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Hogan 2018 season over with foot injury

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2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

This hurts, but it's not season ending.  Weideman may get his chance here, or we throw Pedersen forward if Kennedy doesn't play.

We won over there last season without him and we also had Gawn just returning from a long lay off, while they were pretty much full strength at the time.  If we get both Hibberd and Melksham back then it off sets the loss a little and we are still every chance of knocking them off.

Hopefully Hoges can recuperate now and get himself ready for a big tilt in 2019.

My preference is no Pedo

Tommy Mac, with a smaller forward line around him

Look at Bulldogs' win on Sunday - they went smaller, mids started lowering their eyes and smaller forwards dominated

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Just now, jumbo returns said:

My preference is no Pedo

Tommy Mac, with a smaller forward line around him

Look at Bulldogs' win on Sunday - they went smaller, mids started lowering their eyes and smaller forwards dominated

I don't mind that either jumbo, although you would be imploring some of our smaller players to run themselves into the ground to provide the pressure that we need.  T Mac on his own may not be enough though as he will need to give Gawn a chop out.

The one positive is that we now have the opportunity to be a little more unpredictable.  Teams will know we will look for Tom, so we need to lower our eyes and look for others instead.  I'd like to see Fritsch play down there more, especially if Hibberd returns, while Petracca might also be given more time down there as a marking forward.

Either way, while it's a real shame to lose Hogan regardless of the what the negative nellies say, our season is far from done and we have the depth to cover it and still make our push for finals.

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43 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

The curse lives on

Nonsense,except to the extent that these sort of posts are detrimental to our supporters view of the club

 

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Well I reckon we needed to do something different this weekend while we still can. Hopefully this negative inspires a positive change in our forward structure.

Unfortunate for Jesse. I really don’t know though why he played the game out after he complained his foot was very sore after the half time break and was clearly hobbling off the ball.

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43 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

 

I think our big opportunity was on Sunday. Not being able to beat Sydney on the G with Buddy being contained and them being 2 down on the bench was a killer. Can’t see us recovering from there.

I can't see it either. Not right now on this delightful Tuesday afternoon anyway. I'd love to be able to don't get me wrong.

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1 hour ago, MSFebey said:

From memory, we functioned quite well without Hogan last year and we beat WCE over there without him.

We also had Viney playing like an absolute bull.

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We train virtually next door to Collingwood, who have probably the worst injury list in the AFL.

There is no doubt we need to look into and investigate the hardness/density/whatever I don't know enough about soil of the ground in the area where we train.

Impact injuries are unavoidable, but we've had a lot more soft tissue and foot injuries in recent years, which are a serious worry, and injuries which didn't appear to happen in games, but develop outside of matches or following matches or at training. 

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51 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

This has me thinking, bb...I really think it might be

So many players go down with feet problems in the AFL, is it time to think outside the box and be creative about preaseason?

What about two weeks' hard running in the northern hemisphere? Grounds that are safe, but have plenty of give in them?

Then, on return, preseason focus is on structures, skills and playing out scenarios

I think I'm warming to my own idea

Interestingly Kenyan marathon runners don’t get navicular injuries and they run for thousands of kilometers in bare feet.

There is some interesting research around to suggest the more you wear super supportive runners the more likely you are to get foot injuries because the foot no longer has to, or can do what it’s designed for. Also you loose propreoception between the foot and the ground leading to different running style (longer stride length and increased rearfoot strike) (studies of those with rearfoot strike versus forefoot strike report far greater injury rates in rearfoot strikers) when you then put on footy boots and no longer have the full support and cushioning of your runners, the loads in the foot can be through the roof. As the body works in a use it or lose system the runners are in effect weakening the foot muscles and also forcing you to walk differently.

another study looked at injury rates in fitness runners pre and post the inception of the early Nike running shoes. Prior to that Dunlop vollys were the most popular running shoe (and we all know how little support they have). Injury rates went though the roof after the “modern” Nike’s became the norm.

There are many sports dudes now training athletes in other sports in bare feet with great effect. Problem is in footy you have to kick a ball on the soft top part of your foot so some form of footware is necessary for some of the time.

From my own experience I had plantar faciatis for 15 months and did everything the physio told me to do including wearing expensive shoes, ortodics, inserts, heal raisers etc and nothing was helping. At the suggestion of the S+C coach that I employ for my atheletes, I made one change to cheap ($80 versus $200+) Under Armours with bugger all support in them and the problem went away within weeks with no other change to what I was doing.

 

Edit: ignore the change in font size, no idea why that happened.

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Thankfully, it appears to be caught relatively early.

It's not the end of the world.  Rejig and make the forward-line less predictable.  McDonald plus a slew of midsizers in Melksham, Hannan, Fritsch, Petracca, plus ANB, Spargo, etc., or give Weideman his shot.

Our problem isn't getting it forward, so all is not lost.  

This isn't a flag year anyway.  Hopefully Hogan, Lever, and Viney can have injury free years in 2019 as we hopefully start taking the next step.

Hogan hasn't been moving well for weeks and I doubt you suddenly get sore overnight, so it may explain what's been going on. 

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7 minutes ago, —coach— said:

Interestingly Kenyan marathon runners don’t get navicular injuries and they run for thousands of kilometers in bare feet.

There is some interesting research around to suggest the more you wear super supportive runners the more likely you are to get foot injuries because the foot no longer has to, or can do what it’s designed for. Also you loose propreoception between the foot and the ground leading to different running style (longer stride length and increased rearfoot strike) (studies of those with rearfoot strike versus forefoot strike report far greater injury rates in rearfoot strikers) when you then put on footy boots and no longer have the full support and cushioning of your runners, the loads in the foot can be through the roof. As the body works in a use it or lose system the runners are in effect weakening the foot muscles and also forcing you to walk differently.

another study looked at injury rates in fitness runners pre and post the inception of the early Nike running shoes. Prior to that Dunlop vollys were the most popular running shoe (and we all know how little support they have). Injury rates went though the roof after the “modern” Nike’s became the norm.

There are many sports dudes now training athletes in other sports in bare feet with great effect. Problem is in footy you have to kick a ball on the soft top part of your foot so some form of footware is necessary for some of the time.

From my own experience I had plantar faciatis for 15 months and did everything the physio told me to do including wearing expensive shoes, ortodics, inserts, heal raisers etc and nothing was helping. At the suggestion of the S+C coach that I employ for my atheletes, I made one change to cheap ($80 versus $200+) Under Armours with bugger all support in them and the problem went away within weeks with no other change to what I was doing.

 

Edit: ignore the change in font size, no idea why that happened.

Interesting points there mate. 

Maybe todays footwear is to far removed from what the feet are designed to do. 

I hope the club does a serious investigation over summer. Here in Australia and overseas

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Does Jesse's injury mean we will finally stop long bombing the ball inside forward 50?

I bloody hope so, it has been a failed strategy.

Lowering the eyes to ground level may give our smaller forwards a chance to do what they do best.

 

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31 minutes ago, small but forward said:

Well I reckon we needed to do something different this weekend while we still can. Hopefully this negative inspires a positive change in our forward structure.

Unfortunate for Jesse. I really don’t know though why he played the game out after he complained his foot was very sore after the half time break and was clearly hobbling off the ball.

Maybe, because he said it felt a bit better later in the game and he wanted to help us win the game and make the finals for the first time in 12 years and then if needed, have a rest the next week.

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1 hour ago, nosoupforme said:

I will say this to all who have been critical of Jesse Hogan and wanted him traded or out  just incase you forgot his name, You have your wish. Live with it. I hope you feel ashamed with yourselves..

What does this even mean? Because some of us entertained the idea of trading him that we someone willed this injury upon him? Or that we are somehow relishing on a fine young man struck down by injury? 

That's enough internet for you today, champ. 

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It's pretty simple with Hogan and Jack out.

Just get it done.

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19 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Maybe, because he said it felt a bit better later in the game and he wanted to help us win the game and make the finals for the first time in 12 years and then if needed, have a rest the next week.

I’d reckon we’ve got 45 players on the list who are single minded in their desire to win (at least I hope we do). I understand it’s an injury, and that how the player feels has a bearing on whether he plays out the game; but this is Jack Viney 2.0. He’s not just having a rest the next week, he’s continued playing on it (potentially exacerbated the injury) and now won’t play until next year. Hopefully he doesn’t have a Trengove inspired rehab.

My view is the medical team should intervene for foot related issues in much the same way as concussion.

 

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1 hour ago, premiers in my lifetime? said:

do all these (club wide) foot issues share a common match or training boot brand?

Again....or LOCATION !!

Place is notoriously a very HARD surface. They train there MORE than they play anywhere. 

I'm very suspicious of it all now.

It's important we find a new venue or I just see this problem increasing.

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He was terribly out of form and perhaps hampered by this injury for a while it is no great loss for this next week or next.

Put Pedo up front or bring in Weed.

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2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Again....or LOCATION !!

Place is notoriously a very HARD surface. They train there MORE than they play anywhere. 

I'm very suspicious of it all now.

It's important we find a new venue or I just see this problem increasing.

Foot injuries don’t just go away either, Clark, Trengove, AVB and Viney have gone on for years. Let’s hope it’s not the case with Stretch or Hogan too. Something not quite right for sure

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Posted (edited)

Hogan, Viney and Lever  vs Gaff, Naitanui and Kennedy.

Lets call it even, and lets smash them.

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9 minutes ago, DubDee said:

He was terribly out of form and perhaps hampered by this injury for a while it is no great loss for this next week or next.

Put Pedo up front or bring in Weed.

I disagree, although I believe our depth and potential versatility will be able to cover it relatively well.  In terms of our structure and the knock on effect (such as T Mac getting more attention), Hogan is a pretty big loss.  It is an opportunity to be more versatile, flexible and unpredictable in our approach in the forward half, and hopefully we can find a good mix that works.

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1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

My preference is no Pedo

Tommy Mac, with a smaller forward line around him

Look at Bulldogs' win on Sunday - they went smaller, mids started lowering their eyes and smaller forwards dominated

Would be ok if we had some decent small forwards.

We're struggling here and it's one reason our forward efficiency isn't great.

Definitely no Pedo, but I think Weid has to come in to take the 2nd ruck role...

Max has been cooked for a few weeks now and he needs a good rest during the game.

If Tommy was our only key forward he wouldn't be able to give a chop out and I wouldn't like to see Harmes having to do it again.

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Can we agree now that we are cursed tho? 

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