Our Tall Forwards

[jayceebee31 666]

5 minutes ago, bingers said:

Shades of Mason Cox?

Hope you are correct....but...has a hell of a lot of development to do.I feel they will try to develop him as a ruckman.

[jayceebee31 666]

18 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Jason Taylor on inside melbourne

Thank you....I will bet he does not play full forward in the opening round for Casey next year.

[samcantstandya 918]

3 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Poor form rjay, no ones trying to justify anything, merely point out what is obvious to some. Clearly Curnow has talent but the main objective of a key forward is to kick goals. Curnow like Hogan struggles at times with easy set shots. 

The Weed is normally an extremely accurate kick he just needs confidence.

[spirit of norm smith 12,886]

Pedersen might have been worthy of another year. Showed he was well above VFL and very handy AFL player if required. 

[jayceebee31 666]

34 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Pedersen might have been worthy of another year. Showed he was well above VFL and very handy AFL player if required. 

Better than none provided in this draft as a back up.He had still another year left in him.Was an emergency in most of our finals in 18.

[Deemania since 56 6,132]

6 hours ago, jayceebee31 said:

Better than none provided in this draft as a back up.He had still another year left in him.Was an emergency in most of our finals in 18.

 

6 hours ago, jayceebee31 said:

Better than none provided in this draft as a back up.He had still another year left in him.Was an emergency in most of our finals in 18.

We are going to miss 'Mr Reliable' (Pedo) in the coming season. Taking that mark, kicking that goal, flattening that opponent and then helping him back onto his feet. 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

10 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Pedersen might have been worthy of another year. Showed he was well above VFL and very handy AFL player if required. 

Correct.

[rjay 23,888]

10 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Pedersen might have been worthy of another year. Showed he was well above VFL and very handy AFL player if required. 

His form at AFL level had dropped off considerably in 2018, he really struggled at the level.

Despite the romance of 2017,  it was time for Pedders....

 

[Ouch! 2,034]

Do we have any spots remaining on our list? 

I thought we only had 7 spots, we rookied Wagner prior to the draft and got 6. 

 

[Vipercrunch 2,803]

The role of a tall forward isn't just to kick goals though.  It's the pack mark on the wing from the rushed pressure relieving kick.  It forcing played like McGovern and Rance to be accountable.  If we are unlucky with injuries to Tmac and Weeds, who do we turn to?  This years draft wasn't going to provide a solution to that though in 2019, but I wouldn't have minded having a player that could be learning that role down at Casey for the next two years being drafted.

Serious question though, if Weeds and Tmac are injured and we're playing WCE again in a Prelim, how do we make sure McGovern and Barass don't take 20 intercept marks between them?

[Diamond_Jim 11,731]

3 minutes ago, S_T said:

Serious question though, if Weeds and Tmac are injured and we're playing WCE again in a Prelim, how do we make sure McGovern and Barass don't take 20 intercept marks between them?

Pray...

seriously though you simply cannot carry many back up KPP's. Even if you could draft another who is ready in say 2 years do you think that player would happily play as an understudy for two or three more years until TMac retires.

With Hogan leaving we have avoided the big push for the Weid that would almost certainly have come at the end of 2019 season.

If there is an ideal player it's the mid that can play "tall" whatever that really means. I see people speak of Petracca in that vein but while I can remember many marks from good positioning I can't say I can recall many marks where he uses his "height." Perhaps the best example of such a player at present is Bontompelli but there aren't many like him.

[Lord Travis 10,158]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Pray...

seriously though you simply cannot carry many back up KPP's. 

Key word there being “many”, not any. For tall forwards we have none. Would’ve been a smart move to hold onto Pedo for another year as backup even if his form wasn’t as good. Some backup is better than no backup.

[DeeSpencer 23,106]

Petracca, Melksham, Hannan, Fritsch can all play as the go to guys.

Worse case scenario we only need big competitive bodies. We have 2 options in Preuss and T Smith, both would offer more than Pedersen in 2019. I like Frost and Joel Smith as alternatives if we have 3+ injuries to talls.

We still have a March rookie spot and can potentially create another one for mid season. I’m a little unsure of those rules. If we need a back up we can get a back up then.

[Diamond_Jim 11,731]

38 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Key word there being “many”, not any. For tall forwards we have none. Would’ve been a smart move to hold onto Pedo for another year as backup even if his form wasn’t as good. Some backup is better than no backup.

good point but I see Preuss and Pedersen as almost interchangeable save that Preuss has the added attraction of being a better replacement ruck.

Not ideal I know but it seems to the strategy.

We also have Tim Smith who needs to play the role if needed or he will unfortunately be delisted.

[What 18,810]

We are overloaded with tall backs, so Id like to see Petty and/or Keilty tried up forward..                   

Any inside info,   @Drunkn167

Edited November 26, 2018 by Petraccattack

[Drunkn167 5,093]

3 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

We are overloaded with tall backs, so Id like to see Petty and/or Keilty tried up forward..                   

Any inside info,   @Drunkn167

Can’t say for sure but given Keilty has played forward before many times, I’d bet good money of him being trained as a forward next season.

[What 18,810]

1 hour ago, Drunkn167 said:

Can’t say for sure but given Keilty has played forward before many times, I’d bet good money of him being trained as a forward next season.

Great, he has the tools to be a KPF.  And I will be able to say that I called it.  its a win win for everyone.

[Drunkn167 5,093]

Just now, Petraccattack said:

Great, he has the tools to be a KPF.  And I will be able to say that I called it.  its a win win for everyone.

One of his best games this season was against Port Melbourne when they threw him forward in the last quarter. 

I still maintain Dec almost singlehandley won Casey that game. No one was hanging on to marks forward of centre but he was able to bring down 4 or 5 big grabs, set up a couple of goals and kicked one himself. 

Got BOG that game too.

[Deemania since 56 6,132]

22 hours ago, S_T said:

The role of a tall forward isn't just to kick goals though.  It's the pack mark on the wing from the rushed pressure relieving kick.  It forcing played like McGovern and Rance to be accountable.  If we are unlucky with injuries to Tmac and Weeds, who do we turn to?  This years draft wasn't going to provide a solution to that though in 2019, but I wouldn't have minded having a player that could be learning that role down at Casey for the next two years being drafted.

Serious question though, if Weeds and Tmac are injured and we're playing WCE again in a Prelim, how do we make sure McGovern and Barass don't take 20 intercept marks between them?

We go the 'knuckle' with mongrel intent, now we have the armoury.

[Willmoy1947 3,769]

59 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

We go the 'knuckle' with mongrel intent, now we have the armoury.

Gee "56 old minds think alike. Took the words right out of my mouth. In fact, were instructed to..........

[Smokey 4,124]

On 11/25/2018 at 10:10 AM, ProDee said:

Lockett is the best kick for goal I've seen.

Lockett converted at 69.7% and Curnow converts at 63.4%.

There's not one club in the league that thinks "I really like Curnow, but I'm worried about his goal-kicking accuracy".

Not a single one.

Note: Peter McKenna, who many say was the best kick for goal they've seen, converted at 65%.

This comparison seems dubious at best 

Lockett vs Curnow 
Games played - 281 vs 47
Total scoring shots - 1950 vs 93

The disparity in sample data is too big for this comparison. A better way to look at it is Pluggers stats after his first 3 seasons (175 goals @ 68% accuracy). Either way you look at it, you've basically just proven that the two players cannot be compared. 

Pretty interesting that you are prepared to speak on behalf of every football department in the league and state that his accuracy has never been discussed. 

All in all - thanks for the fake news 

Edited November 27, 2018 by Smokey

[Gator 16,891]

2 minutes ago, Smokey said:

This comparison seems dubious at best 

Lockett vs Curnow 
Games played - 281 vs 47
Total scoring shots - 1950 vs 93

The disparity in sample data is too big for this comparison. A better way to look at it is Pluggers stats after his first 3 seasons (175 goals @ 68% accuracy). Either way you look at it, you've basically just proven that the two players cannot be compared. 

Pretty interesting that you are prepared to speak on behalf of every football department in the league and state that his accuracy has never been discussed. 

All in all - thanks for the fake news 

You've completely missed the point.

It wasn't a Lockett/Curnow comparison.

Go and tune up your cognitive gears.

[jayceebee31 666]

Can see that Keilty could play forward but need to do something next draft to cover weakness on list.

[Smokey 4,124]

15 minutes ago, ProDee said:

You've completely missed the point.

It wasn't a Lockett/Curnow comparison.

Go and tune up your cognitive gears.

Haha right, that wasn't a comparison at all. You were just comparing their goal kicking accuracy statistics side by side. Duh. 

Curious now - what point were you trying to make when you compared two players goal kicking accuracy whilst not making a comparison between the two players? 

Edited November 27, 2018 by Smokey

[Gator 16,891]

1 minute ago, Smokey said:

Haha right, that wasn't not a comparison at all. You were just comparing their goal kicking accuracy statistics side by side. Duh. 

Curious now - what point were you trying to make when you compared two players goal kicking accuracy whilst not making a comparison between the two players? 

Good Lord.

Most of the best goal-kickers in history float between 65-70%.  I could have named another 12 quality key forwards that fell within that range.  Then you would have (needlessly) scrambled away dissecting another player's accuracy.

The point was that Curnow's goal-kicking accuracy at 63% is a non-issue and that it wouldn't deter any club in the competition for craving a player of his quality.