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Viney MUST be sole captain 2019

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I was watching Jones today plod between halfback to halfforward on the far side of the play with no intent for all day while Swans players ran past him in both directions.

Never once saw him sprint to a contest when we needed him to.

Has he gone into self preservation mode to try pro-long his career?

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I love Jack, but apparently he needs to change his running style or he will never get on the park for any length of time.

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5 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

I still haven't changed my mind either. Viney is a good footballer, but not a rounded leader. He leads from the front like Jones, but you never see him barking orders and organising players like a Hodge or Selwood or Cotchin does. 

Neither Viney or Jones should be captain going forward. It should be someone like Lever, TMac or Brayshaw.

Brayshaw I wouldn’t burden, Lever coming back from acl. Tmac I would be ok with, but I doubt they would strip both of the captaincy

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6 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

I still haven't changed my mind either. Viney is a good footballer, but not a rounded leader. He leads from the front like Jones, but you never see him barking orders and organising players like a Hodge or Selwood or Cotchin does. 

Neither Viney or Jones should be captain going forward. It should be someone like Lever, TMac or Brayshaw.

Not yet anyway.  You constantly see him talking to team mates on the bench though.

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Nevermind the captaincy.
This should be Jones last season.
He's cooked.

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4 minutes ago, grazman said:

Not yet anyway.  You constantly see him talking to team mates on the bench though.

Then make him a bench coach. He can coach all game long.

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Just now, Fork 'em said:

Nevermind the captaincy.
This should be Jones last season.
He's cooked.

Love Nathan to bits . . . but sometimes the end comes incredibly quickly. 

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Massive fan of Jonesy, and I think a lot of talk about his week-by-week performances is myopic and pre-conceived. . His work rate remains fairly high and often "directs traffic". 

For me, his influence during peak game times is very very poor right now and doesn't look like it is coming back. That miss from just inside 50 was out-on-the-full. Nowhere near it. And as someone wrote above, as the Dees built momentum in the last quarter, he was doing a lot of running between the arcs and rarely impacting the contest.

And his field kicking is as bad as it was in his first 2 seasons, which was abominable.

I hate to say it, but Viney in 2019 is looking better every week. 

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17 minutes ago, grazman said:

I love Jack, but apparently he needs to change his running style or he will never get on the park for any length of time.

That has been my concern all along...

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And if Viney's foot continues to play up, who's our captain then? 

Honestly, you could throw a blanket over all of our leaders and it would be empty.

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Haven’t agreed with this sentiment until today. Has gone missing in every big clash at the G this year and it filters down. I’m so so so dissaponted. Doesn’t change how much he has done for the club though and we will all forever be in debted to his loyalty and perseverance. 

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Jones and a number of others had no desire to run hard to maintain, obtain or even pressure opposition players with the ball. The coaches will tell us they tried hard...………………….I have a different view. All week I said we would start slow then kick a few last qtr goals to show we tried a little bit. Guess what...….We were like a peak hour train to Box Hill, Full of passengers enjoying the ride!

 

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Nathan Jones still plays good football.Still a leader.Do you critics go to games?!

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I think we need a freshen up and change in leadership. Jones has never been a good onfield leader and has ALWAYS gone missing in big games.

Gawn (C)

Lever (VC)

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24 minutes ago, Dingo said:

Nathan Jones still plays good football.Still a leader.Do you critics go to games?!

Dude he was [censored] today. 

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23 minutes ago, Dingo said:

Nathan Jones still plays good football.Still a leader.Do you critics go to games?!

No. We sit in a cupboard with the lights off with our fingers in our ears picking a specific club legend to harbour a grudge against? Making unbiased observations is paramount. Try it. 

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I really don't know what to do about Jones. I personally think the end is coming fast because I can't see him adapting to a retirement position (ie HBF). I didn't think it was this year,  I'm starting to wonder. 

 

Pros 

Still averaging 25.5 disposals, 3 clearances, 4 tackles, 4 i50s, in 2018.

We don't exactly have depth modifiers pushing him out right now. 

Adds "seniority" to the captaincy, which we need (Viney is injured and impetuous).

Loyal servant who deserves to retire on his terms.

 

Cons

Averaging 5 turnovers (20% of disposals) and only going at 68% DE (first time he has ever dropped below 70% in a season).

On a clear decline in terms of statistical output, with this being the least disposals per game since 2015.

Struggling for pace, and struggling to make contests or tackles. 

Isn't impacting games like he has.

I'm not sure he has a natural "retirement" position ie to the HBF.

Will be keeping Tyson out of the side if Viney comes back, but only for another year or so (Tyson may leave as a result).

We don't have an immediate clear cut captain replacement ready. 

Has always been a reluctant leader anyway. 

 

 

 

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Absolutely incapable of leading us to a win. I cannot remember a single time i have seen this bloke do something special to help us win when we were a lost cause.

For years i have been a defender. Not any more. Yes, he has been a good player. Thats not enough when we want premierships.

Footsoldiers should never be considered leaders. They are nothing of the sort.

Today he was rank. Insipid. Terrible.

Resign Jonesy. You are not a leader.

 

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Viney as sole captain?

Good god no! Needs a big ego check in the off season.

If we want to go down the sole captaincy then give it to Gawn.

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Lever will join Viney as captain in about two years time...

His leadership is so underestimated 

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I thought Jones was very good today, showed strong leadership!

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Jones was absolutely deplorable today. His disposal was atrocious ad we all know his leadership in the tough minutes of a game is non existent. He simply goes missing and doesn't stand up. I love the bloke but as a leader, he isn't where a lot of other captains in the afl are. I'd give the captaincy to Gawn. Not Viney..he will be lucky to play again. 

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