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3 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Due to Olisik's incorrect assertions it seems I also have to post this here.

 A few things...

 I doubt you know that every one of those goals was kicked on May.  In fact, I know you don't, because Kennedy kicked 4 on him and Riewoldt 6.  And key defenders are only as good as team structures and the quality of their midfield.

 You think May is slow when speed is one of his biggest strengths.  This clearly tells me you have no clue about the player you're criticising.

The following is from a recent article:

In 2016 he (May) was the third-best defender in the competition behind Alex Rance and ahead of Jeremy McGovern, losing just 14 of 71 one-on-ones for the entire year.

This season Gold Coast haemorrhaged inside 50s, giving up five more than the next-worst side.

The offensive stuff is what elevates him above the dime-a-dozen stoppers.

This year he averaged 17.4 disposals (second-most for key defenders), 334 metres gained (second most for key defenders) as well 7.6 intercept possessions, three intercept marks and 6.8 spoils (all above average).

Put him into an good side with quality players around him and you have a weapon at full back.

They (Melbourne) get Jake Lever back at some stage and improved their defensive mix late, but still were the fourth-easiest side to score against across the entire season.

Slot him in alongside Lever and Max Gawn becomes an offensive threat again instead of being forced to play as a seventh defender at times as well as a ruckman.

To sum up, Olisik, you're welcome to your opinion, but it's hopelessly misinformed.

Finally! I find it truly bizarre that certain people are rating May based on how many goals were kicked on him this year. He's playing for the worst (or second worst arguably) team in the league that looks like it has absolutely no structure most of the time.

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11 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Because we are in a premiership window and May adds A LOT to our team balence.

IMO we are closer to a flag with May in our team than Hogan

I just don’t rate May that highly. 

Hope i am wrong...

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18 minutes ago, Pates said:

I guess my ultimate thing is that I just don’t rate May as highly as a lot of others seem to. He’s at the top end of our age range and has been good but hardly an out an out star. I truly question whether bringing him in rounds out our team, particularly as at the other end Weiderman is still unproven. 

May would be a good get, nothing more. Jesse is a proven forward with limitless potential, I would take him any day of the week over May wherever we played him. 

A big problem I think in all of this is folk isolate a player and then somehow attempt a valuation.

I see it differently.. Hogan is a forward...May is a back.  I think we can all at least agree upon that.

Here's where I diverge from the groupthink model.   I see it as a comparison of effects.

What does May added to our back arc do as compared Hogan being in the front arc ?

Add May to Lever, Hibberd , Jetta, Oscar  and say Salem...  thats formidable...take out May...not so much...as dynamic reverts back to before...somewhat problematic

Hogan in the fwd 50 with Tmac , Milkshake, Trac...any of Spargo... VDB  etc etc...is also quite effective.

Take out Hogan...put in Weed...or someone else..its still reasonably effective, and possibly not so mono-centric in nature  of attack.

So for mine the impact of May in far outweighs Hogan leaving

Have a suspicion out FD sees it similarly.

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Have thought from day 1 that Freo are desperate to get Hogan.

Smoke screens galore to drive down a proper price.

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Losing Hogan frees up a lot of cap space, if it’s true he’s after a million a year, don’t know what May is on, maybe a bit more than half that, so it’s not just Pick 5 & 23.

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Dockett 32 said:

Have thought from day 1 that Freo are desperate to get Hogan.

Smoke screens galore to drive down a proper price.

Forget smoke screens Freo have been lying. They are liars and not to be trusted. They have been spreading lies regardless of cost to reputations of others. For the life of me I cannot understand why Hogan wants to go there, unless there is something we don't know. 

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9 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

A big problem I think in all of this is folk isolate a player and then somehow attempt a valuation.

I see it differently.. Hogan is a forward...May is a back.  I think we can all at least agree upon that.

Here's where I diverge from the groupthink model.   I see it as a comparison of effects.

What does May added to our back arc do as compared Hogan being in the front arc ?

Add May to Lever, Hibberd , Jetta, Oscar  and say Salem...  thats formidable...take out May...not so much...as dynamic reverts back to before...somewhat problematic

Hogan in the fwd 50 with Tmac , Milkshake, Trac...any of Spargo... VDB  etc etc...is also quite effective.

Take out Hogan...put in Weed...or someone else..its still reasonably effective, and possibly not so mono-centric in nature  of attack.

So for mine the impact of May in far outweighs Hogan leaving

Have a suspicion out FD sees it similarly.

I'd agree with all that if I wasn't so doubtful about Weid since has yet to prove himself - one game does not a champion make.  (And I fear when he does, Eddie will move heaven and earth to get him to C'wood.)

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2 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Forget smoke screens Freo have been lying. They are liars and not to be trusted. They have been spreading lies regardless of cost to reputations of others. 

This is what is being said in the industry.  I have it from a very reliable source (list manager at another club).

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5 minutes ago, bluey said:

Losing Hogan frees up a lot of cap space, if it’s true he’s after a million a year, don’t know what May is on, maybe a bit more than half that, so it’s not just Pick 5 & 23.

 

 

 

May is on a reported $900k so not a great difference

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8 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

A big problem I think in all of this is folk isolate a player and then somehow attempt a valuation.

I see it differently.. Hogan is a forward...May is a back.  I think we can all at least agree upon that.

Here's where I diverge from the groupthink model.   I see it as a comparison of effects.

What does May added to our back arc do as compared Hogan being in the front arc ?

Add May to Lever, Hibberd , Jetta, Oscar  and say Salem...  thats formidable...take out May...not so much...as dynamic reverts back to before...somewhat problematic

Hogan in the fwd 50 with Tmac , Milkshake, Trac...any of Spargo... VDB  etc etc...is also quite effective.

Take out Hogan...put in Weed...or someone else..its still reasonably effective, and possibly not so mono-centric in nature  of attack.

So for mine the impact of May in far outweighs Hogan leaving

Have a suspicion out FD sees it similarly.

Yeah sure, all this is accepted by most, they see the Hogan out May in scenario loud and clear.

What people aren't so sure about is the trading out of a potential champion of the game, a Brereton or a Carey for a bloke who has shown his full potential and sure we can build a defence around him but he won't finish his career as a champ of the game.

Also sure you have to give up something significant to get something that you need but look at Richmond getting in Lynch. We give up two first round picks for Lever, I think we just want very fair at worst compensation for Hogan, if not overs. Or don't do the bl@@dy trade!

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1 minute ago, hells bells said:

This is what is being said in the industry.  I have it from a very reliable source (list manager at another club).

maybe, but all you have is a reliable source of a rumour. that is not proof of the rumour itself necessarily

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12 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Forget smoke screens Freo have been lying. They are liars and not to be trusted. They have been spreading lies regardless of cost to reputations of others. For the life of me I cannot understand why Hogan wants to go there, unless there is something we don't know. 

 

8 minutes ago, hells bells said:

This is what is being said in the industry.  I have it from a very reliable source (list manager at another club).

It's [censored]. The rumours been posted on reddit for a week, been an exhausting gig debating freo fans who are comparing it to a Harley Bennell situation. I don't know why i've bothered given how hot headed i've felt. Maybe some sense of duty to try and shift the narrative away from the [censored] in one corner of the football world. It's an easy life in here. I bet there are a few demonlanders on bigfooty fighting the good fight. Must be a [censored] show over there. Rant over.

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3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

May is on a reported $900k so not a great difference

Give me May's body language any day of the week.  Dustin Fletcher and SOS would have struggled playing FB for Gold Coast.  I am more bullish on May than Lever to be honest.

As for Hogan, Melbourne supporters have salivated over him for years.  His good is very good, but his bad is bad.  We don't need a sulk playing deep; and we need instant defensive pressure when things aren't going his way.  Hogan will be great for Freo and he will get there.

 

 

 

Freo have played us well.  They have reduced our expectations (and Hogans) on what we should get for him (and what $$ he should be on).  If only Peter Bell was here orchestrating the Lever deal, when we blinked and paid overs; when we actually didn't have to.

 

 

 

 

 

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