Farewell Jesse Hogan

[djr 1,067]

8 minutes ago, Dirts said:

In Regards to WCE, what can they offer.

Pick 21 and 22.

Maybe take Barass and pick 21.

Good thinking but we could turn pick 6 from Freo into 2 early teens and trade one of them for May and would be better off.

[Smokey 4,118]

Seinfeld predicted this thread many years ago 

[Demonland 64,648]

 

[Pennant St Dee 11,250]

What I know from some what I consider good reliable sources

Meth Coast have always had an eye on Hogan but this current move may have forced their hand a year early 

Fremantle as is well known have constantly been monitoring Hogan

Dees have planned well as I said earlier in the thread the club has been in constant dialogue with Jesse over the season assessing his plans post 2019 as list managers prepare moving forward 

Tom Lynch was considered as part of a plan but we were ruled out early as the Hogan talks continued 

We were Gaffs club of choice but not prepared to pay what he (his manager)was asking. Has that changed after he saw how close he was last week and realised what it actually means to win one, I have no idea

Hogans trip to Perth this week is nothing suspicious it was long planned he and mates are heading to Europe and may include Oktoberfest 

Suns want May out if he is not prepared to commit beyond next season. As they move to restart their culture and despite the bravado will take the best offer available (within reason)

Edited October 4, 2018 by Pennant St Dee

[TRIGON 4,715]

Oktoberfest finishes on the 7th, he better get his skates on!

[dees189227 10,748]

Well I just hope that this doesn't backfire on us and we end up losing Jesse and don't land May. 

By the way we have Oscar, Hibbard,  Frost and will get Lever back so where will May fit? 

I can see why they would want an answer from Hogan because next year it will all be about him and will he won't he re-sign with melbourne but I really don't want him to go because I just fear if something happens to Tom then we have to rely on weiderman. Yes he had a good back half but could he step up and take the lead. 

In saying that I did think at some stage Jesse would go home. I think now we could cope with his loss where as a few years ago it would have felt like the world may have ended. 

[Richard Tionary 145]

7 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

 

We were Gaffs club of choice but not prepared to pay what he (his manager)was asking. Has that changed after he saw how close he was last week and realised what it actually means to win one

 

Also heard this, however I heard part of the reason was the whole Brayshaw incident and Angus' quote in the media after it happened, which was:

"If this has happened at a nightclub or on the streets, it's an assault," Brayshaw told an AFL website podcast on Tuesday.

"You're probably getting jailed for something like this, I would imagine ... I just can't believe honestly that it's happened."

I'm a little skeptical of that being part of/the reason, but just what I heard.

[daisycutter 28,484]

we should only trade if we end up demonstrably better off. best on offer is not acceptable unless it satisfies the former.

if not, we keep hogan, no sweat, and go through it all again next year

[old dee 22,831]

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

we should only trade if we end up demonstrably better off. best on offer is not acceptable unless it satisfies the former.

if not, we keep hogan, no sweat, and go through it all again next year

You have my 100% agreement dc.

we should be saying this is our requirement take it or leave it.

[PaulRB 5,915]

Reality is that Freo need Hogan now, delay, and the Eagles loom as viable alternative. And Freo need this deal more than MFC, we’re now top 4 irrespective and perhaps capable of acquiring May even with Hogan on the books. 

Freo’s Picks 5&6 gets it done, any less and we wait. 

Commentariat proposing less are afraid of how strong we’ve become, and how we only become stronger with two top ten picks to “rebalance” our list.

Edited October 4, 2018 by PaulRB

[beelzebub 22,225]

22 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

we should only trade if we end up demonstrably better off. best on offer is not acceptable unless it satisfies the former.

if not, we keep hogan, no sweat, and go through it all again next year

Well....not really DC. Our leverage is much greater right at the moment. Freo will have much better picks this year than is likely next. Sure we can keep Jesse...but we won't get the same ridiculous offers in 12 m time.

I'd rather have players in 19 that will be there in 20. Let's continue the construct and refinement without hiccups. 

[deebug 1,754]

I just can't get my head around that everyone in the media is saying Jesse isn't worth 2 top ten round picks, if he wants to leave?

 

[Sir Why You Little 34,430]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

Well....not really DC. Our leverage is much greater right at the moment. Freo will have much better picks this year than is likely next. Sure we can keep Jesse...but we won't get the same ridiculous offers in 12 m time.

I'd rather have players in 19 that will be there in 20. Let's continue the construct and refinement without hiccups. 

We could also have a serious Crack at winning a GF in 2019 with JH still at the club. 

Worry about 2020 later. If clubs don’t want to play top dollar, then all deals are off

 

[beelzebub 22,225]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We could also have a serious Crack at winning a GF in 2019 with JH still at the club. 

Worry about 2020 later. If clubs don’t want to play top dollar, then all deals are off

 

I don't share your view. 

[Dee Zephyr 17,399]

4 minutes ago, deebug said:

I just can't get my head around that everyone in the media is saying Jesse isn't worth 2 top ten round picks, if he wants to leave?

 

Ignore them, how else would they try and give away Bertocchis?

[deebug 1,754]

1 minute ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Ignore them, how else would they try and give away Bertocchis?

Trying to but it just p*&@*& me off? 

[DV8 2,271]

12 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I don't know why Freo would refuse to give up pick 4 and 5 on Hogan he is a gun. They were going to pay a lot for McCarthy didn't who is a better player? As for May why would Gold Coast want a player that doesn't want to be there? They don't want another Ablett situation.

Don't worry we've got this. Hogan for May and Max King.

They Freo are trying it on us, because we have form.  Being bent over, has been common for the Mcc, 'err' Mfc, in the past.

We have to show them we will not bend down for anyone, anymore.

 

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[Bay Riffin 1,413]

44 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Well I just hope that this doesn't backfire on us and we end up losing Jesse and don't land May. 

By the way we have Oscar, Hibbard,  Frost and will get Lever back so where will May fit? 

I can see why they would want an answer from Hogan because next year it will all be about him and will he won't he re-sign with melbourne but I really don't want him to go because I just fear if something happens to Tom then we have to rely on weiderman. Yes he had a good back half but could he step up and take the lead. 

In saying that I did think at some stage Jesse would go home. I think now we could cope with his loss where as a few years ago it would have felt like the world may have ended. 

if we get May it will be a case of where will Oscar and Frost fit.

[Gator 16,891]

We have the whip hand and really should drive a hard bargain on Hogan.

We're in the premiership window and if don't get what we need we keep him.  Pick 5 and a future first would also be reasonable.

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 3,925]

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

200 anyone 

I quote this to help towards the effort

[Mondê 525]

10 minutes ago, deebug said:

I just can't get my head around that everyone in the media is saying Jesse isn't worth 2 top ten round picks, if he wants to leave?

 

It's really not that crazy. Recent history tells us we can expect two first rounders but not two top 10 picks in the same draft for Hogan alone.

The Treloar and Lever trades are the most recent examples I would be inclined to use as a precedent - a top 10 pick + a future first rounder and an exchange of later draft selections.

In the event that JH requests a trade there will be elements to a deal that will be completely unpredictable, despite all the speculation in the world from journos and fans alike.

 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,793]

Any leaks and all leaks will come from Freo, as they want this in the public Domain for the commentators to talk down his value.

For some reason they dont want Melbourne recieving picks 5&6 and whatever else come our way.

Edited October 4, 2018 by Win4theAges

[deebug 1,754]

1 minute ago, Win4theAges said:

Any leaks and all leaks will come from Freo, as they want this in the public Domain for the commentators to talk down his value.

For some reason they dont want Melbourne recieving picks 5&6 and whatev

 

3 minutes ago, Mondê said:

It's really not that crazy. Recent history tells us we can expect two first rounders but not two top 10 picks in the same draft for Hogan alone.

The Treloar and Lever trades are the most recent examples I would be inclined to use as a precedent - a top 10 pick + a future first rounder and an exchange of later draft selections.

In the event that JH requests a trade there will be elements to a deal that will be completely unpredictable, despite all the speculation in the world from journos and fans alike.

 

Good point you make, i would love to keep Jesse and somehow give gc a future pick/picks.

 

[Engorged Onion 9,254]

9 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Any leaks and all leaks will come from Freo, as they want this in the public Domain for the commentators to talk down his value.

For some reason they dont want Melbourne recieving picks 5&6 and whatev

Why are folk getting upset about what pundits believe he is worth? They don't set the market...so they can think and postulate about whatever....its all going to be ok, really it is. It's about as relevant as me posting on some forum somewhere in the public domain about what I feel he is worth...it means SFA

ps: he's a 5 and first round next year.

Edited October 4, 2018 by Danelska

[rjay 23,886]

27 minutes ago, deebug said:

I just can't get my head around that everyone in the media is saying Jesse isn't worth 2 top ten round picks, if he wants to leave?

 

As Roos said a few weeks back the media and football industry in general can be like sheep...the whole thing gains momentum and they just tag on and then we get this almost hysteria about it (whatever the issue is)...

Think the Carlton priority pick scenario as a recent example.

The media built it up from maybe to a roar that they must apply and would be certain to bet a priority pick they would be mad not to apply.

The AFL commission knocked it down...for good reason.

...and it all died down.