Lyon: Dees in 8 by Default

[loges 6,020]

23 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Well said Gaddy

We have beaten NO ONE

Still bask in collective sanctimonious Bulltish of our own importance and drinking our own bathwater is part but not all of it!

Players

Coaches

Admin

All need to lift!

Its time to make a stand and say what do you really BELIEVE!??

We may have beaten no one and everyone needs to lift, but with the season so close, and every game so important, no one's drinking their own bath water.

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[censored]!

I just liked a DrD post!

What is wrong with me?

[spirit of norm smith 12,886]

Berr

2 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Rubbish. 

Outplayed by a better side.  

Rubbish?! 

Swans were not better. We lost it. 10.18 is a poor output when we dominated without getting the scoreboard results. 

[TGR 1,367]

The cricket analogy is that the MFC under Goody can score 380 off 50 overs; but struggle to block our way to 140 on day 5.  GSmith12 where is he?

 

IMO, we are a top 4 side, that may not even make the 8.  Can happen if you lose a few close ones in a year that is a log-jam.   Percentage doesn't lie.  I50's don't lie.  If we played GC, Saints and Carlton twice, he may have had a slight point.  On the flip-side, Geelong now have 2 sodas at home.  The draw aint fair; and we shouldn't complain about it, but one or two teams will sneak through because of it.

 

As usual Garry is dead wrong.  Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but there was nothing ever wonderful about his coaching selections; even at the time.

 

The AFL needs Melbourne playing finals.  Otherwise, give it to Richmond now.

[layzie 28,690]

2 hours ago, loges said:

We may have beaten no one and everyone needs to lift, but with the season so close, and every game so important, no one's drinking their own bath water.

I’d really like to know who people are talking about when they accuse someone of drinking their own bath water because it always seems to be a faceless person or people. 

[monoccular 16,042]

12 hours ago, dl4e said:

I will say it again. We are a mentally unstable club and have been for  53 bloody years quite a while. Until that changes losses like yesterday will continue. I think this eagles game will be very interesting..

Those of us who are old enough to remember 'the glory days' of the late 50s and early 60s remember tough, uncompromising players and a coach who knew they would win (at least most of the time) for their club, because they were the best and wanted to remain the best.  

The current generations of players, and coaching staff are actually just mercenaries who happen to wear our team colours but who with some exceptions just go through the motions.  Of course they 'would like' to win, but do they feel 'the need' to win for the club and the fan base?

I do not want to hear again this year how 'terribly cut up we all are' at stuffing up again.

Talk is cheap and has been spouted out for decades - I want to see action.

Edited August 13, 2018 by monoccular

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16 hours ago, Soidee said:

I listened to Craig Bellamy after the loss by Storm.  Goody could take a few pointers from Bellamy.  Bellamy after all his success still tells the media after a loss that he thinks the hunger was not there.  Goody just fluffs about.  Tell it how it is Goody!! They either want it or they don’t!

He rolls out the cliches in the deadpan tone with no hurt or anger. No wonder the team play accordingly.

[titan_uranus 22,286]

14 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

To a certain extent I also see it as both a combination lack of composure, but also bad luck.  In that second quarter turn around the Swans kicked about 5 goals straight from some quite difficult shots.  We had players like Trac hit the post at key times.  Against Geelong, Hawkins had a day out where he barely missed, last weekend he was shanking it all over the place.  When you loose a game by 9 points or less, these things count.

In the period of the game where we had the acendancy against Sydney on the weekend, we made them look pretty ordanary around the ground, it was just that guys like Tommy Mac, Jessy Hogan, Clayton Oliver and Charlie Spargo missed and in some cases shanked some very gettable if not give-me shots.  Had we gone into quarter time 30 points up and not 18, then I think would have significantly effected the rest of the tone of the game.  Say they kick 3 goals 2 instead of 5 straight, then we still go into the third quarter 10 points up after them having had a period of accendancy.

It's a fine line and whilst we are one of the most dominant, if not the most dominant team for some of the fundementals like contested ball, then I feel that it's only a matter of time before we crack winning against good teams and the air of confidence and almost arrogant self beleif of the players will follow and transfer into results.

12 hours ago, davo said:

We are missing Hibberd, Melksham, Lever and Viney from our best 22, those guys are critical to the team. We have JKH, Spargo, Pederson and ANB who give us nothing, plus disposal has been atrocious 

I reckon these two points (luck and injuries) are bigger factors than we're letting ourselves believe.

Yes, Collingwood and GWS have longer injury lists than us, but adding in the time TMac missed at the start of the year, we've still had a significant portion of the year with 4-5 of our best 22 not playing, and with the added negative that these players are leaders and hold experience. When we're losing close games, this must be having an effect.

And as to luck, no one on here really wants to talk about it but I think it's a factor too. We're hitting the post dead in front whilst Sydney get a shot from 50m to bounce like a Warne leg break through for a goal, or Hawkins makes every shot he takes, etc.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, these are not the only two things which cause us to be where we are right now (e.g. our injuries wouldn't be so damaging if our depth was better, and half of the luck issue is our own poor skill). But I don't think they're wholly irrelevant, either.

[SFebes 4,692]

Garry on On The Couch last night is clearly seething and angry with the club/team, felt like he held back a bit and is probably embarrassed like most of us.

[Clintosaurus 6,421]

As much as Garry might not like it, we will still be in the 8 AFTER Round 23 if the following 4 happen, even without us winning another game:

- Adelaide beat North

- Collingwood beat Port

- Richmond beat Essendon

- Port lose to Essendon

All eminently possible. Most of what is happening makes the AFL happy as they don't want the 8 decided before Round 23.

Obviously win this week and we are pretty much there.

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14 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Rubbish. 

Outplayed by a better side.  

Respectfully disagree. Lack of composure, deer in headlights, panicky football = no scoreboard pressure.

Allowed Sydney in it.

And then 2 men down?

 

[Watson11 1,882]

2 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I reckon these two points (luck and injuries) are bigger factors than we're letting ourselves believe.

Yes, Collingwood and GWS have longer injury lists than us, but adding in the time TMac missed at the start of the year, we've still had a significant portion of the year with 4-5 of our best 22 not playing, and with the added negative that these players are leaders and hold experience. When we're losing close games, this must be having an effect.

And as to luck, no one on here really wants to talk about it but I think it's a factor too. We're hitting the post dead in front whilst Sydney get a shot from 50m to bounce like a Warne leg break through for a goal, or Hawkins makes every shot he takes, etc.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, these are not the only two things which cause us to be where we are right now (e.g. our injuries wouldn't be so damaging if our depth was better, and half of the luck issue is our own poor skill). But I don't think they're wholly irrelevant, either.

I don't buy the luck side.  Shouldn't be left to a bad bounce etc.  Our problem with our close losses is our own making that we need to fix.  Gary Player summed it up pretty well.

Reportedly the following quote originally came about after a “good old boy with a big hat” stumbled across Gary practicing in a greenside bunker. After seeing Player hole out at his first attempt, the golfer offered him “50 bucks” to do it again. In went the next attempt. “Boy I have never seen anyone so lucky in my life.”

“The harder I practice, the luckier I get.”

 

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31 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

As much as Garry might not like it, we will still be in the 8 AFTER Round 23 if the following 4 happen, even without us winning another game:

- Adelaide beat North

- Collingwood beat Port

- Richmond beat Essendon

- Port lose to Essendon

All eminently possible. Most of what is happening makes the AFL happy as they don't want the 8 decided before Round 23.

Obviously win this week and we are pretty much there.

Wasn't it the AFL coining the meaningless phrase "this final eight mightn't  be decided until the last round between GWS and MFC"

some ten rounds ago and there yu go............... nothing cooked mind you.

 

[Redleg 37,556]

We know what Garry was trying to say, but it was a stupid comment.

ATM we are in the 8 because we have more wins and/or percentage than the teams below us. The same as it has always been.

I didn’t know you shouldn’t play finals if you beat the wrong teams.

[Clintosaurus 6,421]

5 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Some ten rounds ago and there yu go............... nothing cooked mind you.

 

It is sports entertainment after all.

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5 hours ago, Redleg said:

We know what Garry was trying to say, but it was a stupid comment.

ATM we are in the 8 because we have more wins and/or percentage than the teams below us. The same as it has always been.

I didn’t know you shouldn’t play finals if you beat the wrong teams.

Taking the footy ability (i think) out of the equation, what's this guy got that i haven't, to be so successful, and have so much exposure, (code for: loves to be IN CHARGE of footy shows) and fingers in so many pies.........

[TGR 1,367]

I think Geelong were in the 8 by default.  We should have beaten them 3 times this year.  They should have finished 10th.

 

Garry was nearly right.  Just picked the wrong team.

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Garry viewed us in the eight mostly because his mates hadn't put us there.

First and last crack at the past I will have for the next few weeks.

[What 18,810]

Never understood the meltdown after the Swans game.   We outplayed them easily but our goal kicking was way off.  I knew we would beat GWS and West Coast.

And  'being in the 8 by default' is a ridiculous analysis from Lyon, it makes zero sense at all (unless in the extremely rare case like when Essendon got kicked out for doping and the BLues were put in the 8 by default).