Hibberd Ruled Out of Cats Clash with Quad

[spirit of norm smith 12,890]

LEVER

VINEY

HIBBERD

STRETCH

HUNT

the list is starting to grow at the wrong time

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6 hours ago, daisycutter said:

darwin strikes again????

Poor kicking at times, last week, definite injury / weakness combined with limited run even with opportunities. Now a strained quadriceps group, there was a message about playing Darwin that the MFC cannot accept any longer. 

[SFebes 4,692]

Shows the importance of winning games you should (STK) and taking your chances (Geel, Port). Disappointing but we shall see, every side in the 8 or competing are having similar injury woes, it’s quite bizarre except for Richmond 

Edited July 18, 2018 by MSFebey

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3 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

SDisappointing but we shall see, every side in the 8 or competing are having similar injury woes, 

Except for the team we play this Saturday, unfortunately.

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2 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Except for the team we play this Saturday, unfortunately.

Taylor and Menzel were the two I was thinking of. Both in doubt.

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3 hours ago, monoccular said:

Are you serious?

I realise that many here, myself included,  hate the Darwin game for potentially causing fatigue the following week [though interestingly whilst I was concerned that we may have faded out in the third quarter v Doggies it turned out to be one of our best third Qs in a very long time.]

But to say that a Darwin game caused Viney's foot to flare up is bordering on the ridiculous, and the same goes for a quad tear at training (on a very cold day)  nearly two weeks later.  If anything playing in warmer conditions could be better for the soft tissues than playing in the cold and hail and rain like Casey did the previous week, and how the guys have been training.

And doing an ACL, recurrent at that,  a full week after an Alice game in warm but dry conditions - how can one attribute it to the conditions?  NikNat did his knee one week after playing in Perth then flying further than Alice - Melbourne  - BEWARE OF PERTH!

Mono; the fatigue from the Darwin game, can be turned into an advantage to us.

 

IF,  we got the week off after Darwin, in Late July... that is the perfect rest, leading us into the run of games, to the finals.

This can be an advantage to us.

[titan_uranus 22,288]

His kicking hasn't been as good this year but his two-way running, his bursts from the backline, his man-on-man strength and his zoning are impossible to replace with one player.

I suspect we'll play Smith or Wagner in his role but whether it's one of them, or Harmes, or Fritsch, it's a major downgrade and right at the wrong time of the year.

5 hours ago, praha said:

Viney and Hibberd both out shortly after Darwin trip.

Lever injured shortly after Alice.

You simply can't ignore that. Conditioning and fatigue has an affect on the body, you become unintentionally lazy and your body and mind cut corners to battle the physical and mental fatigue.

Get rid of these damn games.

3 hours ago, praha said:

Where did I say it was the cause? I made it clear that it is the catalyst in a chain of events that appear to impact performance and increase the likelihood of injury. There appears to he a consistent theme with leg injuries in the weeks following these games the past 2 seasons. With improved performance comes increased performance. These NT games are a risk now given our standing and push to make finals. Why risk and interrupt our preparation and push into the final weeks of the season with a Darwin game in 100% humidity? Either dump them, or play them in a row leading into the mid-season bye. Having a game there so close to the end of the season is ludicrous.

2 hours ago, praha said:

Further to this:

"We'll have a look at our grounds, we'll have a look at our loads, we'll have a look at all those things that potentially go into those things."

Goodwin had some padding around that comment to soften the blow, but he's clearly talking about NT.

Absolutely medicine/science-free rubbish, @praha.

Do you have any medical or scientific knowledge to link Lever's ACL injury to playing in 22-degree warmth the week prior?

Or Viney's sore toe to playing humidity? Or a quad pulled 1.5 weeks afterwards, in which time Hibberd had played another complete game?

Where Goodwin refers to "look at our grounds", he could quite easily (and IMO much more likely) be referring to the firmness of the turf we train on.

I reckon you've completely lost it with this one.

[picket fence 15,101]

Solution, Bring in big body in Vandeburg play him in bursts in the mid field and play Harmes as sweeping half back in Hibbos role.

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28 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Solution, Bring in big body in Vandeburg play him in bursts in the mid field and play Harmes as sweeping half back in Hibbos role.

Probably hasn't had the game time after a long lay off to be considered 1 to 2 weeks away I say.

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2 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Hannan is 189cm, throw him back there and see what happens. 

I like the idea. Got all the attributes to do well in the position. Now that I think about it, I'm surprised Goodwin hasn't tried it before.

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5 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

I like the idea. Got all the attributes to do well in the position. Now that I think about it, I'm surprised Goodwin hasn't tried it before.

He hasn't had any reason to try it before. Outside of Lever going down, our back six has been relatively settled otherwise. 

Plus I doubt he will take too many risks, such as playing someone in a position they haven't played in before, at this stage of the season. 

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I dont want them to tinker to much with the line up. Tmac doesn't get moved down back. Omac and Frost are the two defensive talls. Vince follows Danger everywhere and Wagner comes in for Pig. Not ideal but you work with what you've got and play your boys where they are best suited. On the smaller ground I'm not against Tyson coming in for Hannan

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54 minutes ago, Dirts said:

 

Japan yesterday 

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Play Fritter down back he is very skilled and easily replaces Hibbo

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16 hours ago, monoccular said:

As an agnostic I don't believe in gods, or didn't but maybe I will change and believe that there is a god, and not a particularly nice one

It's not these he's not nice it's just that he barracks for Hawthorn

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14 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Viney said his toe was sore before the Freo game but wanted to see how he pulled up afterwards....

Is he a moron?

Is Hibberds a tear or strain? Tear season over, strain I still think we can win this week. It will come down to our midfield and effectiveness of our forward line.

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12 hours ago, Pipefitter said:

There are star players dropping like flies at all clubs. If we are good enough we will cover 

Thanks Capt Obvious 

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43 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Is he a moron?

Is Hibberds a tear or strain? Tear season over, strain I still think we can win this week. It will come down to our midfield and effectiveness of our forward line.

Sounds like it......one of the problems having a young captain that they feel pressured to play...

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49 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Is he a moron?

Is Hibberds a tear or strain? Tear season over, strain I still think we can win this week. It will come down to our midfield and effectiveness of our forward line.

How does the severity of Hibberd's injury affect our chances of winning this week? He's not playing either way.

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I think Wagner has to be the man. Plays a similar role and it would be a plug and play move so our structure isn't unsettled, which I think has been the reason for some of our poor results.

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11 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

I think Wagner has to be the man. Plays a similar role and it would be a plug and play move so our structure isn't unsettled, which I think has been the reason for some of our poor results.

Yup this. Hibberd is so important with his use of the ball rebounding out of the backline. It will be Wagner to replace him who when playing with confidence can really use the ball well. I thought he was unlucky earlier in the year to be dropped. He showed real improvement with his contested work, tackling and competing in the air. 

He's still no where near the player that Hibbo is but he is certainly the best replacement to keep somewhat of the team structures down back and not unsettle things too much.

Edited July 18, 2018 by Yung Blood

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3 minutes ago, Yung Blood said:

Yup this. Hibberd is so important with his use of the ball rebounding out of the backline. It will be Wagner to replace him who when playing with confidence can really use the ball well. I thought he was unlucky earlier in the year to be dropped. He showed real improvement with his contested work, tackling and competing in the air. 

He's still no where near the player that Hibbo is but he is certainly the best replacement to keep somewhat of the team structures down back and not unsettle things too much.

It's also a huge chance for Wagner to prove that he has the ability to be a positive contributor at AFL level for us.  To me, he's only shown glimpses of that potential in the senior side, but he may get up to a month's worth of games to prove his worth to the side going forward.  Guys like Lewis and Vince won't be around forever, so he has an opportunity right now to take his chance and run with it.

If he's selected tonight then I'll be hoping that he takes the bull by the horns and helps us roll those handbaggers on Saturday night!

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1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

It's also a huge chance for Wagner to prove that he has the ability to be a positive contributor at AFL level for us.  To me, he's only shown glimpses of that potential in the senior side, but he may get up to a month's worth of games to prove his worth to the side going forward.  Guys like Lewis and Vince won't be around forever, so he has an opportunity right now to take his chance and run with it.

If he's selected tonight then I'll be hoping that he takes the bull by the horns and helps us roll those handbaggers on Saturday night!

My thoughts exactly. I think he's got himself in the perfect position to make a real impact at AFL level this season and prove himself. Also is currently is best place to replace Vince/Lewis in near future with very similar attributes.

Hope he gets selected tonight and really proves himself.

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13 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Why do we need 3 tall defenders?  The two McDonalds and Frost is far too tall for their forward line.

Plus there is no chance we play T Mac down back.  Far too valuable as a forward for us now.

I don’t know what the percentages would be but his time in the defensive half seems to have increased in recent weeks. Point taken on the three talls but T Mac’s ability to intercept and read the play is where his value lies. He’s also an actual defender. Fritzel is probably our best kick but a defender he ain’t.

I know it’s a bit of a break glass in case of emergency situation but look at the names being thrown up as replacements. Wagner? Yikes. 

This one will test the coaches. We don’t have have a few weeks to test out different players ala replacing Lever. Every week matters.

Edited July 18, 2018 by P-man