have to tell premiership captain Shannon Hurn he's too heavy at 187cm and 95kg.

Just have some faith in the footy dept.  A player's ideal weight is pretty simple for conditioning coaches.  

[tiers 2,761]

One season, When Tony Lockett was still at St Kilda, it was decided that he should trim down and look more like a modern day footballer. The experiment didn't last long - without his bulk he was not as effective and it wasn't tried again.

Similarly with Tracca. His game relies on his intuitive ability to get to where the ball is, holding his ground in marking contests and ball extraction from packs and delivering to advantage. He is not a fleet footed runner like Jones or Viney and doesn't try to be. On the other hand, they don't try to play his style either.

Both styles add balance to the team and game plan. We should stop comparing Tracca to the image we have created and let him be the player that he is.

[binman 37,793]

1 hour ago, tiers said:

One season, When Tony Lockett was still at St Kilda, it was decided that he should trim down and look more like a modern day footballer. The experiment didn't last long - without his bulk he was not as effective and it wasn't tried again.

Similarly with Tracca. His game relies on his intuitive ability to get to where the ball is, holding his ground in marking contests and ball extraction from packs and delivering to advantage. He is not a fleet footed runner like Jones or Viney and doesn't try to be. On the other hand, they don't try to play his style either.

Both styles add balance to the team and game plan. We should stop comparing Tracca to the image we have created and let him be the player that he is.

Yes. But all that assumes he is, in effect, a power forward. Which personaIy I think is his best position.

But if he plays as a 50 50 forward mid then he will need to lose bulk. I've read some comparisons to Gary Ablett and, which I reckon are valid but ga and never really played as a mid. De goey is the player I reckon trac most resembles in modern footy 

[daisycutter 28,459]

1 hour ago, tiers said:

One season, When Tony Lockett was still at St Kilda, it was decided that he should trim down and look more like a modern day footballer. The experiment didn't last long - without his bulk he was not as effective and it wasn't tried again.

Similarly with Tracca. His game relies on his intuitive ability to get to where the ball is, holding his ground in marking contests and ball extraction from packs and delivering to advantage. He is not a fleet footed runner like Jones or Viney and doesn't try to be. On the other hand, they don't try to play his style either.

Both styles add balance to the team and game plan. We should stop comparing Tracca to the image we have created and let him be the player that he is.

one too can always find examples of players who reduced a bit of weight and improved their games

cherry picking the odd example to prove one's pov proves nothing

frankly the whole question is not that big a deal for me. i just thought it worthwhile exploring because it looks a bit of an outlier in today's modern game (not tony lockett's era) where a percentage point here and there can make a difference worth pursuing 

[DV8 2,271]

4 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I don't understand the offence that so many are taking to the comments of Petracca's physique.  I haven't seen posters saying that he is fat, undisciplined or lazy; it's not a skin-folds issue with him.  I am however of the belief that he would have a much more consistent impact on matches if he was lugging around 90kg frame as apposed to a 96kg one.

He's the 7th heaviest player on our list and the 22nd tallest...

I'd like to know his BMI.

[DV8 2,271]

4 hours ago, daisycutter said:

well we are "arguing" about his weight based on figures that are a year old for all we know

until we get some current verifiable data it is somewhat meaningless

i tend to agree that if he was in fact 96kg then at least on the surface this would seem sub-optimal (imho)

Nah... what is about is his inconsistencies and drop offs, in focus and involvements.

I do Not want to see him become a one dimensional player, locked at half forward.

 

Our midfield is getting stronger... and IF Pertracca is to ever build his tank up.  He has to start to really do it now...

He is 23 Yrs old now.   Not 21Yr old... that's 5 Yrs into the system already.

 

IMO should be further advanced in the area of endurance, than he is now.

I don't want another yze at forward-pocket..saying...  "Oh,,, I can't run on the ball,  because my fitness isn't good enough"_  sort of carp.

Surely we are past this stuff,  when players are not fully ready, and committed.

 

If this guy ever gets as fit as a boxer is,  he could be dynamite.    As he is, he's a half-hearted, half way sort.

Edited January 17, 2019 by DV8

[BAMF 3,783]

16 minutes ago, DV8 said:

I'd like to know his BMI.

You posted his height and weight only a few posts ago. The exact things you need to work out BMI. The fact you dont know this combined with raising BMI in a conversation about elite athletes shows that you really dont have any idea what you are talkkng about. 

[DV8 2,271]

10 minutes ago, BAMF said:

You posted his height and weight only a few posts ago. The exact things you need to work out BMI. The fact you dont know this combined with raising BMI in a conversation about elite athletes shows that you really dont have any idea what you are talkkng about. 

So tell us than smarty, where/what is his BMI. compared to Vanders BMI ?  put it up there for us to compare...

Do the whole senior list from the clubs website player info.

So we can all see and judge it for ourselves.

Inform us all with these stats.

Edited January 17, 2019 by DV8

[rjay 23,867]

Sometimes (more often than not) to quote Frank Zappa, as a player "you are what you is and that's all it is"...

How many people thought Robbie just needed a bit more muscle on his sleight frame?

No matter how much he tried it was never going to happen

Trac  has a big frame, he's a big guy, always has been & he uses it to his advantage.

He's not over weight or muscle bound like Conlin & Templeton back in the day...

There's a bit of Dipper about him, could you imagine a scrawny, skinny looking Dipper?

 

[McQueen 17,862]

1 hour ago, DV8 said:

So tell us than smarty, where/what is his BMI. compared to Vanders BMI ?  put it up there for us to compare...

Do the whole senior list from the clubs website player info.

So we can all see and judge it for ourselves.

Inform us all with these stats.

BMI is a rather useless measurement for mesomorphic and beefy athletes. 

It’s probably why skin folds is the main metric players are measured by. 

[drysdale demon 4,143]

7 hours ago, DV8 said:

If this guy ever gets as fit as a boxer is,  he could be dynamite.    As he is, he's a half-hearted, half way sort.

He will never get as fit as a topline boxer, there are not too many footballers who would reach that level nor have there ever been.I take it you are assuming he is half-hearted about his football.

[Gator 16,891]

I blocked this unsavoury clown eons ago.  It's a waste of time.

[Dr.D 1,771]

To be honest, I don't really understand the need for preuss. Yes, he is a good ruckman but I don't want either of Gawn or Preuss resting forward. Neither of them can kick to save themselves and missed goals are so costly these days that anyone who isn't a good kick for goal shouldn't be in the inside 50m. Another reason why Petracca should never play deep forward. 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

7 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

To be honest, I don't really understand the need for preuss. Yes, he is a good ruckman but I don't want either of Gawn or Preuss resting forward. Neither of them can kick to save themselves and missed goals are so costly these days that anyone who isn't a good kick for goal shouldn't be in the inside 50m. Another reason why Petracca should never play deep forward. 

I thought Preuss was a good kick?

[daisycutter 28,459]

8 hours ago, rjay said:

Sometimes (more often than not) to quote Frank Zappa, as a player "you are what you is and that's all it is"...

How many people thought Robbie just needed a bit more muscle on his sleight frame?

No matter how much he tried it was never going to happen

Trac  has a big frame, he's a big guy, always has been & he uses it to his advantage.

He's not over weight or muscle bound like Conlin & Templeton back in the day...

There's a bit of Dipper about him, could you imagine a scrawny, skinny looking Dipper?

 

you may well be right, rjay

[Dee Zephyr 17,309]

6 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

To be honest, I don't really understand the need for preuss. Yes, he is a good ruckman but I don't want either of Gawn or Preuss resting forward. Neither of them can kick to save themselves and missed goals are so costly these days that anyone who isn't a good kick for goal shouldn't be in the inside 50m. Another reason why Petracca should never play deep forward. 

We’ll just have to wait and see what the plan is with the big boys. Also, a tad harsh on Max, his kicking for goal improved and was accurate during the finals when drifting forward. 

Can’t say I’ve seen too many of the 8 games Preuss has played so far but I’m guessing you have seen a big enough sample to make that judgement. 

[waynewussell 4,081]

All this talk about Petracca's body shape/fitness is mildly amusing and symptomatic of the off-season blues. I suggest the doubters get down to Gosch's and have a closer look first hand... if that is out of the question, show some respect for the supporters who have. Petracca is tracking very well and we are blessed to have his unique talents. He is powerful, intuitive and highly effective in the role he played throughout a successful finals campaign... If it ain't broke...! 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

I blocked this unsavoury clown eons ago.  It's a waste of time.

I don't think he's unsavoury. He's more like pi - he's irrational and goes on and on.

[hemingway 7,583]

CPs upper body looks trim. No handlebars and as someone mentioned, not burdened by body builder type muscle ""assisted"" development.

What is striking is how huge his upper legs or thighs are in contrast to his torso.

That's just the way he has been made, with his genetics. 

[DeeZone 7,669]

Can’t help but agree hw he has powerful legs which provide that burst and strength he is at his best one on one and has a good footy brain, hopefully he will continue to work hard and gain that continual improvement through to his hundredth game and beyond. I love his enthusiasm and joy in winning.

[Gator 16,891]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I don't think he's unsavoury. He's more like pi - he's irrational and goes on and on.

Well there you go.

We couldn't disagree more.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

11 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Well there you go.

We couldn't disagree more.

Which bit? You think he is unsavoury? Or that he's rational and doesn't go on and on? Or both?

[ding 5,126]

35 minutes ago, hemingway said:

CPs upper body looks trim. No handlebars and as someone mentioned, not burdened by body builder type muscle ""assisted"" development.

What is striking is how huge his upper legs or thighs are in contrast to his torso.

That's just the way he has been made, with his genetics. 

Thats the main reason so many football observers call him a "bull". Cant remember the last player i saw who could stand up in a tackle with 2 players hanging off him the way Petracca does. Tree trunks for legs that have genuine power in them. 

I still think some of the hype (party self-created) around CP is way overblown, but he is at least improving and giving himself a chance of living up to his potential. Needs his statement year NOW or he may well start to lose that supreme self-confidence.

Im still waiting to see him play angry. Use that bulk and start smashing bodies Trac

Gots tha tools.................

 

[hemingway 7,583]

3 minutes ago, ding said:

Thats the main reason so many football observers call him a "bull". Cant remember the last player i saw who could stand up in a tackle with 2 players hanging off him the way Petracca does. Tree trunks for legs that have genuine power in them. 

I still think some of the hype (party self-created) around CP is way overblown, but he is at least improving and giving himself a chance of living up to his potential. Needs his statement year NOW or he may well start to lose that supreme self-confidence.

Im still waiting to see him play angry. Use that bulk and start smashing bodies Trac

Gots tha tools.................

 

Lets hope he can also become a better kick on goal.