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Freo clearly arent serious 

Maybe next yr hey failo?

No know more with this AFL waste land, they are a bunch of #$% holes that can rot down the bottom of the ladder.

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Hmm, I wonder if Hogan might just be thinking to himself 'hey, self, seems like every year there is a top player desperate to leave Fremantle, and they seem like a serious basket case on field, and seems like they routinely stuff prospective players around because their ego wont let them get sensible deals done... maybe Freo aren't going to be the best environment for me to become the best player and person I can be?'

 

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4 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I don’t understand why the AFL media besides Damian Barrett ironically seems to be totally talking down Hogan’s value. He’s easily the best player on the move this trade period. Sam McClure the nuffie thinks wingard is worth more 

Jesse has done amazing things for his age and has massive upside and potential still to be realised. But as a player in the here and now I can understand Wingard being talked up more as he’s a proven performer. 

That said pick 11 and a future second round pick is insulting not only to us but to Jesse. Of course it’s posturing but if you’re playing poker you always have to be careful not to overplay your hand. I feel like they’re in danger of doing that now. 

Pick 5 and 11 is what we should be saying is our final offer and stick to it. I don’t know what people are getting flustered about potentially having him on the list next year. I’m happy for us to hold onto him if needs be and who know Freo’s pathetic dealings might spur his position towards them. 

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Hawks have offered 15 and Ryan Burton (2015 #19, 47 game defender, 2018, 23 games) for Chad Wingard

2 x First Rounders (albeit later) but Burton looks to have improved and is ready made. Port have knocked it back.

Puts Freo's offer for JH in a bit more perspective - not that it was required

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Freo quite happily took pick 2 last year for Lachine Weller, yet won't give at least pick 5 for Hogan?

You'd think the football department would be smart enough to bring this trade up in discussions, along with other trades in the past.

Some clubs want to give up nothing, but get a 5 star meal in return.

Tell em to get stuffed!

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I wonder how Jesse will go playing for us next year. The narrative since he signed the last contract has been "If I was going to leave, that was the time." This has come as a shock to most supporters, if not those inside the club. How is he going to fit into our playing group when everyone knows he's not committed to the club?

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I thought Hogan was constantly be chased by Freo but have offered next to nothing for him. It is like buying champagne with beer money.  Perhaps secretly they are trying to extract revenge for us giving them spud Sylvia. Perhaps they are waiting to get him for zilch in the future. Another scenario is that Jesse is trying to extract more coin out of the Dees !!!!!!

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3 minutes ago, ShaneJ said:

I wonder how Jesse will go playing for us next year. The narrative since he signed the last contract has been "If I was going to leave, that was the time." This has come as a shock to most supporters, if not those inside the club. How is he going to fit into our playing group when everyone knows he's not committed to the club?

If Carlton players can accept and deal with Gibbs being out the door in a year, i'm sure demon players can too. Assuming Hogan goes all in with that final year and pumps his value, it's a win win.

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9 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Hmm, I wonder if Hogan might just be thinking to himself 'hey, self, seems like every year there is a top player desperate to leave Fremantle, and they seem like a serious basket case on field, and seems like they routinely stuff prospective players around because their ego wont let them get sensible deals done... maybe Freo aren't going to be the best environment for me to become the best player and person I can be?'

 

Let me abbreviate what he is thinking...

"mmmmmmmm 1.2m per year"

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4 minutes ago, ShaneJ said:

I wonder how Jesse will go playing for us next year. The narrative since he signed the last contract has been "If I was going to leave, that was the time." This has come as a shock to most supporters, if not those inside the club. How is he going to fit into our playing group when everyone knows he's not committed to the club?

This is why being offered bugga all

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Freo don't even have Pick 5 for the moment, and given how they're approaching negotiations with us, there's a decent chance that the Neale trade won't go through.

In any case, there's no way we'd ever be getting 5 + 11, best we could manage given what's available would be 11 + next year's first - though is there some technical issue which means that Freo can't trade their next year's first round pick?

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6 minutes ago, bing181 said:

 

In any case, there's no way we'd ever be getting 5 + 11, best we could manage given what's available would be 11 + next year's first - though is there some technical issue which means that Freo can't trade their next year's first round pick?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-06/future-trading-given-goahead-but-with-restrictions

Not sure if this has been since updated but it says:

  • Clubs can trade one year in the future only.

    -       Clubs must make at least two first-round selections in each four-year period. If they don't, they will face restrictions from trading any further first-round draft picks.

    -       If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selection from that same draft. But if a club keeps its future first-round selection, it can trade any of its future selections from other rounds.

So by this article i would think trading a third round pick won't affect their ability to trade their first round pick too. Plus we know hawthorn got omera even though they had already traded too may first round picks. So if the AFL will bend the rules for the Hawks then this is still a viable option.

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29 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I don’t understand why the AFL media besides Damian Barrett ironically seems to be totally talking down Hogan’s value. He’s easily the best player on the move this trade period. Sam McClure the nuffie thinks wingard is worth more 

 

Wingard is nothing special, if Port get a 1st round pick for him they'll have done well. I'd rate him similar to Melksham/Hibberd a pick in the 20s is about right.

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1 minute ago, Wunders said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-06/future-trading-given-goahead-but-with-restrictions

Not sure if this has been since updated but it says:

  • Clubs can trade one year in the future only.

    -       Clubs must make at least two first-round selections in each four-year period. If they don't, they will face restrictions from trading any further first-round draft picks.

    -       If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selection from that same draft. But if a club keeps its future first-round selection, it can trade any of its future selections from other rounds.

So by this article i would think trading a third round pick won't affect their ability to trade their first round pick too. Plus we know hawthorn got omera even though they had already traded too may first round picks. So if the AFL will bend the rules for the Hawks then this is still a viable option.

It says if they keep their first they can trade others. If they trade their first, does that effect a trade that's already happened? AFL will make it up on the fly.

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8 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Freo don't even have Pick 5 for the moment, and given how they're approaching negotiations with us, there's a decent chance that the Neale trade won't go through.

In any case, there's no way we'd ever be getting 5 + 11, best we could manage given what's available would be 11 + next year's first - though is there some technical issue which means that Freo can't trade their next year's first round pick?

If the Neale trade fails, then the Hogan trade fails. That’s the way I read it. Unless Freo can find something else to satisfy us with (established player of some sorts) then pick 11 as a starting point will not get the trade done. 

We can and should dig our heels in. 

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let the f...kers trade out neale and then leave them high and dry, while we do a plan c deal with gcs for may and keep hogan

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At least there is movement.

Even though it’s akin to a bowel movement from Freo.

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All the noise aside, it was foolish of Freo to make that offer. 

I understand they don’t have pick 5 yet, however their conduct now looks nakedly stupid for all to see. I still think a deal will be done but this & the reports that they were the source of the rumour about Beams means that every club that sits down with them will see their officials as having the word ‘nuffy’ tattooed on their foreheads.

Some of their fans will cheer their ‘hardball’ tactics but in reality they’ve tarnished their brand and can’t be taken seriously.

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8 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Wingard is nothing special, if Port get a 1st round pick for him they'll have done well. I'd rate him similar to Melksham/Hibberd a pick in the 20s is about right.

Our Melk and Hibbo crap all over him

Selfish, narcissistic, bog ordinary

Not worth a packet of Milk Coffee (worst biscuits ever)

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4 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

let the f...kers trade out neale and then leave them high and dry, while we do a plan c deal with gcs for may and keep hogan

That would be a cunning stunt. 

 

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1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

Alliteration city! :)

There's alotof alliteration going on. How good would some rhetorical questions be right now ?????

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Call their bluff.

If  you don’t have single digit picks, then we’ll take Cerra and Brayshaw ... and maybe we’ll throw in a second round bone.

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