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1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

Poor Fritter....

Well, yeah. It exemplifies why we can't play both Jones and Lewis. Fritsch is on the bench in place of one of those guys. 

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I hate it when best 22s don't include the next 3-6 that have been left out as "depth" so that there is something to contrast immediately. 

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Missing:

Fritsch, Frost, Preuss, Stretch, Hunt, Joel Smith, Garlett, JKH, Wagner, Baker, Petty.

Rookies:

Tim Smith, Maynard, Keilty

 

Probably the best 22 named, with the jury out on KK.

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Put Frost on the wing instead of KK.

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It will be interesting to see what the actual starting 22 will be next year. Does anyone know if  Lever is likely to be ready for round 1?

I am a little nervous about the backline getting out of whack again and needing some time to settle and get their rhythm right. Also, it is unclear where KK will be at by round 1. He looked great early in his career at GC but haven’t seen much of him since these concusion issues started.

I also can’t see Fritsch being left out, particularly if he can play on a wing/half forward where he really belongs. Given the nature of footy, it is unlikely that we will have everyone available so looking at the best 22 from here is kind of unlikely to yield an accurate list. Particularly when we consider that there are 2 second round picks to resolve as well as a few other spots to fill before we get into preseason.

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I'm not sure about Kolodjashnij just yet.

Until he gets some games together, he is depth for mine for the moment. He has the potential to be best 22 for sure but is wait and see.

Fritsch on the other wing for mine.

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Pruess should be in you don't recruit players to play in the reserves. He's best 22 for mine. Spargo is the weakest link in the team he shouldn't be playing. Fritsch takes Lever's spot until he is injury free.

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12 hours ago, Demonland said:

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Gee Terry Wallace. Two of our trades into "best team" and you can still only find us a C+. This team on their day could pummel anyone. Really looking forward to next season.

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7 hours ago, FlashInThePan said:

It will be interesting to see what the actual starting 22 will be next year. Does anyone know if  Lever is likely to be ready for round 1?

I am a little nervous about the backline getting out of whack again and needing some time to settle and get their rhythm right. Also, it is unclear where KK will be at by round 1. He looked great early in his career at GC but haven’t seen much of him since these concusion issues started.

I also can’t see Fritsch being left out, particularly if he can play on a wing/half forward where he really belongs. Given the nature of footy, it is unlikely that we will have everyone available so looking at the best 22 from here is kind of unlikely to yield an accurate list. Particularly when we consider that there are 2 second round picks to resolve as well as a few other spots to fill before we get into preseason.

We seem to be the best team around at handling concussion. Same treatment (if similar problem) with Angus will give KK the best outcome and a real boost to our outside running.

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Fritta must play. We need decent kicks and whether it’s wing or half forward, he brings that to the team. I don’t mind so long as he’s in the forward half of the ground. Hannan to make way and that would be my best side provided KK can impress in pre-season.

Stretch will also be one to keep an eye on. Was looking like things had clicked before his injury.

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4 hours ago, P-man said:

Fritta must play. We need decent kicks and whether it’s wing or half forward, he brings that to the team. I don’t mind so long as he’s in the forward half of the ground. Hannan to make way and that would be my best side provided KK can impress in pre-season.

Stretch will also be one to keep an eye on. Was looking like things had clicked before his injury.

Agree.

Be pleased to see Lever in round one, however might be Preuss to stand next to Cox!

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Competition for spots will be fierce once again best 22 on 2018 form might be quite different to how it is seen after 2019 preseason.

For mine:

1.  It's a real toss-up between Frost and Oscar.  Both had good and bad patches of form over the course of 2018.  They are actually both pretty good runners and I think you could almost consider having one rotate off the bench.  That way, we maintain some height/aerial dominance of the oppositions backline when they rotate their key forwards off.  Actually if I recall correctly Oscar spends about 97% of game time out on the paddock, so it would/could be Frost predominantly rotating with Lever, May, Hibbard and possibly through a wing at times;

2.  Spargo was fairly borderline in parts of 2018 and I'm struggling to reconcile that he is best 22, other than that he fills that small pressure forward /crumbing role probably better on ballance than either Hannan, Freitch and Garlett.  One real asset that he has is that he plays like an angry agressive little man and that probably something that gives him a bit of an edge over others.  Where I do give him some grace is that he was only a first year player last year and should get better with more good preseasons under his belt.  Assuming he doesn't get second year blues, a really good preseason could see him move from borderline to clearly best 22.  I'm still holding out hope that Jeffy can sort himself out.  At his best, he is a blisteringly good footballer with more pace and X factor than any other player on our list.  Hannan plateaued last season, but has the assets to become elite if he can take it to the next level;

3.  Like others, I'd have Fritsch ahead of KK at this point, but it could be a close run thing;

4.  It will be a big preseason all around.  Pleanty of talent sitting outside the best 22 KK, J Smith, Hunt, Stretch, JKH, Wagner all have potential to be best 22 if they lift another 20% in some areas and/or others drop off.

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What do you think will make Garlett turn around?

With emotional issues by all reports I wouldn't be relying on him getting back

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The others that 'might' be borderline best 22 are:

5.  Jones/Lewis - obvious age related reasons;

6.  Petracca/ANB/Weid.  Trac, because despite all his talent, his output and actual performance is sometimes lacking.  ANB, because whilst his endurance is elite, the other areas of his game can be marginal and my impression is that he needs to be operating at pretty close to 100% to get games.  Weid is marginal, only because he needs to lay down a much more substantial run of late 2018 form to cement it that he can produce that on a consistent and permanent basis.  For all Jesse's detractors, he provided a pretty good level of output as the main key forward over a sustained period;

7. Preuss - purely due to team ballance.  Asides from 'that' game against the Eagles, it was obvious to me in several other games throughout the season the momentum and our drive from stoppages dropped remarkably to the point of going into reverse in the periods that Gawn was off the ground (ironically Vs the Suns at the Gabba is one that stands out).  Against top sides that will kill us.

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On 10/23/2018 at 1:23 AM, MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday said:

Kolodjashni won’t play rd1.

Fritsch will be in that team.

Frost on a wing.

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6 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

1.  It's a real toss-up between Frost and Oscar.  Both had good and bad patches of form over the course of 2018.  They are actually both pretty good runners and I think you could almost consider having one rotate off the bench.  That way, we maintain some height/aerial dominance of the oppositions backline when they rotate their key forwards off.  Actually if I recall correctly Oscar spends about 97% of game time out on the paddock, so it would/could be Frost predominantly rotating with Lever, May, Hibbard and possibly through a wing at times;

Frost before Omac for me.  Frost was in the top 5 one on one defenders in the AFL in 2018, losing only 17.6% of contests.  Omac was just above average losing 26.7% of contests.  FYI, Lever was ranked 2nd in the league at 15.4% and May around 10th at 21.4%.  Our one on one defending was good last year and will be better in 2019.  Your welcome to quote the actual stats to jnrmac 🙂  My crystal ball prediction is  we'll have a bad loss at some stage in 2019 when our forwards and mids are not defensively switched on, and demonland will go into meltdown over how bad our one on one defending is..... 

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39 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

Frost before Omac for me.  Frost was in the top 5 one on one defenders in the AFL in 2018, losing only 17.6% of contests.  Omac was just above average losing 26.7% of contests.  FYI, Lever was ranked 2nd in the league at 15.4% and May around 10th at 21.4%.  Our one on one defending was good last year and will be better in 2019.  Your welcome to quote the actual stats to jnrmac 🙂  My crystal ball prediction is  we'll have a bad loss at some stage in 2019 when our forwards and mids are not defensively switched on, and demonland will go into meltdown over how bad our one on one defending is..... 

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I’m no great OMc fan but he generally got the oppositions best forward each week who invariably is  the best contested mark. 

Also it doesn’t matter if you have the defensive capabilities of a combined Scarlett/Glen Jakovich/Nev Jetta you’ll still lose to a red hot Hawkins or a 7 foot American who is getting reasonable delivery

Having said that it would be nice if O Mc was slightly faster, more agile and a bit more aggressive. At least he can work on the latter. 

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1 hour ago, Watson11 said:

Frost before Omac for me.  Frost was in the top 5 one on one defenders in the AFL in 2018, losing only 17.6% of contests.  Omac was just above average losing 26.7% of contests.  FYI, Lever was ranked 2nd in the league at 15.4% and May around 10th at 21.4%.  Our one on one defending was good last year and will be better in 2019.  Your welcome to quote the actual stats to jnrmac 🙂  My crystal ball prediction is  we'll have a bad loss at some stage in 2019 when our forwards and mids are not defensively switched on, and demonland will go into meltdown over how bad our one on one defending is..... 

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That is great - how do I see these stats?

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26 minutes ago, FarNorthernD said:

I’m no great OMc fan but he generally got the oppositions best forward each week who invariably is  the best contested mark. 

Also it doesn’t matter if you have the defensive capabilities of a combined Scarlett/Glen Jakovich/Nev Jetta you’ll still lose to a red hot Hawkins or a 7 foot American who is getting reasonable delivery

Having said that it would be nice if O Mc was slightly faster, more agile and a bit more aggressive. At least he can work on the latter. 

Except at the end of the year when Frost was getting the best forward (Hawkins, Franklin, Kennedy, Roughead...). 

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1 hour ago, Watson11 said:

Frost before Omac for me.  Frost was in the top 5 one on one defenders in the AFL in 2018, losing only 17.6% of contests.  Omac was just above average losing 26.7% of contests.  FYI, Lever was ranked 2nd in the league at 15.4% and May around 10th at 21.4%.  Our one on one defending was good last year and will be better in 2019.  Your welcome to quote the actual stats to jnrmac 🙂  My crystal ball prediction is  we'll have a bad loss at some stage in 2019 when our forwards and mids are not defensively switched on, and demonland will go into meltdown over how bad our one on one defending is..... 

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A good example of the problem of taking stats in isolation.

For example by that logic Frost is a better one on one defender than May. But that's not the case.

One mitigating factor is Omac played in  more losing matches than Frosty, and in those games our pressure dropped off and oppo kicks inside 50 were better. The same issue applies to May obviously.

Another is that as FND points out for most of the season Omac got the oppos best and biggest forward. And performed well in most of those contests, despite giving away age, strength, weight and experience. Next year he will stronger and heavier, in fact he will keep getting bigger for the next two seasons, whereas Frosty is probably as big as he is going to get.

Omac is still in a kid in terms of the role he plays. His peak is 2 to 3 years away. On that point here is a statistical comparison of May and Omac and the same stage of their career (Omac's last season and May's stats  for his 2014 season):

2018 Stats for Season 2014
25 Games 19
7.6 Kicks Per Game 10.5
4.0 Handballs Per Game 2.8
11.6 Disposals Per Game 13.4
3.8 Marks Per Game 3.8
0 Goals Per Game 0
0 Behinds Per Game 0.1
1.2 Tackles Per Game 2.3
0 Hitouts Per Game 0.2
0.8 Inside 50s Per Game 1.1
0 Goal Assists Per Game 0.2
0.2 Frees For Per Game 0.8
1.0 Frees Against Per Game 1.1
4.3 Contested Possessions Per Game 4.9
7.0 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 7.6
9.2 Effective Disposals Per Game 10.0
79.3% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 74.6%
2.1 Clangers Per Game 2.8
0.7 Contested Marks Per Game 0.5
0 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 0
0.1 Clearances Per Game 0.3
3.1 Rebound 50s Per Game 4.3
6.3 One Percenters Per Game 10.3
0 Bounces Per Game 0.7
96.0 Time On Ground % Per Game 95.5
   

I don't think Frost is competing with OMac for a spot and if he is he in a spot of bother because Omac is ahead.

I like Frosty but his disposal is too unreliable and as result his risk reward ratio is too weighted towards risk. Which is an issue for him given the way he plays.

 

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